Props to the UGDetective and synergymuscle for testing the UG labs.

[Mavy]

somehow i missed this thread ..anyway good work mavy for bringing this discussion to elite..yes UGdetective has taken a lot of heat for some of the outcomes as some have accused him of of having a hidden agenda..i think the idea is good to have this gear tested but unfortunately when tests dont come back as expected everyone will be up in arms..regarding a few of the tests with AMD..i used his var and made gains so i dont see how it could have tested out at 2.5 mg instead of 25!! also i think people should go and register to see the tests because a few of the labs like QGL and Zencall are top notch and only fell short by a few mg's..doesnt make it right that its underdosed but i aside from HG gear those 2 are at the top of my list for UG..

If nothing else, I think people should realize which labs really care about their product and customer satisfaction. You can tell just by how some labs react to the testing which ones seem really concerned ... and more importantly the ones who look into what may have went wrong, instead of attacking the testers first off.

I think what we're finding out is that the techniques we use to cook up this gear at home aren't as accurate as most people may think. Even if the math is correct, there are other variables, the filtering process could effect the final concentration depending on how completely the powder is dissolved, from what I understand. Again ... this is what will make certain labs shine through, the ones that know all the tricks of the trade there is to know. I agree with what someone posted on a thread I read over at VIP the other day. They said that they garantee that almost 90% of the UG labs out there, should not actually be making gear. There is about 10% that really know what they are doing. So .. ya, its a matter of determining which ones are a step above the rest.

I think that the labs with the "holier than thou" attitude need to check their egos and take another look at their products. So far only I think that there are only a few of the labs that have taken these tests into consideration and actually wanted to look into the problem. To me, that speaks volumes.

I have read that there are going to be a few more tests released soon, and that some are going to stir the hornetts nest again pretty big time. lol. More drama, the meso crew will likely have some good cries over it. I am sure that synergy are not doing this to make friends! lol. I have also read that they will be testing a bunch of human grade gear as well very soon, to see how things compare, just to give people an idea of what they should expect for a tolerance. Should be very interesting. Props to them again. Looking forward to seeing some more tests. I would love to see some BD tested, and some ICNs for human grade. Or the BM gear.

Cheers,
Mavy

 

[wnt2bBeast]

If nothing else, I think people should realize which labs really care about their product and customer satisfaction. You can tell just by how some labs react to the testing which ones seem really concerned ... and more importantly the ones who look into what may have went wrong, instead of attacking the testers first off.

I think what we're finding out is that the techniques we use to cook up this gear at home aren't as accurate as most people may think. Even if the math is correct, there are other variables, the filtering process could effect the final concentration depending on how completely the powder is dissolved, from what I understand. Again ... this is what will make certain labs shine through, the ones that know all the tricks of the trade there is to know. I agree with what someone posted on a thread I read over at VIP the other day. They said that they garantee that almost 90% of the UG labs out there, should not actually be making gear. There is about 10% that really know what they are doing. So .. ya, its a matter of determining which ones are a step above the rest.

I think that the labs with the "holier than thou" attitude need to check their egos and take another look at their products. So far only I think that there are only a few of the labs that have taken these tests into consideration and actually wanted to look into the problem. To me, that speaks volumes.

I have read that there are going to be a few more tests released soon, and that some are going to stir the hornetts nest again pretty big time. lol. More drama, the meso crew will likely have some good cries over it. I am sure that synergy are not doing this to make friends! lol. I have also read that they will be testing a bunch of human grade gear as well very soon, to see how things compare, just to give people an idea of what they should expect for a tolerance. Should be very interesting. Props to them again. Looking forward to seeing some more tests. I would love to see some BD tested, and some ICNs for human grade. Or the BM gear.

Cheers,
Mavy

im sitting on lots of icn's for the fall/winter i wouldnt mind seeing a test

 

[Lestat]

can someone post the CL results here?

 

[georgie24]

i give that site an "ok" but i wouldnt sit here and say that there the authority of results finder's being posted. just use your own witts when buying ug.

 

[Mavy]

I don't quite get what your saying there georgie? Use your witts? What do you mean .. like use your gut instinct? Becuase someone is a good guy, or seems like a very stand up guy does not mean that their product will be top notch. Not at all. THere are a lot of nice, but stupid people out there. User feedback is a good one, and can only go so far. If someone says that they are doing awesome with a certain labs enanthate, yet they are taking russian dbol, and yellow tops with it, that dosent tell me that its dosed correctly. In this case, a lab test is what speaks the truth. If you want to tell me that a person can actually "feel" the differnce between 350mg of test and 400mg, well then that would be pretty impressive. There are just way to many variables to really tell if something is underdosed, unless it is VERY underdosed, thats where lab tests speak the truth.

I am not saying take these tests as the law to deciding upon which lab to use, what I am saying is that these guys are giving us more data than we had in the first place to further help us make these decisions. And also to make some labs re-evaluate their gear making processes. As I mentioned above, even when numbers work out right, I think that there is a little more to it than that, which some labs know about, and perhaps some dont. Always do your own research before deciding who you are going to use. These tests, merely give you some added help when doing your research to choose a lab.

Mavy

 

[Lestat]

can someone post the CL results here?

 

[georgie24]

they tested out 11mg per serving lestat. (10mg anavar)

 

[Mavy]

Right ... and dont forget to mention that the Couture 400mg/ml EQ back almost 100mg underdosed! 311mg/ml.

Again its much easier to dose capsules than it is to brew injectible steroids. Basically when people mess up tab dosing ... there is not much hope for them with injectibles.

 

[georgie24]

minimize risk and research guys!

 

[xsnrg]

Thanks Mavy for bringing this site to my attention.It can only be a good thing for the industry.Now if I was an UG lab,id test the powders to see the purity then after making a batch I would get the final batch test for mg/ml.It would only add $200usd to the end cost and factor that out over ......say 1000ml batch would work out to an added cost of 0.2/ml.