Prohormones: The Real Deal

[MIKERAZ]

19-nor-5-androstenediol was methylated, and came out 7 times more anabolic than MT, and 1-Test was methylated to be 16 times more anabolic, by the best oral assay, than MT.

- Bill

Got a problem with that statement. First off 5-ad isnt a potent steroid. Second Methyl-5ad is Methandriol and Methandriol has little to no anabolic properties. Third off it aromatises very very easily and not very anabolic and isnt 7 times more potent.

And to answer the original question besides for `1-t,5ad,4ad no other Pro-Hormones have been methylatyed, i gess the pharm companies learned there lesson after methylating the first to Pro-Hormones , and that lesson is not to waste time on presecuers that arent potent.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Got a problem with that statement. First off 5-ad isnt a potent steroid. Second Methyl-5ad is Methandriol and Methandriol has little to no anabolic properties.

The only direct comparison of methandriol to testosterone in Vida has it as 18% as anabolic and about 30-40% as androgenic. This is a completely different steroid than the 19-nor counterpart Mikeraz.

Third off it aromatises very very easily and not very anabolic and isnt 7 times more potent.

Methandriol does not aromatize.

And to answer the original question besides for `1-t,5ad,4ad no other Pro-Hormones have been methylatyed, i gess the pharm companies learned there lesson after methylating the first to Pro-Hormones , and that lesson is not to waste time on presecuers that arent potent.

The pharm companies and researchers never looked at these as prohormones, only as other steroids. And 1-test is not a prohormone to anything except inactive and less active metabolites. Stop pretending that you grasp what is going on here.

 

[MIKERAZ]

I have never heard or seen ANYBODY get gains off methandriol so it cant be much more potent then test because people explode on test.

And many people get gyno from methandriol and anti e's wont help

And they are Pro-Hormones

 

[1fast400]

"I have never heard or seen ANYBODY get gains off methandriol so it cant be much more potent then test

Because you haven't seen it makes it scientific fact?

 

[notpuff]

I have never heard or seen ANYBODY get gains off methandriol so it cant be much more potent then test because people explode on test.

And many people get gyno from methandriol and anti e's wont help

And they are Pro-Hormones

So i guess test is a pro-hormoen to DHT then huh?

 

[1fast400]

I haven't seen you hump a guy, but that doesn't mean your not gay.

 

[MIKERAZ]

I haven't seen you hump a guy, but that doesn't mean your not gay.

You actually never seen me at all so thats a dumb comment.

And notpuff of all the dumb posts from you that takes the cake!.Test is not in anyway a Pro-hormone in anyway!!!! The molecules are diffrent, There actiosn are diffrent .

 

[1fast400]

My comment was made in the same manner yours was. Your logic....well there is no logic to it. In a formalized debate you would be torn apart as you have been here. If I had seen you in real life, the comment would still be the same. I have people tell me they see gains off creatine serum, does that mean creatine serum is a good product? Your "sample size" isn't large enough to make such a encompassing statement.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

it cant be much more potent then test because people explode on test.

Hence the 18%

And many people get gyno from methandriol and anti e's wont help

Aromatase inhibitors do not help because it is intrinsically estrogenic.

And they are Pro-Hormones

All of the diols are also active steroids, regardless of whethor or not they convert to anything else. Furthermore 1-test is not a diol, but one of the most potent natural steroids ever isolated. It is not a prohormone to anything.

You are clueless, and stuck on a term rarely used outside of supplement advertising. These all classify as steroids.

 

[MIKERAZ]

O you mean 18 as anabolic not more anabolic. i thought you meant 18 percent more . That makes sense , so 1-test is 7 percent as also and methyl-19nor-5-ad is also 7 times AS potent.

Ok now it makes sense, but methyl-19nor-5-ad also would have intrinsic estrogen ability