Prohormones are steroids

[Bill Llewellyn]

There still seems to be a lot of confusion around here. For those just getting interested in the subject, those products presently sold in the grey market as "prohormones" are actually full blown synthetic designer steroids. There is nothing that makes Superdrol or Halodrol or Pheraplex any different than stanozolol, dianabol, or oxymetholone etc except the fact that some drug company took the time and money to get these steroids approved by the FDA.

These are all potent synthetic steroids.

Discuss.

 

[SouthernLord]

Bill which of the DS\prohormones would you consider to be the best overal in terms of size, strength, and mildest sides?

 

[WhistleBritches]

Your Attractive when your mad Bill

 

[dabuffguy]

Absolutely. Pro hormones are steroids. If you have access to a safe reliable place to get the real shit, just use the real deal. the illegal aas are known drugs with most of them having heavy studies, like oxandrolone, oxymetholone, mathandienone, to name a few. Oh, and they work much better

 

[Big_BK]

Just a loophole in the law being taken advantage of IMO. There was a similar thing back in the 90's that i read about where they came out with all these checmicals similar to MDMA called 2-cb, 2-ci, insert letter after 2-c here, etc. All of which were legal for quite some time and probably as dangerous if not more dangerous then MDMA but because the way the laws were they were completely legal to take. I think alot of people should realize just because something is not legal in the united states does not mean it is bad or there are better legal alternatives, money is a powerful thing.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Bill which of the DS\prohormones would you consider to be the best overal in terms of size, strength, and mildest sides?

I really can't say as I have no first hand experience with most of them.

 

[nateo1979]

There still seems to be a lot of confusion around here. For those just getting interested in the subject, those products presently sold in the grey market as "prohormones" are actually full blown synthetic designer steroids. There is nothing that makes Superdrol or Halodrol or Pheraplex any different than stanozolol, dianabol, or oxymetholone etc except the fact that some drug company took the time and money to get these steroids approved by the FDA.

These are all potent synthetic steroids.

Discuss.

Bill can you compare these hormones (Superdrol, Halodrol, Pheraplex, Tren) to the prohormones like androstenedione or norandrostenedione. Prior to the 2004 ban I took the andros and the nors and thought the sucked. The only prohormone I took that worked was Tiratricol. The supplement companies were marketing it was a thyroid prohormone. It shredded me up.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Bill can you compare these hormones (Superdrol, Halodrol, Pheraplex, Tren) to the prohormones like androstenedione or norandrostenedione. Prior to the 2004 ban I took the andros and the nors and thought the sucked. The only prohormone I took that worked was Tiratricol. The supplement companies were marketing it was a thyroid prohormone. It shredded me up.

No, you really can't. These early compounds could be converted to steroids by the body, but the delivery was very inefficient. The new products are c-17 alpha alkylated and intrinsically active anabolic steroids. Nelson's firecracker to dynamite analogy would apply here.

 

[nateo1979]

No, you really can't. These early compounds could be converted to steroids by the body, but the delivery was very inefficient. The new products are c-17 alpha alkylated and intrinsically active anabolic steroids. Nelson's firecracker to dynamite analogy would apply here.

If they (supplement companies) would have c-17 alpha alkylated the androstenediones and nors would they then have been as strong as superdrol, halodrol, etc.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

I remember in around 98 when they really started going mainstream with prohormones. I ordered some from the US and they arrived 2 weeks later. I was super happy and couldn't wait to begin my cycle. It was something like 5 andro what ever and 19 nor andro what ever - that was like 10 years ago. Anyway I got more acne off that crap than I do off test and winny combined.

Never gone back!

 

[AAP]

Prohormones are simply roids that never made it through the trials.

Either because of sides, or because something else similar was already approved or because of lack of funding/interest. Basically they are roids that got dropped to the wayside back when.

 

[nateo1979]

I remember in around 98 when they really started going mainstream with prohormones. I ordered some from the US and they arrived 2 weeks later. I was super happy and couldn't wait to begin my cycle. It was something like 5 andro what ever and 19 nor andro what ever - that was like 10 years ago. Anyway I got more acne off that crap than I do off test and winny combined.

Never gone back!

Blast in the past OSMO Androstene

 

[Nelson Montana]

Prohormones are simply roids that never made it through the trials.

Either because of sides, or because something else similar was already approved or because of lack of funding/interest. Basically they are roids that got dropped to the wayside back when.

That is true. And let's not make the FDA and the AMA to be total idiots. There's usually a reason why drugs don't get passed and leaving it up to companies who don't have to answer to any regulations is not my idea of being safe or smart.

 

[FRONT2BACKJACKED]

BILL I thought compounds such as halodrol were NOT active in their present compound but had to CONVERT to TURANABOL was it for instance to become potent and active

please elaborate

did this answer it?

No, you really can't. These early compounds could be converted to steroids by the body, but the delivery was very inefficient. The new products are c-17 alpha alkylated and intrinsically active anabolic steroids. Nelson's firecracker to dynamite analogy would apply here.

thanks so much!


methylmasteron is more powerful than any FDA documented c17aa anabolic or androgen IMO

 

[Just Add Muscle]

BILL I thought compounds such as halodrol were NOT active in their present compound but had to CONVERT to TURANABOL was it for instance to become potent and active

please elaborate

thanks so much!


methylmasteron is more powerful than any FDA documented c17aa anabolic or androgen IMO

Ive been trying to say this for months now.Hands down superdrol is stronger than any illegal shit out there.

 

[FRONT2BACKJACKED]

Ive been trying to say this for months now.Hands down superdrol is stronger than any illegal shit out there.

NO DOUBT

superdrol i have ran about 10x

i have ran every c17aa oral (except UGL primo tabs) including nilevar and methylated bold, test, and deca, NOTHING compared, not even anadro/dboll in terms of obtainable muscle to mass/str gain ratio..

i have tried halodrol, pheraplex, and epistane

i ran the original and a clone that I wont name

epistane is another unreal steroid. i might venture to bump the recommended dose though as it is not TOO powerful. careful, it dries out your joints, a company now makes it combined with 750mg cissius i believe. its effects are similiar to that of anavar in terms of muscle gains imo

so put it this way, if i could live off one steroid and one steroid only it would probably be METHASTERON AKA METHYLMASTERON
f2

 

[P4D2A022]

NO DOUBT

superdrol i have ran about 10x

i have ran every c17aa oral (except UGL primo tabs) including nilevar and methylated bold, test, and deca, NOTHING compared, not even anadro/dboll in terms of obtainable muscle to mass/str gain ratio..

i have tried halodrol, pheraplex, and epistane

i ran the original and a clone that I wont name

epistane is another unreal steroid. i might venture to bump the recommended dose though as it is not TOO powerful. careful, it dries out your joints, a company now makes it combined with 750mg cissius i believe. its effects are similiar to that of anavar in terms of muscle gains imo

so put it this way, if i could live off one steroid and one steroid only it would probably be METHASTERON AKA METHYLMASTERON
f2

interesting post bro! and what did you run the epistane at that you were talking about? so sd is mg-per-mg the strongest?

 

[miplank]

alot of good info....keep it coming guys

 

[Just Add Muscle]

interesting post bro! and what did you run the epistane at that you were talking about? so sd is mg-per-mg the strongest?

Depends on what you want if you want dry gains its one of the best.For wet gains Phera Plex.For middle of the road gains with low sides Havoc.For modest gains and a lot of strength Cyclotren.

 

[FRONT2BACKJACKED]

Depends on what you want if you want dry gains its one of the best.For wet gains Phera Plex.For middle of the road gains with low sides Havoc.For modest gains and a lot of strength Cyclotren.

SD rules imo

PP was cool very wet gains like test

EPISTANE sucked go with RPN havoc

i am yet to try cyclotren!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! shucks!

 

[Just Add Muscle]

SD rules imo

PP was cool very wet gains like test

EPISTANE sucked go with RPN havoc

i am yet to try cyclotren!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! shucks!

The Rockhard formulations Methylfreak product,witch is the same hormone as Havoc seems to bee having huge success at the moment with our customers here in miami.

 

[FRONT2BACKJACKED]

The Rockhard formulations Methylfreak product,witch is the same hormone as Havoc seems to bee having huge success at the moment with our customers here in miami.

how does it compare pricewise

im all about being economical

i buy them in bulk

most of these cap companies are using vegetable oil caps im guessing?

 

[1500]

I would love for my body to react to these PH's as well as some of you guys are stating. Comparable to anadrol? d-bol? I wish.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Prohormones are simply roids that never made it through the trials.

Either because of sides, or because something else similar was already approved or because of lack of funding/interest. Basically they are roids that got dropped to the wayside back when.

I agree with this.

 

[the_alcatraz]

There still seems to be a lot of confusion around here. For those just getting interested in the subject, those products presently sold in the grey market as "prohormones" are actually full blown synthetic designer steroids. There is nothing that makes Superdrol or Halodrol or Pheraplex any different than stanozolol, dianabol, or oxymetholone etc except the fact that some drug company took the time and money to get these steroids approved by the FDA.

These are all potent synthetic steroids.

Discuss.

Bill, there is the understanding that while pro-hormones are steroids, they are not as potent or as "powerful" as AAS. Is this true?

 

[Just Add Muscle]

I would love for my body to react to these PH's as well as some of you guys are stating. Comparable to anadrol? d-bol? I wish.

Have you ever taken Pheraplex or Superdrol?

 

[P4D2A022]

Bill, there is the understanding that while pro-hormones are steroids, they are not as potent or as "powerful" as AAS. Is this true?

BUMP

 

[Just Add Muscle]

I can guarantee I can get as good if not better results from a bottle of Pheravol-v or P-plex as any one can get from a bottle of dbol.With out the legal drama and the worries.It all depends on what you want to achieve.if you want dry hard Muscle,Rockhard formulations Methylfreak or RPN Havoc will give you easy 8-12 lbs of clean muscle and plenty of strength.Any Superdrol clone will give you that or a little more with insane strength and vascularity but more sides.pheravol or P-plex will give you even more gains than possibly all of them with a good percentage being water.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Bill, there is the understanding that while pro-hormones are steroids, they are not as potent or as "powerful" as AAS. Is this true?

Absolutely not. Some of these synthetics are exceedingly potent mg for mg, more so than most prescribed orals. They tend to not aromatize though, so are not the most ideal bulking agents to use alone. They tend to behave more like anavar or winstrol than testosterone.

Remember though guys, these are potent orals and also present significant cardiovascular strain, especially as the # of cycles escalates.

 

[Just Add Muscle]

Absolutely not. Some of these synthetics are exceedingly potent mg for mg, more so than most prescribed orals. They tend to not aromatize though, so are not the most ideal bulking agents to use alone. They tend to behave more like anavar or winstrol than testosterone.

Remember though guys, these are potent orals and also present significant cardiovascular strain, especially as the # of cycles escalates.

One of the only ones that seems to aromatize is the P-plex compound witch gives big water gains.This is the active ingredient:17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol – 15 mg

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

One of the only ones that seems to aromatize is the P-plex compound witch gives big water gains.This is the active ingredient:17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol – 15 mg

It is chemically not possible for that compound to aromatize. Its A-ring will not allow for this without significant reorganization first, which does not seem likely to occur in the body. It may have inherent estrogenic or progestational activity though.

 

[Just Add Muscle]

It is chemically not possible for that compound to aromatize. Its A-ring will not allow for this without significant reorganization first, which does not seem likely to occur in the body. It may have inherent estrogenic or progestational activity though.

Something causes it to retain water though.I have ran it by itself and every one seems to retain water from it similar to the wet sloppy gains from Methandrostenolone.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Something causes it to retain water though.I have ran it by itself and every one seems to retain water from it similar to the wet sloppy gains from Methandrostenolone.

If a compound has inherent estrogenic or progestational activity, it could do this without physcially converting (aromatiizing) to estrogen.

Anadrol is another example of this (estrogenic without aromatizing).

 

[Just Add Muscle]

If a compound has inherent estrogenic or progestational activity, it could do this without physcially converting (aromatiizing) to estrogen.

Anadrol is another example of this (estrogenic without aromatizing).

Awesome knowledge,thank you for clarifying this for me Bill.

 

[nateo1979]

If a compound has inherent estrogenic or progestational activity, it could do this without physcially converting (aromatiizing) to estrogen.

Anadrol is another example of this (estrogenic without aromatizing).

Bill If androstenedione and the nors would have been methylated (C-17) would they have been just as effective as superdrol, halodrol, p-plex, etc.?

 

[1500]

Have you ever taken Pheraplex or Superdrol?

yep! p-plex, epistane, superdrol and most recently cyclo tren (its the worst so far for burning up my nips) dont know why.

 

[dabuffguy]

I would love for my body to react to these PH's as well as some of you guys are stating. Comparable to anadrol? d-bol? I wish.

I'm gonna have to agree with this. I'm on cyclotren and RPN Havoc right now, and my strength and mass gains aren't half what var or tbol did for me. Still, I am satisfied with the results I am getting. Very satisfied.

 

[wrestlemania100]

I can guarantee I can get as good if not better results from a bottle of Pheravol-v or P-plex as any one can get from a bottle of dbol.With out the legal drama and the worries.It all depends on what you want to achieve.if you want dry hard Muscle,Rockhard formulations Methylfreak or RPN Havoc will give you easy 8-12 lbs of clean muscle and plenty of strength.Any Superdrol clone will give you that or a little more with insane strength and vascularity but more sides.pheravol or P-plex will give you even more gains than possibly all of them with a good percentage being water.

so what pro hormone would u reccomend in terms of dry gains?

 

[the_alcatraz]

Absolutely not. Some of these synthetics are exceedingly potent mg for mg, more so than most prescribed orals. They tend to not aromatize though, so are not the most ideal bulking agents to use alone. They tend to behave more like anavar or winstrol than testosterone.

Remember though guys, these are potent orals and also present significant cardiovascular strain, especially as the # of cycles escalates.

Thanks for the info bro. Your views are very well respected in my books.

 

[Just Add Muscle]

I'm gonna have to agree with this. I'm on cyclotren and RPN Havoc right now, and my strength and mass gains aren't half what var or tbol did for me. Still, I am satisfied with the results I am getting. Very satisfied.

Cyclotren and Havoc are not like Var or Tbol.Although on Cyclotren alone my strength has been retarded and it actually freaked me out on the bench a few days back.If you want tbol like results run H-drol.Superdrol will give you more strength hands down than all of them with the exception of maybe P-plex but can give rough sides to some.

 

[Just Add Muscle]

so what pro hormone would u reccomend in terms of dry gains?

There are more than one that will give you dry gains.Actually most of them will give you only dry gains with the exception of P-plex and the max lmg compound witch the active in it is a hormone called 13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one.People seem to get wet gains from that one too.There is a sticky at the top of this board that will tell you what each of the ingredients do and how to use them.

 

[Just Add Muscle]

Also a lot of this is like a reverse placebo.People go in with the mentality that if its legal it does not work.I have experience on both sides of the fence and in the past before aas became such a serious offense to use have ran my share of cycles and can tell you that none of these compounds have anything to envy from the illegal products of years ago.I can also tell you that I have yet to find an oral compound to work as efficiently in building lean mass and changing body composition as The superdrol compound.

 

[SouthernLord]

This turned out to be a very good thread. A lot of great info in here.

 

[nateo1979]

Bill or any one on this board have any idea what this compound is

4-chloro-17alpha-methyl-etioallochol-4-ene-17beta-ol-3,11-dione

This compound is made by BCI. The name of the product is

O x a n a b o l o n


There is no website or literature available on this... all I have is the compound name and access to the product.

 

[Just Add Muscle]

Bill or any one on this board have any idea what this compound is

4-chloro-17alpha-methyl-etioallochol-4-ene-17beta-ol-3,11-dione

This compound is made by BCI. The name of the product is

O x a n a b o l o n


There is no website or literature available on this... all I have is the compound name and access to the product.

Looks something like Turinabol on paper.

 

[Just Add Muscle]

I believe this is Turinabol:4-chloro-17 alpha-methyl-17 beta-hydroxy-1,4- androstadiene-3-one

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Bill or any one on this board have any idea what this compound is

4-chloro-17alpha-methyl-etioallochol-4-ene-17beta-ol-3,11-dione

This compound is made by BCI. The name of the product is

O x a n a b o l o n


There is no website or literature available on this... all I have is the compound name and access to the product.

It is close in structure to OT (minus the 1-ene and plus the 11-oxo). I'd have to really dig for data on it, if indeed there even is any (there usually is something though as few companies will risk introducing a steroid without any type of assay on it at all). If I had to guess I'd say it would be a non-aromatizable steroid that was primarily anabolic (as opposed to androgenic) in nature, somewhat similar to OT.

 

[getbig1234]

is there anywhere a chart that tells which one is supposed to be what steriod? i am ignorant to the pro hormones. great thread though i am very interested in all this.

 

[Just Add Muscle]

is there anywhere a chart that tells which one is supposed to be what steriod? i am ignorant to the pro hormones. great thread though i am very interested in all this.

If you go to the top of the page I made a sticky explaining what each of these compounds do.If you need more info feel free to ask any time.

 

[getbig1234]

If you go to the top of the page I made a sticky explaining what each of these compounds do.If you need more info feel free to ask any time.

thanks!

 

[dabuffguy]

Cyclotren and Havoc are not like Var or Tbol.Although on Cyclotren alone my strength has been retarded and it actually freaked me out on the bench a few days back.If you want tbol like results run H-drol.Superdrol will give you more strength hands down than all of them with the exception of maybe P-plex but can give rough sides to some.

You're right, they are not like var or tbol. That' kind of the point.

Var and tbol are mild in terms of strength and mass gains compared to other illegal AAS, and these "mild" compounds are way stronger than the PH's I'm on. Not even in the same ballpark. And dbol is 2 steps above tbol and var in terms of strength and mass. I haven't even tried halo or anadrol, so I can't comment there.

Some are saying that you can get as good results (or better) with PH's as you can with strong AAS like dbol and anadrol and that is just not seeming to add up.


PH do work, and give good gains, but they do not fit in the same category in terms of results as the illegal AAS. As far as my experience goes thus far. I will undoubtedly be giving m-drol (superdrol) and p-plex a run after I'm done and rested from this go.

 

[Just Add Muscle]

You're right, they are not like var or tbol. That' kind of the point.

Var and tbol are mild in terms of strength and mass gains compared to other illegal AAS, and these "mild" compounds are way stronger than the PH's I'm on. Not even in the same ballpark. And dbol is 2 steps above tbol and var in terms of strength and mass. I haven't even tried halo or anadrol, so I can't comment there.

Some are saying that you can get as good results (or better) with PH's as you can with strong AAS like dbol and anadrol and that is just not seeming to add up.


PH do work, and give good gains, but they do not fit in the same category in terms of results as the illegal AAS. As far as my experience goes thus far. I will undoubtedly be giving m-drol (superdrol) and p-plex a run after I'm done and rested from this go.

I have ran dbol at 60mgs a day back in the day.I could not run p-plex at higher than 40 mgs per day due to the water retention and sides from it.Along with ridiculous strength gains much more pronounced than with dbol.Also did not make me nearly as lethargic.As many have said that have used it milligram per milligram phera plex is a much stronger hormone than dbol when comparing apples to apples.Superdrol will dwarf all of them with out any water and dwarf them in muscle gains,definition,muscularity and strength gains.By all of them I mean anadrol included.But people will make themselfs blue in the face because now they are legal.When they are all gone they will say awww man I wish I would have stocked up on these products.None of this is new news.These compounds have been used as far back as 2005 and many people including competitive bodybuilders at pro levels have been very well aware that they are around and have been using them before they hit main stream.

 

[FRONT2BACKJACKED]

I have ran dbol at 60mgs a day back in the day.I could not run p-plex at higher than 40 mgs per day due to the water retention and sides from it.Along with ridiculous strength gains much more pronounced than with dbol.Also did not make me nearly as lethargic.As many have said that have used it milligram per milligram phera plex is a much stronger hormone than dbol when comparing apples to apples.Superdrol will dwarf all of them with out any water and dwarf them in muscle gains,definition,muscularity and strength gains.By all of them I mean anadrol included.But people will make themselfs blue in the face because now they are legal.When they are all gone they will say awww man I wish I would have stocked up on these products.None of this is new news.These compounds have been used as far back as 2005 and many people including competitive bodybuilders at pro levels have been very well aware that they are around and have been using them before they hit main stream.

good post

Nobody had any experience with M1T?

Im blowing up on the shit, UGLABS when it was legal

im also stacking it with 30mg superdrol ed

i need new pics, those are abouy 8 months old and have had good success sicne then

 

[1500]

I have ran dbol at 60mgs a day back in the day.I could not run p-plex at higher than 40 mgs per day due to the water retention and sides from it.Along with ridiculous strength gains much more pronounced than with dbol.Also did not make me nearly as lethargic.As many have said that have used it milligram per milligram phera plex is a much stronger hormone than dbol when comparing apples to apples.Superdrol will dwarf all of them with out any water and dwarf them in muscle gains,definition,muscularity and strength gains.By all of them I mean anadrol included.But people will make themselfs blue in the face because now they are legal.When they are all gone they will say awww man I wish I would have stocked up on these products.None of this is new news.These compounds have been used as far back as 2005 and many people including competitive bodybuilders at pro levels have been very well aware that they are around and have been using them before they hit main stream.

I am the opposite of this. They are a great legal alternative and I wish I could get these results. It would save me money and possible legal ramifications, but I just dont get these types of results and I would love to.

 

[Greatercow]

ahh the only thing i got from M1T was a lump under my nip and bad acne but i was a kid and didnt knew shit about what it did

 

[the_alcatraz]

ahh the only thing i got from M1T was a lump under my nip and bad acne but i was a kid and didnt knew shit about what it did

I actually had decent results from M1T and decent strength increase....not really comparable to a-bombs, but decent nonetheless

 

[Greatercow]

yea i wouldve probably gotten better results if i actually knew what the thing was

 

[P4D2A022]

didnt get too much out of pp

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

PH do work, and give good gains, but they do not fit in the same category in terms of results as the illegal AAS.

Prohormone is just a BS word to sell synthetic designer steroids as supplements. There absolutely are in the same category.

Of course I cannot comment on the potency or quality of any one product, which can have an impact on what your subjective results are.

I really don't want to give up before readers in this thread accept this plain simple scientific fact. A steroid is a steroid is a steroid. I don't care if some drug company shelled out millions to have the FDA approves it.

 

[Just Add Muscle]

I think that like I said in my previous post that people get like a reverse placebo.I guarantee if I took some p-plex and put it in a bottle of dbol and people took it they would never suspect that it was not dbol.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Honestly,

I had more strength gains on HAVOC than I did on 40-60mg of Var. I just started a cycle of Cyclotren/Havoc/Dermacrine/ECA/Lipoflame/Amp02 today, I am trying to keep a LOG in the SUP section, (which I started half assed just a couple of mins ago!).

If anyone has any questions, feel free to hit me up!

-Legacy

 

[dabuffguy]

Prohormone is just a BS word to sell synthetic designer steroids as supplements. There absolutely are in the same category.

Of course I cannot comment on the potency or quality of any one product, which can have an impact on what your subjective results are.

I really don't want to give up before readers in this thread accept this plain simple scientific fact. A steroid is a steroid is a steroid. I don't care if some drug company shelled out millions to have the FDA approves it.

Oh, I absolutely agree with you that they are steroids. The only reason I am calling them "PH", is because of their leagl status just to define and distinguish legal hormones and illegal hormones. "PH", the way I use it means "legal steroids". lol. Doesn't really make 100% sense, but the hormones we are talking about like cyclotren, epistane/havoc, halodrol 50, superdrol and phera-plex ARE STERODS for sure.

If I said steroids for everything, people would automatically think dbol, deca, test, etc.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Prohormone is just a BS word to sell synthetic designer steroids as supplements. There absolutely are in the same category.

Of course I cannot comment on the potency or quality of any one product, which can have an impact on what your subjective results are.

I really don't want to give up before readers in this thread accept this plain simple scientific fact. A steroid is a steroid is a steroid. I don't care if some drug company shelled out millions to have the FDA approves it.

Good post bro

 

[FRONT2BACKJACKED]

great thread

i hope the anti prohormone lore has subsided after all this ethical debate

 

[fenix777]

Great Info guys, keep it coming.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Doesn't really make 100% sense, but the hormones we are talking about like cyclotren, epistane/havoc, halodrol 50, superdrol and phera-plex ARE STERODS for sure.

If I said steroids for everything, people would automatically think dbol, deca, test, etc.

Exactly. This is the issue right here. People should not see any distinction at all.

If there was never Parabolan or Finajet, and people just discovered trenbolone implants today, we would be arguing that trenbolone is not a real steroid because it is not a controlled substance. You see what I mean. What defines a steroid is its structure and action. It doesn't matter if some government official knows it is a steroid or not. Most Congressman/women wouldn't know a steroid if you keyed the chemical structure of one on the hood of their limo.

 

[Just Add Muscle]

Exactly. This is the issue right here. People should not see any distinction at all.

If there was never Parabolan or Finajet, and people just discovered trenbolone implants today, we would be arguing that trenbolone is not a real steroid because it is not a controlled substance. You see what I mean. What defines a steroid is its structure and action. It doesn't matter if some government official knows it is a steroid or not. Most Congressman/women wouldn't know a steroid if you keyed the chemical structure of one on the hood of their limo.

 

[FRONT2BACKJACKED]

llewellyn is very articulate

i should think so. he wrote the book =)

 

[1500]

llewellyn is very articulate

i should think so. he wrote the book =)

HEY HOLY GHOST!!!! IF YOU WERE GOING TO COME BACK HERE AT LEAST BE SMART ENOUGH NOT TO PUT THE SAME PICS YOU POSTED OF YOURSELF ON SUPREME SPORTS AND I POSTED OF YOU ON OUTLAW IN YOUR ELITE FITNESS GALLERY. YOU'RE A LOSER.

 

[1500]

And dont try to delete the pics out of your gallery now. Certain mods and EFFrank have been notified.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

HEY HOLY GHOST!!!! IF YOU WERE GOING TO COME BACK HERE AT LEAST BE SMART ENOUGH NOT TO PUT THE SAME PICS YOU POSTED OF YOURSELF ON SUPREME SPORTS AND I POSTED OF YOU ON OUTLAW IN YOUR ELITE FITNESS GALLERY. YOU'RE A LOSER.

What's all this about dude? What's up with front2jacked?

 

[1500]

What's all this about dude? What's up with front2jacked?

long story. But the vets here will know what i am talking about. Dont want to start drama on the board, but we all know that we dont want him here either for too many reasons to talk about.

 

[dabuffguy]

And dont try to delete the pics out of your gallery now. Certain mods and EFFrank have been notified.

You better hope you are right that this is HG, or you are gonna look like a super assmunch, lol.

 

[1500]

You better hope you are right that this is HG, or you are gonna look like a super assmunch, lol.

well if it's not, he is using his pictures, lol. go search it on outlaw

 

[needtogetaas]

ahh the only thing i got from M1T was a lump under my nip and bad acne but i was a kid and didnt knew shit about what it did

This is my only problem with these types of product. It puts steroids in the hands of young kids that have no damn clue what they are taking. They think its just another sup.

But if you learn and research they are fine to use.

 

[needtogetaas]

You better hope you are right that this is HG, or you are gonna look like a super assmunch, lol.

He is right!. It will be taken care of.

 

[1500]

He is right!. It will be taken care of.

I You!!!!!!! (no homo)

 

[needtogetaas]

HEY HOLY GHOST!!!! IF YOU WERE GOING TO COME BACK HERE AT LEAST BE SMART ENOUGH NOT TO PUT THE SAME PICS YOU POSTED OF YOURSELF ON SUPREME SPORTS AND I POSTED OF YOU ON OUTLAW IN YOUR ELITE FITNESS GALLERY. YOU'RE A LOSER.

Hes banned.

 

[Just Add Muscle]

This is my only problem with these types of product. It puts steroids in the hands of young kids that have no damn clue what they are taking. They think its just another sup.

But if you learn and research they are fine to use.

+100000000

This is the issue that I also have.It is our responsibility as retailers to educate and warn.When ever I get some kids that look young looking for ph's in my store. I ask them their age and if they are under 18 I direct them to creatine,refuse to sell them any, and scare the hell out of them about sides with PH's.If they are from 18-21 I scare the hell out of them and if they insist after that I tell them they are over 18 and if they want to fuck them selfs up for no reason to go ahead but they are wasting their money on something their body is producing plenty off any ways.

 

[1bigfc]

At a store by me I am a silent partner on I hear about the kids coming in there all the time trying to get Tren Extreme, adn they say the guys who work there do the same as Just add Muscle, they tell them if under 18, creatine, protein, and stuff like that. If over 18 same thing, tell them about it and possible sides, but they're over 18 so they usually buy it....

 

[Elementality]

+100000000

This is the issue that I also have.It is our responsibility as retailers to educate and warn.When ever I get some kids that look young looking for ph's in my store. I ask them their age and if they are under 18 I direct them to creatine,refuse to sell them any, and scare the hell out of them about sides with PH's.If they are from 18-21 I scare the hell out of them and if they insist after that I tell them they are over 18 and if they want to fuck them selfs up for no reason to go ahead but they are wasting their money on something their body is producing plenty off any ways.

At what age would you say its safe to start cycling?

 

[Just Add Muscle]

At what age would you say its safe to start cycling?

20+

 

[dabuffguy]

24+

fixed

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

fixed

Im not 24 till November....DAMN IT!...No more log for you guys! Just kidding!

-Legacy

 

[Just Add Muscle]

I was done growing by the time I was 20 for sure.I was actually around 190 with single digit bf and had been training since 12 years old on a regular basis.It depends on the person.But 20 years old is plenty mature for most to make those decisions.