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uncletruckems said:
Just out of curiosity does anyone know what a pro's on and off cycle would consist of??
Ive heard a lot of different stories. ? ?
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Unless your working with them it's all speculation. Most probably don't have off cycle's though.
 
damn pretty secrative i guess.
I have a good friend who uses Chris Aceto as his nutritionist.
Chris is also Cutlers nutritionist -he may know..
ive heard ranges of dbol to be 250mg a day,
1g of test a day, obviously alot of growth and slin..... :evil:
 
lee preist clams he only does 400mg of deca
.... of course that could be a day or a week
 
more than anything, being pro is about being able to take insane doses without getting insane sides. I would also bet that most pros naturally have a great deal of AR receptors.
 
view said:
more than anything, being pro is about being able to take insane doses without getting insane sides. I would also bet that most pros naturally have a great deal of AR receptors.
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It's not that they have a lot of AR's. They have excellent genetics to gain muscle and stay lean and/or get lean easily. Pro's have very thick muscle bellies, for the most part, which means that they have lots of muscle fibers for the AAS to work on. Therefore when comparing someone with very thin, or not a lot, of muscle fibers pro's will seem to change like magic. Yes, 250 mgs/day of D-Bol is realistic. Who knows exactly what the top guys use. I can speculate, since I've helped national level guys, but I don't know for sure either.
 
farmerjohn said:
Be careful, try the insane doses Adreas Munzer was taking and you will bleed out through your stomach.
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It was not the insane doses that killed Munzer. It was that his blood was so thick from the diuretics and EPO. He got on a plane to go back to Germany right after the Arnold Classic.
 
kethnaab said:
well mak, what were the national-level dudes you were helping using?
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A typical dose of test is 2-3 G's a week, along with another G of deca or EQ, depending on if they are bulking or dieting, 200-250 mgs/day of D-Bol or Anadrol, GH anywhere from 4-6 IU's a day, Slin at 10-15 IU's up to twice a day, etc. These are general doses.
 
See what you can find in terms of info from the BALCO case. A lot of information has come out that does not name names.
BALCO performed blood work on 24 or the 25 participants in the '98 Ironman.
The two highest amounts of test in the bber's systems were 20,000 ng/dl (2 grams) and 10,000 ng/dl (1 gram).
It was said that those two individuals thought they were taking low dose test and stacking it with exotic drugs. What was really happening is they were getting scammed.
So 22 of the contestants took in less then a gram of test a week.
 
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slat1 said:
See what you can find in terms of info from the BALCO case. A lot of information has come out that does not name names.
BALCO performed blood work on 24 or the 25 participants in the '98 Ironman.
The two highest amounts of test in the bber's systems were 20,000 ng/dl (2 grams) and 10,000 ng/dl (1 gram).
It was said that those two individuals thought they were taking low dose test and stacking it with exotic drugs. What was really happening is they were getting scammed.
So 22 of the contestants too in less then a gram of test a week.
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PS. Don't kill the messenger.. LOL.
 
Aceto wont release that info - but hinted on the side of alot of gh and a lot more insulin. says all pro bb are diabetic from the slin abuse over the yrs and amounts.
interesting how secretive it is.
thanks fellas
ill keep looking around for mo info :evil:
 
uncletruckems said:
Aceto wont release that info - but hinted on the side of alot of gh and a lot more insulin. says all pro bb are diabetic from the slin abuse over the yrs and amounts.
interesting how secretive it is.
thanks fellas
ill keep looking around for mo info :evil:
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None of the top contest prep guys will tell you what they're guys use. They keep it a secret because otherwise nobody would pay them for it.
 
Btw slat, that's bad info lol. Just b/c their blood levels were 10,000 doesn't mean they were USING only 1g a week. Depends on the person how much your serum concentration of test will rise per mg of exogenous test you take. If you take 1g/week, that will NOT raise your levels anywhere near 10,000ng/dl. Maybe 2-3000 or so, at least from bloodwork I've seen. To get test levels of 10,000ng/dl, they'd need to take 3-4x that, or 3-4g/week, which also sounds more reasonable. No insult intended, just pointing out that 1g of test IN your bloodstream doesn't mean you're only taking 1g/week of test.
 
Tux said:
Btw slat, that's bad info lol. Just b/c their blood levels were 10,000 doesn't mean they were USING only 1g a week. Depends on the person how much your serum concentration of test will rise per mg of exogenous test you take. If you take 1g/week, that will NOT raise your levels anywhere near 10,000ng/dl. Maybe 2-3000 or so, at least from bloodwork I've seen. To get test levels of 10,000ng/dl, they'd need to take 3-4x that, or 3-4g/week, which also sounds more reasonable. No insult intended, just pointing out that 1g of test IN your bloodstream doesn't mean you're only taking 1g/week of test.
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That's right Tux. Good call.
 
Tux said:
Btw slat, that's bad info lol. Just b/c their blood levels were 10,000 doesn't mean they were USING only 1g a week. Depends on the person how much your serum concentration of test will rise per mg of exogenous test you take. If you take 1g/week, that will NOT raise your levels anywhere near 10,000ng/dl. Maybe 2-3000 or so, at least from bloodwork I've seen. To get test levels of 10,000ng/dl, they'd need to take 3-4x that, or 3-4g/week, which also sounds more reasonable. No insult intended, just pointing out that 1g of test IN your bloodstream doesn't mean you're only taking 1g/week of test.
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No problem at all. I had a Dr friend of mine do the math in his head. Thats what I get for listening to the guy...LOL

I can tell you this though. I know for a fact that a lot of guys have never gone over 750mgs of test on the pro stage (they do stack though... scary amounts of some other stuff like winny at 800mgs/week :worried: ). We can say its true or not all day. These are guys I have hung with who have invite me into their homes.
 
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