Pro Cycle?

[Makavelli]

Be careful, try the insane doses Adreas Munzer was taking and you will bleed out through your stomach.

It was not the insane doses that killed Munzer. It was that his blood was so thick from the diuretics and EPO. He got on a plane to go back to Germany right after the Arnold Classic.

 

[kethnaab]

well mak, what were the national-level dudes you were helping using?

 

[Makavelli]

well mak, what were the national-level dudes you were helping using?

A typical dose of test is 2-3 G's a week, along with another G of deca or EQ, depending on if they are bulking or dieting, 200-250 mgs/day of D-Bol or Anadrol, GH anywhere from 4-6 IU's a day, Slin at 10-15 IU's up to twice a day, etc. These are general doses.

 

[slat1]

See what you can find in terms of info from the BALCO case. A lot of information has come out that does not name names.
BALCO performed blood work on 24 or the 25 participants in the '98 Ironman.
The two highest amounts of test in the bber's systems were 20,000 ng/dl (2 grams) and 10,000 ng/dl (1 gram).
It was said that those two individuals thought they were taking low dose test and stacking it with exotic drugs. What was really happening is they were getting scammed.
So 22 of the contestants took in less then a gram of test a week.

 

[slat1]

See what you can find in terms of info from the BALCO case. A lot of information has come out that does not name names.
BALCO performed blood work on 24 or the 25 participants in the '98 Ironman.
The two highest amounts of test in the bber's systems were 20,000 ng/dl (2 grams) and 10,000 ng/dl (1 gram).
It was said that those two individuals thought they were taking low dose test and stacking it with exotic drugs. What was really happening is they were getting scammed.
So 22 of the contestants too in less then a gram of test a week.

PS. Don't kill the messenger.. LOL.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

IFBB pro Mark Dugdale told me awhile back that my doses at the time were heavier than his...

 

[uncletruckems]

Aceto wont release that info - but hinted on the side of alot of gh and a lot more insulin. says all pro bb are diabetic from the slin abuse over the yrs and amounts.
interesting how secretive it is.
thanks fellas
ill keep looking around for mo info

 

[Makavelli]

Aceto wont release that info - but hinted on the side of alot of gh and a lot more insulin. says all pro bb are diabetic from the slin abuse over the yrs and amounts.
interesting how secretive it is.
thanks fellas
ill keep looking around for mo info

None of the top contest prep guys will tell you what they're guys use. They keep it a secret because otherwise nobody would pay them for it.

 

[Tux]

Btw slat, that's bad info lol. Just b/c their blood levels were 10,000 doesn't mean they were USING only 1g a week. Depends on the person how much your serum concentration of test will rise per mg of exogenous test you take. If you take 1g/week, that will NOT raise your levels anywhere near 10,000ng/dl. Maybe 2-3000 or so, at least from bloodwork I've seen. To get test levels of 10,000ng/dl, they'd need to take 3-4x that, or 3-4g/week, which also sounds more reasonable. No insult intended, just pointing out that 1g of test IN your bloodstream doesn't mean you're only taking 1g/week of test.

 

[Makavelli]

Btw slat, that's bad info lol. Just b/c their blood levels were 10,000 doesn't mean they were USING only 1g a week. Depends on the person how much your serum concentration of test will rise per mg of exogenous test you take. If you take 1g/week, that will NOT raise your levels anywhere near 10,000ng/dl. Maybe 2-3000 or so, at least from bloodwork I've seen. To get test levels of 10,000ng/dl, they'd need to take 3-4x that, or 3-4g/week, which also sounds more reasonable. No insult intended, just pointing out that 1g of test IN your bloodstream doesn't mean you're only taking 1g/week of test.

That's right Tux. Good call.