Primo cycle - need input

[stevesmi]

bumping this.

 

[caribeman]

I would get blood work, run primo by itself for 14 weeks. Week 7 do blood work and compare, adjust if necessary, simple. I agree that Test is not always needed and I also disagree that Test ups your sex drive. Test DOES NOT have the same libido effect on all users. Test does complement another anabolics well though....

 

[vocor]

Any AAS will shut you down to some degree. When I say "shut you down", I mean reduce (maybe dramatically) your natty test production. No test has some bad sides like no libido, etc.
Adding test replaces what has been "shut down", but it doesn't un-shut-you-down. It just mitigates the other AAS because now you have test even if natty test isn't being produced.

 

[stevesmi]

Adding test replaces what has been "shut down", but it doesn't un-shut-you-down. It just mitigates the other AAS because now you have test even if natty test isn't being produced.

I'll ask you the same things I asked in post #20.

I haven't gotten a legitamite explanation for what i brung up in that post.
if what you write was 100% true then there is no way anyone would gain strength on beastdrol, or tren, or whatever AAS i decide to run without test. go back and read post 20 then come back and give me a response

the explanation of it replaces natty test with other test is great on the surface doesn't address the questions i brung up and the logic behind running beastdrol or tren and gaining 15 pounds on your bench press.. if running them didn't boost my anabolic and androgenic environment in the body then how are you gaining strength without test? makes no sense

and once again I re-iterate.. I am NOT argueing that all AAS suppress natty test levels, this is not debateable and anyone who has run beastdrol, dbol or tren ace have seen an incredible increase in strength WITHOUT stacking with test. this is NOT debateable as well.

EVERYTIME i bring this question up everyone dissapears from threads and i really believe no one really knows this answer. i guess its up to me to run bloods and prove it one way or another. its something that i have wondered about

 

[mobilemb]

I understand the theory but by the 3rd week you're going to start feeling a drop in sex drive. If you're not looking to get shut down hard, why not just include 300 mgs of T throughout and shorten the cycle to 8 weeks -- do everything else the same.

Nelson why is 8 weeks the right amount of time for test?

 

[GrowthSpurt1]

Bump this thread. I'm curious to know the outcome.

 

[Colstreamer]

yes this is what I believed too. but I am saying since all AAS is derived from test. if you were to run AAS your body would be anabolic and androgenic. and it will supplement your bodies testosterone as you put it that way.

essentially you are saying if i run primo then my test levels will be <100 by week 5. I am saying that isn't the case (if it is true then you are still getting supplemented during this time anyway right?) your test levels will drop once the esters leave the body cause your own body isn't producing test anymore, and also the AAS is not in there to 'supplement' as you put it. assuming you run a bad pct or no pct this is the time your libido drops and you feel shutdown, not during cycle. I will be running bloods in the next year to see for myself.

i just don't see how its plausible to run tren alone and gain strength and size and you are advocating your test levels are less than 100. if what you are saying was 100% true then the only AAS that would ever need to be run is testosterone, might as well trash everything else.

the only reason i started thinking this is i've had just as good results running compounds alone, then stacking with test. actually i probably had BETTER results with lone compounds cause test gave me unwanted sides. I just need to know if what you and Nelson are saying is 100% right with my own blood work, just out of curiousity.

I'd be very interested to see the results you get. I've wondered the same thing myself.
I have a theory but that's all it is. It seems to me that shut down is compound and dose dependant. 300mg test is gonna shutdown HPTA quicker and to a greater extent than 300mg primo. I think it's because the body recognises test as test more quickly cos it's a lot closer to what it's producing and it has a greater level of activity. (What I mean by that is you're gonna notice more gains in strength & size on 300mg test PW than 300mg primo PW) I mean it stands to reason the greater the dose the greater the rate of aromatisation (if an aromatisable compound is used) therefore it follows (to me) that shutdown will be greater with larger doses. I think the OP had similar thoughts wanting to add test when he noticed a loss of libido usually associated with low test. I've seen many people arbitrarily add test to cycles to combat the shutdown they're expecting and to my mind this makes as much sense as throwing SERMs into pct or cycle support because estrogen related sides are expected Or taking aspirin before you get a headache simply because you're expecting one!

Does this make any sense or have I rambled a load of incoherent nonsense?

 

[goldie123]

I'd be very interested to see the results you get. I've wondered the same thing myself.
I have a theory but that's all it is. It seems to me that shut down is compound and dose dependant. 300mg test is gonna shutdown HPTA quicker and to a greater extent than 300mg primo. I think it's because the body recognises test as test more quickly cos it's a lot closer to what it's producing and it has a greater level of activity. (What I mean by that is you're gonna notice more gains in strength & size on 300mg test PW than 300mg primo PW) I mean it stands to reason the greater the dose the greater the rate of aromatisation (if an aromatisable compound is used) therefore it follows (to me) that shutdown will be greater with larger doses. I think the OP had similar thoughts wanting to add test when he noticed a loss of libido usually associated with low test. I've seen many people arbitrarily add test to cycles to combat the shutdown they're expecting and to my mind this makes as much sense as throwing SERMs into pct or cycle support because estrogen related sides are expected Or taking aspirin before you get a headache simply because you're expecting one!

Does this make any sense or have I rambled a load of incoherent nonsense?

I found it very interesting what you said, I don't know as much as you guys but I think you have an intriguing theory.