pretty freaky

[Pat_McCrotch]

If he literally collapsed and died instantly, I'll guess brain, a ruptured cerebral aneurysm. The aneurysm pops and floods the cerebral fluid with blood, the brain is snapped off, BANG.


That is one of the many types of bleeds. Your speaking of a subarchnoid bleed.

The tendency toward them, that's congenital, something you're born with, just like any other weakness.

this is so true and a small percentage of people walk around with them and not even know it. You go to your MD complaing of a stiff neck and a HA adn he just happens to do a CT scan or MRI and there it is.

High/increased blood pressure triggers them and can blow them, but if you have an aneurysm you can have normal blood pressure, too and it can blow. High blood pressure doesn't make you GET an aneurysm unless you have a weakness in your arterial wall somewhere to begin with. Now a SUDDEN increase in blood pressure, as in heavy weight training (your blood pressure goes up like crazy when you weight train, even more than with cardio, think of those red faced power lifters), that's a different story.

HTN untreated long enough can weaken a vessel. think about all that pressure for years on anything will weaken it eventually.

He didn't get the aneurysm from weight training, or steroids, but could those two things have contributed to his early death who's to say? He could have skipped his training yesterday, gotten cut off in traffic today, got pissed off and popped a vessel in the middle of rush hour traffic, too, and taken out a car full of commuters. If he'd never taken steroids, never lifted weights, maintained a normal body weight and gotten regular exercise he might have checked out 30 years from now, or he might have dropped dead in the middle of an orgasm.

Death is a crapshoot, only guys on death row know when their ticket will get punched, and sometimes they get curveballs, too.

this is sooo true.

this 27 year old girl came to our ER after drinking one night maybe one or 2 and she was acting drunk. We ordered a CT and she had a big ass bleed in the middle of her brain. It was shifting the brains midline which is never good. Some people come out of them but there is always residual damage.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Well if you dont know what happenned then the first thing you would do is check responsiveness then breathing then pulse. you always assume its cardiac arrest with adults if they just drop dead. If it bleed fast enough and big enough his brain may have herniated which means buldged out of the hold in the base of the skull affecting his brain stem which controls breathing and other things important to life.

 

[juniorsamples]

Dude, they did the right thing. Did they? Standing around Rubbernecking for 6 Minutes while he has no pulse or breathing waiting for an Ambulance to arrive. If he wasn't dead from the anyurism he would be from lack of Oxygen to the brain over 6 minutes.

I realize no one knew what he had dropped from immediately. I would have thought Heart Attack myself. I hope I never have that happen at my Gym, but if it does, I'm going to try CPR. I hope someone does the same for me if I drop.

 

[zouave]

Dude, they did the right thing. Did they? Standing around Rubbernecking for 6 Minutes while he has no pulse or breathing waiting for an Ambulance to arrive. If he wasn't dead from the anyurism he would be from lack of Oxygen to the brain over 6 minutes.

I realize no one knew what he had dropped from immediately. I would have thought Heart Attack myself. I hope I never have that happen at my Gym, but if it does, I'm going to try CPR. I hope someone does the same for me if I drop.

no doubt. i had to give a guy cpr once. i found him, called 911, then did cpr for 6 or 7 minutes till the paramedics got there. they hooked him up to some electrodes and said he'd been gone for 15 minutes or so. too late. a guy i was with froze up. after it was all over he said he knew it was too late for the guy and so he didn't bother. i knew he was feeling guilty so i didn't call him on it, but doing cpr for 5 minutes till the ambulance gets there isn't asking alot. i hope someone would do it for me.

 

[juniorsamples]

no doubt. i had to give a guy cpr once. i found him, called 911, then did cpr for 6 or 7 minutes till the paramedics got there. they hooked him up to some electrodes and said he'd been gone for 15 minutes or so. too late. a guy i was with froze up. after it was all over he said he knew it was too late for the guy and so he didn't bother. i knew he was feeling guilty so i didn't call him on it, but doing cpr for 5 minutes till the ambulance gets there isn't asking alot. i hope someone would do it for me.

I hope you or someone like you is there if I need Help. Your a good Bro Zo.

 

[billdance]

i quit taking caffeine and mini thins before most workouts... no more... too much pressure...

 

[st8grad]

i quit taking caffeine and mini thins before most workouts... no more... too much pressure...

As long as you are healthy the risk is infinitely small bro.

 

[NYBodyguard]

I call bullshit

 

[st8grad]

Not something that anyone should have to have the "privilege" of deciding. Sorry for you loss. I admire that you had the courage to do the right thing.

Dude, they did the right thing. A ruptured cerebral aneurysm severe enough to stop a man's heart means severe brain damage. If they HAD done CPR, he was brain dead. God forbid if they'd actually managed to get his heart beating it would have been powering a turnip.

My mother blew an aneurysm lying IN a hospital bed. They used everything they had and, of course, got her body to start living again (because the aneurysm didn't affect her brainstem, which handles bodily functions) so I got the privelege of deciding to pull her plug and wait for her body to catch up to her brain.

 

[ben dovergurl]

I call bullshit

i can see that view very easily also, if i hadnt seen it with my own eyes i would think the same thing. i've tried to find out a lil more about him since then, basically all ive found out is that he was on test/deca, was always healthy, and he was 31. its in the obituaries if theres still some skeptics out there.