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Preparing For First Marathon - Need Advice and Guidance

Self-Inflicted

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So I decided today that I want to attempt running the Los Angeles Marathon next March. The marathon is 26.2 miles long and currently I can only run 1 1/2 miles straight. I have 7-8 months to prepare for the marathon and I was curious as to if this is enough time to prepare. Also what kind of training should I be doing? Do I focus on speed? Or just trying to run for longer periods of time? Any information or tips you can give me would be awesome!

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I searched through the first 6 pages of threads and didn't find one re-guarding marathons.
 
Hi,

First, I applaud your daring.

Second, you probably can survive a marathon. I don't know your stats (age, weight, height) or your background (though you don't seem to be a runner).

There are a million answers to how to train for your marathon. There are local running clubs, local coaches, training programs connected to the LA Marathon (that you can use if you live out there), etc. There are also many books, online coaches, and rules of thumb that are sometimes helpful, sometimes not.

One thing I can tell you is that you DO have time. You probably could survive the marathon now if you had to - it just would not be a very pleasant experience.

Here is what I recommend: go to http://www.runnersworld.com/smartcoach and enter the information necessary to train for your race.

When deciding what time to enter, consider your own personal goals along with what you think is practicle and look at last years results to the marathon and pick out where, percentile-wise, you want to finish relative to others in your age group.

Maybe look at finishing in the top 75%.

Or, time wise, maybe look at 4:30. If you told me your age, sex, and fitness level, I could tell you a good idea of what you could shoot for.
 
I am a 23 year old male. As far as fitness level, I currently lift 3xs a week and am doing some running twice a week. I can usually run for 20 minutes straight (a little more than 2 miles) and never really have problems with my breathing. Not sure how else to define my fitness level other than I'm 6'0 190 pounds. I'll check into the smartcoach you provided. I am also joining a local running club. That is how I got the idea of running the marathon since they start training for it on August 25th.
 
Self-Inflicted said:
I am a 23 year old male. As far as fitness level, I currently lift 3xs a week and am doing some running twice a week. I can usually run for 20 minutes straight (a little more than 2 miles) and never really have problems with my breathing. Not sure how else to define my fitness level other than I'm 6'0 190 pounds. I'll check into the smartcoach you provided. I am also joining a local running club. That is how I got the idea of running the marathon since they start training for it on August 25th.

I can tell you this - if you are 23 you can run a marathon so just get that in your head. You can do it and that won't be a problem.

now you need to decide what your goals are - 1) to finish a marathon or 2) to finish a marathon under a certain time?

If you are just trying to finish DO NOT overtrain. That is how most people get tripped up. You could run 26 miles tomorrow if you had to but you will not be able to walk for a week after.

So if you are just trying to finish, and you know you can already do that, now you are just trying to manage the pain you are going to feel during and after the race.

I ran my first marathon when I was 23 and the longest run I did before the marathon was 10 miles and I only did that once. However, I could not walk for 3 days after.

The most important thing you MUST do is build up your mileage SLOWLY. If you start adding miles fast, you are going to get injured. I repeat overtraining = pre-race injury = no marathon.
 
Self-Inflicted said:
I am a 23 year old male. As far as fitness level, I currently lift 3xs a week and am doing some running twice a week. I can usually run for 20 minutes straight (a little more than 2 miles) and never really have problems with my breathing. Not sure how else to define my fitness level other than I'm 6'0 190 pounds. I'll check into the smartcoach you provided. I am also joining a local running club. That is how I got the idea of running the marathon since they start training for it on August 25th.

Hi,

In that case, set your goal for 4 hours and do EXACTLY as Smartcoach tells you. It's very smart. Note your starting weekly milage at 4 miles. Pay careful attention to the milage it tells you. And do not set your training to 'very hard.'
 
Self-Inflicted said:
Is it better to run these miles on a treadmill or outside of a gym? Or is the difference not that significant?

you won't be running your marathon on a treadmill so don't do your training there either. Something you will learn after you have done enough running is that you get a little free spin so 5 miles on a treadmill does not equal 5 miles on the pavement.

Treadmill is ok to maintain in case you can't hit the road but can not be used as your main training gig.
 
1. Run just enough

"Stay healthy" is the most important piece of marathon training advice, and the most often ignored. It does you no good to train hard, and then get sick or injured. Better to be slightly undertrained, but feeling strong and eager, than to be overtrained. The trick, of course, is finding that fine line between the two.
2. Build your training slowly

Increase weekly mileage by just 10 percent per week. Extend long runs by just one mile at a time up to 10 miles, then by two miles at a time if you want. Take recovery weeks as well as recovery days. Here's what eight weeks of marathon training might look like, in terms of miles per week: 20-22-24-20-26-28-30-20.

3. Recover, recover, recover

You don't have to train hard seven days a week. You have to train smart three or four days a week. This was proven in a 1994 study at the University of Northern Iowa, where four-time-a-week runners performed just as well in a marathon as those training six times a week and covering 20 percent more total miles. A similar approach is now endorsed by the Furman FIRST marathon program, where 70 percent of veterans have improved their times on three runs a week.

4. Do your long runs

This is a no-brainer. The newer you are to marathoning, and the slower, the more important your long runs. You simply have to get accustomed to being on your feet for three, four, or more hours. There's no magic length. Most experts recommend stopping at two and a half to three hours; Jeff Galloway advises going farther, but including walk breaks. All systems work, as long as you get to the starting line healthy and strong.

5. Practice your marathon pace

Ann Alyanak, a coach at the University of Dayton, took 10 minutes off her PR at Boston last spring, finishing in 2:38. The key, she believes, was the addition of "progressive marathon-pace" (MP) long runs to her program. Alyanak would do a two-mile warmup, then six miles at marathon pace plus 40 seconds, six more at marathon pace plus 20, and her final six at marathon pace. "I was able to run negative splits in Boston," she says.

6. Extend your tempo-run distance

Tempo runs were born as four-mile efforts, propounded by coaching genius Jack Daniels, Ph.D. Then another genius coach, Joe Vigil, Ph.D., began asking Deena Kastor to hold the tempo pace longer--eventually up to 12 miles. He got Meb Keflezighi to 15. Result? Two Olympic Marathon medals. Gradually extend your tempo runs, slowing by a few seconds per mile from your four-mile pace. "The longer the tempo run workout you can sustain, the greater the dividends down the road," says Vigil.

7. Eat your carbs...

To stay healthy and recover well during marathon training, you need to fuel your body efficiently. First, consume some carbs--gel, sports drink, and so on--during long, hard workouts to keep running strong. Second, eat and/or drink a good helping of carbs as quickly as possible after workouts. This will replenish the glycogen (energy supply) in your depleted leg muscles. Add a little protein for muscle repair.

8. ...and pay attention to iron

None of the Trials qualifiers in Karp's study identified themselves as "vegetarians." Running increases iron loss through sweating and pounding. You don't have to be a meat-eater to run a strong marathon, but you do have to consume enough iron. Cooking in an iron skillet helps, as does consuming iron-rich foods with vitamin C, which increases the body's iron absorption.

9. Sidestep injuries

I recently asked exercise physiologist, author, and two-time U.S. Olympic marathoner (1984, 1988) Peter Pfitzinger what he would do differently if he were 22 years old today. He said that he'd rest and/or cross-train for several days a week at the first hint of a problem. And that he'd include core training in his regimen. "I'm convinced that core stability helps runners maintain good running form and pace late in a race," says Pfitzinger, now the CEO of the New Zealand Academy of Sport North.

10. Taper for two to three weeks

Many runners hate to taper. We are cursed with a sort of sublime obsessiveness--a big help when you're increasing your efforts, but an albatross when you're supposed to be cutting back. A new study from Ball State University showed a particular gain in Type IIa muscle fiber strength--the so-called fast, aerobic muscles that can adapt to improve your performance--after a three-week taper. Of course, as Ryan Hall's experiment shows, you don't have to follow all these principles to run a strong marathon. But the more you cover the basics, the greater your chance of 26.2-mile success.
 
Self-Inflicted said:
Is it better to run these miles on a treadmill or outside of a gym? Or is the difference not that significant?

It's not significant. Do them wherever you feel more comfortable. That's probably going to be outdoors because the idea of doing anything more than 20 minutes on a treadmill is too much for me. But if you can do it and there is a TV in front of you, go for it.

But just obey the smart coach.

Re: nutrition/hydration. Try to do your runs on a loop so that for anythign more than an hour you are getting a drink. Look into fuelbelts or camelbacks if you want (but don't wear the camelback without a shirt).

Seriously, though - smart coach and the related links there will tell you what to do and how to eat. GET TO IT!
 
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