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Mr.X
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a letter? or a note? (the pink note) domestic or international?
TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT
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JKurz1 said:
go get it
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JKurz1 said:
I guess it's fine; for the future, go get a mailbox at the UPS store or some other location, don't have things sent to your house - especially INT.
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JKurz1 said:
how long did it take to get to you? did it have a track #? and what was it? (i.e. if you ordered some pro-hormones vs. some bottles of liquid test)
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JKurz1 said:
oh overnight, don't worry about it then, go get it - but take my advice on future orders, don't have them sent to your house no matter how much you trust the source
patriots357
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JKurz1 said:
If it is gear, that you were supposed to recieve, i wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. I would state on the slip to redeilver on this date and leave it on the porch. Do not go downthere. that is my opinion......
Also, when they deliver the pack ensure that you aren't home just lurk around the bend and watch the activity of the postman. Sounds strange but it is worth preventing 3-5 years of ur life on hold.
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patriots357 said:
The package was shipped yesturday, he shouldn't have any problems...you're looking into the situation too deep.
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Mr.X said:
Exactly! When something is going down with PI's it slows the delivery. That is always your first tipoff.
If a delivery from Ny to Pa takes 3 weeks then you get the notice. DONT TOUCH IT WITH A 10FT POLE
chyllaxyn
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Mr.X said:
No disrespect intented but I disagree.
This is just my opinion but the way I see it, if you have a PO, it means you go there to pick up stuff. You’re not there to watch TV, and you’re in an uncontrollable, unfamiliar situation.
So if the PO is being watched you’re not likely to know it and you are going to be popped the minute you pick up the package. And there’s really no denying what you were doing there. I think PO boxes also cast an air of suspicion in general, something that will likely be brought up in court. Hey, If I were a fed that would the first question I asked, “So why do you have a PO anyway?”
On the other hand your house is your turf.
You know your mailman, you know the neighborhood, and your less likely to freak out.
So if some guy wearing an ATF wind breaker shows up at my door with some vials asking me to sign something I tell them I am not expecting any packages from Jelfa Poland and no he can’t come in.
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chyllaxyn said:No disrespect intented but I disagree.
This is just my opinion but the way I see it, if you have a PO, it means you go there to pick up stuff. You’re not there to watch TV, and you’re in an uncontrollable, unfamiliar situation.
So if the PO is being watched you’re not likely to know it and you are going to be popped the minute you pick up the package. And there’s really no denying what you were doing there. I think PO boxes also cast an air of suspicion in general, something that will likely be brought up in court. Hey, If I were a fed that would the first question I asked, “So why do you have a PO anyway?”
On the other hand your house is your turf.
You know your mailman, you know the neighborhood, and your less likely to freak out.
So if some guy wearing an ATF wind breaker shows up at my door with some vials asking me to sign something I tell them I am not expecting any packages from Jelfa Poland and no he can’t come in.
I think you're confusin subjectivity with reality here my friend. First of all, you're NOT getting a "PO box" = post office box, you're getting an MBE which is a REAL addresse, ie. instead of Jona Doe/PO Box 234/Ny,NY , you have Jona Doe/1234 Main St. #123/NY NY, looks like a real addy. Second, when you use the after hours pick up feature and you have the store sign for you, you have not taken liability for the package until you pick it up; thus, you can go into, let's say the mall (for example, you have a UPS store in the mall) and watch the situation before you do your pickup - things are more obvious in a public place. If you see gov. marked cars, that's obvious - now, on your end, you can DENY the package since there is NO proof you requested it or signed for it; thus, when comparing to your house where YOU live, you can just say - hey, I don't know who this is from sorry! now THEY have to prove that it's yours. Think of it this way, you COULD make a mistake and send a package to #123 instead of #125 right? so can other people; however, when it's going to your house and you sign for it on the spot - it's a LOT more obvious and a lot harder to battle against.
In most cases you don't even know your mailman or every car that passes by your house...at least for most people that's true, but if you have a location where you do pick-ups you can scout and see if everything is ok, even for a few days. If you're that paranoid, take notes and keep tabs on the place for 72hrs on and off, I'm sure you'll spot something if something is going down - think about it, if you are there at 3:30am do you think you wont notice the unmarked black car parked in front? I'm sure you would.
Not to say that MBEs are the end-to-all-worries, NO that would be a lie, but it's a LOT safer then sending it to your house, I'll tell you that much.
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PolfaJelfa
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Hey, MR. X
What happens in the event of a seizure letter being sent to MBE?
You think there would be no problems....or do you think something coudl go down ...like them sending a letter to MBE that somehting "fushy is going on"..and MBE can open your package technically if they need to...so ...i would personally fuc* MBE....
What happens in the event of a seizure letter being sent to MBE?
You think there would be no problems....or do you think something coudl go down ...like them sending a letter to MBE that somehting "fushy is going on"..and MBE can open your package technically if they need to...so ...i would personally fuc* MBE....
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PolfaJelfa said:
If it's seized, you'll most likely see it in the tracking # (stuck in customs), or, if not, you'll get a letter to the MBE NOT your house
. I doubt they would even know it's an MBE, look around in the US how many mail box places open all the time.Mr.X
WolfPack Charlie
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If it's from Canada, it is more than likely an xpress post delivery confirmation package. Normal delivery confirmation packages do not require a signature, but for some reason all foreign delivery confirmation packages require a signature. If you wanted to, you could just call the P.O. that delivers your mail and tell them to redeliver it and that you will leave the slip in your mailbox signed.
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PolfaJelfa
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I think the gov knows all the MBE adresses ....just my 002 bro
WolfPack Charlie
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Don't work like that brutha. The Package will be delivered by a person in a carrier uniform, wearing a carrier satchell, and driving a mail truck. Unless you know your mailman and his utility, you'll never see it coming.
Not necessarily true. Once the Postal Inspectors are on your tail, they get a warrant to open and or x-ray every package and or letter that comes to your address. They can be in your P.O. and have all that done in an hour or two, you'll never notice any delay.
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WolfPack Charlie said:
what country do you live in? A true CD (controlled delivery) in the USA can take up to 7 days...you can't just get a warrant in 2 hours, that's impossible unless he had 50Kilos of crack coming in. Give me a break, that's just total BS.
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True they can...shit... NSA can know how many pieces of papper you used today to wipe your ass.....buts its not practical bro..they wont do it....Unless there is a reason.....unless h eorders very frequently, is a source etc.....postal inspectors are not going to be survelencing him and tracking his movements , mailboxes, corespondences etc...for 1 package from canada.lol
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PolfaJelfa said:
Not everything is in a database...what if the pack is from FedEX not USPS, the beauracracy it goes through takes time (from privaty party carrier -> US customs -> appropriate action), trust me you'd know it's hot by the time they attempted delivery; for example, if he waited 10 days for a pack that was express from canada and it sat in customs for 8
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PolfaJelfa
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Pluss he can sleep safely ,,, he is a good bro just liek the rest of us who only orders medications with perscriptions.....
You are ok man dont wory
You are ok man dont wory
WolfPack Charlie
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You're high!! It just so happens that I know first hand, not from being busted but from helping out on the other end! You talk about what you know, and I will help out the best that I can with what I know.
WolfPack Charlie
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I never told him to worry, if a notice was left it's all good. The Postal Inspectors don't usually do business that way, I've never seen it done that way.
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WolfPack Charlie said:
I agree with you Mr X about all that....the times....that 1 da yis 99 % ok for small orders...im just saying they probibaly have database of mbe adresses....not that it pertains to this case....
I agree with you on thi spsot ...just not on the MBE thing....
As for Wolf Pack Charlie ......i dont know what to derive from your post
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PolfaJelfa
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are you saying you forked for Us Customs?
WolfPack Charlie
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I'm pretty sure it's called The United States
Like I said, once you get flagged, they get a single warrant to open or xray EVERY PACKAGE OR LETTER THAT COMES TO YOUR HOUSE. 50 kilos of crack???? C'mon man you moderate EF and leave postal info to me....I've seen it done over friggin BEANIE BABIES....yes beanie babies.
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Wold Pack Charlie ..good to hav eyou roppinion..no wif you could elaborate..how exactly you know this...( without revealing sensativ einfo)
WolfPack Charlie
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I used to deliver mail, and have seen it happen....once for steroids and also the above mentioned. Any more questions? I never said that you will automatically get busted the 1st time. All it takes is for a source to be busted, or even watched, and a list of all addresses shipped to made. Then they contact the local Postal Inspectors, who deal directly with the individuals receiving the packages.
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PolfaJelfa
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You do have to admit ther eis no way tha twill go down in 1 day
WolfPack Charlie
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Dude, I'm telling you I've seen it happen. They usually don't make the arrest on the 1st package right away unless they are certain it is a one time deal. They wait and see if you have any additional packages coming, and in some cases they will watch to see if you mail any out. Postal Inspectors don't always have to be present when x-raying or copying mail, supervisors can do that, upon request from PI. The chances are pretty good that it will not happen that fast, but it most certainly can.
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THis is an international package (Canada).....postal inspectors will not be messing with it...if it goes thru customs.....unless they have soem magical tip off.or there is radiation..or explosives that they can detect in there
Dude i agree with you if they have and want you (you are someon ebig) or they have an eye on you for a while...they can do soemthing...but..
Dude i agree with you if they have and want you (you are someon ebig) or they have an eye on you for a while...they can do soemthing...but..
WolfPack Charlie
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It just so happens that within the last 3 years, the P.O. has more than doubled it's efforts in this very area, drugs coming in from other countries. Postal reform is a very huge deal in every election, believe it or not. The USPS is trying to prove that not only can they provide a better service than a privatised company, but can handle these types of issues. Which includes recognizing where these drugs are coming from. Once they establish this, they simply watch the source of the outgoing parcels. They then compile a list of those receiving addresses, and alert local PI. Who in turn watch the local addressee. So if they know that someone is a known source, they will give all packages a "free ride" through customs knowing that they will have the name and address of the person to bust. Once all addresses are flagged, they can then make all busts. So wheteher it is foreign or domestic, it can not outrun a telephone call!!!
WolfPack Charlie
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Since it is been sent in the US mail stream, it is most certainly open to PI to track it.
chyllaxyn
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Mr.X said:
I did not know that ; I thought all POs were the same.
Granted a real address would look less suspicious, think I'll look into this MBE thing.
What about using a fake name?
I think that would be really bad, that's adding fraud and would imply guilt.
Not sure if that’s mail fraud or not, that would be worse still.
Mr.X said:
Rule#1 Never Ever Sign for Anything, so that I don't worry about.
I guess the trick is to be sure of the sender's methods.
Mr.X said:
Not sure if I agree, IMO more people = more potential threats.
It's not like one of those movie scenarios where you meet the bad guy in public so he doesn’t shoot you. j/k
I admit my perspective is skewed, I work at home, I jog to the gym, I do know my postman by name, I know my neighbors, my neighborhood, etc. That's probably not normal and I can see that would not be so safe if I lived in an apt or condo where lots of ppl are but I chill in a quiet little burb.
Mr.X said:
Your name is on it either way so I'm not sure it would matter.
I think you would agree, the moment of truth is when the package is in your hands. In my case I can check out the area before I get it out of my mail box which is reaching distance of my front door.
Where as if you are in public you're going to be walking around exposed.
( I know this sounds lame but usually my g/f or even my mom comes by, brings it in and lays it on the counter, I don’t do that intentionally though, OMG bad image bad image, mom would surely invite the feds in for coffee and pie )
Mr.X said:
You Noticed? LOL, You're not paranoid if they Really Are Out to Get You, Right ?
Bottom-line is if they want to pick you up then it's going to happen so weasel room is what were are looking for here.
You make some excellent points Mr X. I agree a post box would be a better choice for some ppl depending on your own situation. Either way I think we've given folks allot of facts to think about, thanks for the reply.
*pump*
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WolfPack Charlie said:
I'm sorry, you can claim to be the FBI, but I don't belive you - b/c you can't get a warrant in 2 hours for a bottle of test; now YOU trust me, I know the situation from very 'good' friends of mine...you could have been busted 100 times but if you know how the US government works you VERY well know that for a situation like this you can't obtain a warrant that fast, especially overnight (I'm talking about AS). You're claiming that they can get him on an overnight pack w/ probably a bottle of test and put the manpower into getting a warrant in 2hrs (almost impossible), come on quit the bullshit.
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chyllaxyn said:
Not all POs are the same, the private ones are much different fromt he USPS ones. If you used a fake name, most private MBEs accept the packs, but then if there is a CD they have to prove you were getting it. I.E. you're Jane Doe but the pack is for Stan Man
Most int. packages you have to sign for, so that's the conversation here - signing for packs at your house
Trust me, when a CD is going down, they are less likely to get you for obvious reasons at the UPS store then your house - not to say they wont get you the the U store, but the fact of the matter is that you're avoiding direct liability at the time you sign the package (obviously you're still liable in the end, but you're not signing for a pack at your own house, come on that must make sense to most of you)
Yes, but the conversation has to do w/ your house, what if you have 100 bottles of test in the house, the first thing they'd do is go in there; instead at the UPS store if you see the threat on the tracking you just don't pick it up and clean house.
Look above....at lost easier to try to cover tracks when it's not going to your house.
You Noticed? LOL, You're not paranoid if they Really Are Out to Get You, Right ?
Bottom-line is if they want to pick you up then it's going to happen so weasel room is what were are looking for here.
You make some excellent points Mr X. I agree a post box would be a better choice for some ppl depending on your own situation. Either way I think we've given folks allot of facts to think about, thanks for the reply.
I think, just like you, everyone can make their own choice, but in the end of the day, it only makes sense not to have AS sent to your house - not only for safety reasons but also, let's say you have family, if you do have a CD going down it's much smarter outside your house then in it, where let's say your son/daughter/wife/gf/bf is. IMO stick to safety as much as possible
Mr.X
chyllaxyn
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chyllaxyn said:
I was being funny, er, I was trying to
My point was, If I'm answering the door I don't have anything in my hand. And if someone is trying to hand me something I'm not playing.
My source also spells my name wrong. Happened the first time by accident but then I thought mmmm, that just enough of an error so that the postman still delivers it but wrong enough to present passable deniability. Don't use a completely fake name or your mailman may be a do-gooder and return it thinking it's the wrong person, been there done that, ugh that sucked. I just use first initial and last name slightly misspelled. Did I say I was paranoid?
WolfPack Charlie said:
Not sure what you mean by "confirmation package", I've never signed for a foreign delivery, never will. I'll have to ask what shipping method that is called overseas you've got me interested now b/c I've heard that allot.
chyllaxyn
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Mr.X said:
TRUE , only in America do criminals have more rights that us normal folk, ,, uh wait, scratch that.
But I do agree. Like PolfaJelfa said " its not practical " Exactly ! they got biggger fish to fry, if it weren't for Barry Bonds and company they would have never even looked this way.
On the other hand WolfPack is right, if they wanted to they could know your every move. Ever hear of Echelon and Carnivore?
chyllaxyn
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WolfPack Charlie said:
I don't think anyone doubts that they could get a search warrant very fast, less than 2 hours probably.
Given the new homeland security laws they can sneak in your home w/o your knowledge or knock on your door and hassle you as they please. I think X's point was that they typically do don't do those sorts of things unless you are a pretty big fish.
.RUN! IT'S GODZILLA!
It looks like Godzilla, but due to international copyright laws - it's not.
.STILL! WE SHOULD RUN LIKE IT IS GODZILLA!
Though it isn't.
chyllaxyn
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LOL we totally hijacked JKurz1's thread, sorry bro
Not my experience, but I agree with your point.
That would completely change my opinion; I would rather let the U store sign.
Another excellent point, you have given me a lot to think about. I am going to seriously reconsider delivery.
A.) I would not want anything going to my home if I had gear there.
B.) I don’t want to sign for anything, letting someone else is the way to go.
C.) If I was expecting 100 of anything I would let my dumb ass future brother-in-law get it
For me none of these apply but if they did I …. I think I’m going to get a box JIC
Mr.X said:Nost int. packages you have to sign for, so that's the conversation here - signing for packs at your house
Not my experience, but I agree with your point.
That would completely change my opinion; I would rather let the U store sign.
Mr.X said:
Another excellent point, you have given me a lot to think about. I am going to seriously reconsider delivery.
A.) I would not want anything going to my home if I had gear there.
B.) I don’t want to sign for anything, letting someone else is the way to go.
C.) If I was expecting 100 of anything I would let my dumb ass future brother-in-law get it
For me none of these apply but if they did I …. I think I’m going to get a box JIC
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chyllaxyn said:
LMFAO
meatneck
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just go get it. It's overnight - if there wasn't a delay in the "overnight " delivery - prolly no need to worry about it. But here's something to think about - if you get drugs delivered to your house, can the govt. legally seize your house? I know they can if you get caught dealing from yer house..just a thought..
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JKurz1 said:
don't worry
JKurz1
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THanks bro ....so it's signed and in my box.....what if they say we need you to come pick it up? Will they? They was a box for that, but it wasn't checked.........just weired out cause this is my 2nd order from this source and never got this before. Is that him asking for a confirmed delivery? Whats the worse that happens? I just play dumb and say I didnt order anything? Thought it was my supplement company order? (which I am waiting for too, but thats just protein).........
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JKurz1 said:
Jkurz1, most international you have to sign for one way or another, just relax and wait until tomorrow, don't let all the paranoia on this thread get to you - in the future use a drop box, but for now w/ OVERNIGHT shipping I doubt you'll have any problems.
Mr.X
WolfPack Charlie
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Nothing to worry about, but at least do me one favor. When you get the package, post here what type of service is on it. I can almost guarantee that if it is coming from Canada, it will be "EXPRESS POST" which requires a signature. And Mr X., when the fuck did I say I worked for the FBI, dumbest thing I ever heard. I'm pretty sure I said there was nothing to worry about in my earlier post, just wanted to contradict some of the bullshit that people who didn't know what they were talking about were spewing forth!! FBI.....fuckin jerk
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WolfPack Charlie said:
Quit bitching....you were acting like you know it all, bud there is no judge in the nation that will give a 2 hour warrant for a bottle of test - so don't come at us with your bullshit.
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JKurz1 said:
yes he SHOULD do that
JKurz1
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OKOKOKOK....enough.....Im the poor bastard that couldnt sleep last night and now you guys are giving me heartburn.............I've gotten a del. from canada (last month) and never got a letter, so that nixes that idea..........but you guys all are very knowledgeable and I appreciate the help!!! Let's talk about something else............if the package comes ok, I'll send you guys all a little domestic goodie.........
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lol, want this thread locked hahahaa
patsfan1379
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WolfPack Charlie said:
calling a mod a fukin jerk?
also here is another tip. get a box big enough so the postal worker will just slip the packsge into your po box (if the box wont fit in the po box, u have to sign for it, also when going domestic tell your source to ship it USPS so no sig is required and when i picked up stuff up i always like to pick it up at nite when i am only car in lot (i am just paranoid and feel safe when i am there alone
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tiger88 said:
if it wont fit in the box it has to be signed for?? i did not know that.
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JKurz1 said:
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