Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I finished a 12 week deca /test 500 each ew cycle back in April. My PCT nolv/clomid 40/40/20/20 -50/50/50/50, was finished in May. I just recently got BW done and my test and LH levels are extremely low, about half of the normal range! I just started another PCT to restart my body's LH/Test production. I was told by a vet from this site to start with HCG for 3 weeks, 250x 2 a week with aromisan to start, followed by weeks of clomid/nolva. My question is, if I am trying to restart my LH, wouldn't I want to blast it instead of low spread out doses? Something more along the lines of 500 HCG ed for 10 days, rather than spreading it out for weeks?
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infraredline
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The reason your LH is so low is because you had a shit pct. Not to mention you used nolvadex following a deca cycle.
I agree..but as far as a restart goes, you didn't answer my question. You stated info that I already know, with no actually advice.
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4 weeks Torem 90/60/60/30
4 weeks Unleashed
4 weeks Post cycle
4 weeks d-aspartic acid 3g
6 weeks Formastanzol 10 pumps daily
That actually doesn' sound half bad, but I already got the stuff to do
10 days 500iu hcg
I dont even know of that is neccissary, because my testes still feel like they bhave full size, but better safe than sorry.)
Along with the HCG I will be running aromasin .5 ed to keep estrogen levels down. Followed by clomid and nolva for 6 wweks, i will slowly taper down the doses as time goes on. does that sound feasible yo you?
10 days 500iu hcg
I dont even know of that is neccissary, because my testes still feel like they bhave full size, but better safe than sorry.)Along with the HCG I will be running aromasin .5 ed to keep estrogen levels down. Followed by clomid and nolva for 6 wweks, i will slowly taper down the doses as time goes on. does that sound feasible yo you?
3 weeks on HCG is two and half weeks too long.
Nolva and deca is a disaster.
Clomid blows.
Check out UNLEASHED and Protein Factory POST-CYCLE.
Nolva and deca is a disaster.
Clomid blows.
Check out UNLEASHED and Protein Factory POST-CYCLE.
And what were your test levels before the cycle?
hcg mimics LH. it will drop your LH down, not shoot it up. whoever told you otherwise.. well... i don't know what to say.. i guess thats where internet parroting gets you into trouble. since its mimics LH that means your T levels shoot up temporarily.. this is designed to give you a boost when you transition from cycle to pct, it isn't designed be anything permanent
nolva doesn't do shit, never use it again
clomid manipulates your body temporarily and again its designed as a bridge to keep you alive during pct.
in the end your main problem is you used deca. i know some guys on here will chime in that I am wrong blah blah blah but I am not cause i ran deca myself twice. deca takes a solid 6 weeks just to clear out of your body.. then you gotta factor in time HPTA to recover. so you are looking at a solid 3-4 month recovery from a deca cycle atleast. you ran a pct in may, for a cycle you finished in april.. go back to the timeline. you were still ON deca when you finished your pct!!! so what did that accomplish? NOTHING!! so lets say mid june deca cleared out.. you have been off for only 6 weeks.. so you really believe that 6 weeks with a shit pct is enough to get you recovered? hell no!! its gonna take you till Sept/Oct to recover
kso until then eep running pcts but stay the fuck away from SERM's and hcg. its too late to run those now.. now you need to allow your body to recover.
its time to bring out the whip and use phyto-serms and T stack RX. see my signature below for the banners and use those codes to save money. run those for the next month or two.. then take bloods again and you will be much improved. keep working out and keep eating right
in the future if you want to run deca then you might as well give up on cycling and just stay on. or another option is NPP instead. shorter ester and clears your body in 3 weeks and not 6 weeks..
cliff notes: you have only been off cycle for 6 weeks and thats not enough time to recover. and you need to run some natty supps to keep you motivated or you are gonna have no dick and you will quit the gym
nolva doesn't do shit, never use it again
clomid manipulates your body temporarily and again its designed as a bridge to keep you alive during pct.
in the end your main problem is you used deca. i know some guys on here will chime in that I am wrong blah blah blah but I am not cause i ran deca myself twice. deca takes a solid 6 weeks just to clear out of your body.. then you gotta factor in time HPTA to recover. so you are looking at a solid 3-4 month recovery from a deca cycle atleast. you ran a pct in may, for a cycle you finished in april.. go back to the timeline. you were still ON deca when you finished your pct!!! so what did that accomplish? NOTHING!! so lets say mid june deca cleared out.. you have been off for only 6 weeks.. so you really believe that 6 weeks with a shit pct is enough to get you recovered? hell no!! its gonna take you till Sept/Oct to recover
kso until then eep running pcts but stay the fuck away from SERM's and hcg. its too late to run those now.. now you need to allow your body to recover.
its time to bring out the whip and use phyto-serms and T stack RX. see my signature below for the banners and use those codes to save money. run those for the next month or two.. then take bloods again and you will be much improved. keep working out and keep eating right
in the future if you want to run deca then you might as well give up on cycling and just stay on. or another option is NPP instead. shorter ester and clears your body in 3 weeks and not 6 weeks..
cliff notes: you have only been off cycle for 6 weeks and thats not enough time to recover. and you need to run some natty supps to keep you motivated or you are gonna have no dick and you will quit the gym
This is the only board I have ever seen everyone so against serms. What are phytoserms? Not that I don;t believe you, but given this entire board not only goes against what has become pretty standard practice...but is quick to throw around pretty expensive non-mainstream products...it leaves me feeling a little uneasy.
phyto-serms is a natty supp. click the banner in my signature to learn more.
yes we are against SERM's but you are a perfect example of why. you ran clomid/nolva correct? and you aren't recovered correct?
also google "clomid made me feel like shit" or "nolva made me feel like shit" and see how many hits you see across the internet on every fitness board out there.
i actually had your exact experience.. i ran deca and then ran SERM pct. my recovery sucked. i explained to you in my previous post what to do and WHY your pct failed to a tee. so you can either follow that or continue to follow parroted information.. the choice is yours
I hae taken serms for pct on other cycles, along with millions of other people. And it helped me recover just fine. I think the issue has to do more with the nature of Deca rather than the effectiveness of SERMS. Google -serms for post cycle recovery and you will find a million articles saying that they work, so you are making a specious argument.
infraredline
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The only serm worth taking is toremifene since it has been shown to increase LH better then any other. Clomid will suffice if you cannot get torem. Also if you run a cycle with a 19-nor clomid should be used
Regarding nolvadex it does nothing to repair hpta, Dan Duccaine who was the first one to recommend using it even said that it was a crummy drug that does nothing to repair hpta and its only purpose was to help prevent gyno. Well now you have things like aromasin or formestane for that so there's no need for nolvadex anymore.
Unleashed and post cycle are like $30 each, that's not even that expensive.
It's 2013 bro you need to get out of the 80's regarding pct. We now have a full understanding of what a proper pct needs.
- a serm (preferably torem but clomid will suffice)
- a test booster that contains avenocosoides to boost free test
- a test booster for libido support/ testosterone boosting
- d-aspartic acid (shown to boost test levels by 40% in men over 60 which is the category one falls into in pct)
- a mild ai such as a transdermal formestane, 6-oxo, or aromasin dosed slightly lower then on cycle
Great post. Can't believe people are still wrapped up in this nolva/clomid combo still. There's so much more out there now that helps improve recovery without the nasty sides.
OK, what kind of test boosters do you recommend? I still know from experience that nolva/clomid works. I'm just fucked from this deca cycle because I didn't do a thorough enough PCT (at least for my body) But just because I back the nolva/clomid combo doesn't mean I'm not open to trying new things if they can possibly work better..other than DAA which I can get anywhere, can you please list the actual products you would use in a PCT stack, by brand name? I would def try
Seriously, what are some test boosters with avenocosoides, ill get it, and DAA tonight! If someone can give me a good recommendation. I'm still gonna do the nolva/clomid, but why not add that in, its gonna be working on different receptors in the body anyway if I am reading the research correct.
Like they said earlier, you shouldn't have used nolva with a 19nor. It increased expression of the progesterone receptor and may have made prolactin sides even worse for you. This probably contributed to your unsuccessful recovery.
Great test boosters that work:
Unleashed or Methyl EAA (both free up SHBG)
HCGenerate
Test Infusion
Forged MHO Poppers
Any form of DAA (By Premium Powders if you want a name brand)
Aromasin or Forma will boost test as well
I'm doing a 16 day HCG phase, with an AI, how does throwing in P6 by CELLUCOR into the mix sound to you guys? Since you are saying a natty test booster will help me. It's main ingriedients are DAA, L-alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine, 3,3-dindoylethane and a bunch of other stuff
infraredline
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I'm getting really f***ing tired of telling you the same thing over and over again.
4 weeks Torem 90/60/60/30
4 weeks Unleashed by protein factory
4 weeks Post cycle by protein factory
4 weeks d-aspartic acid 3g
6 weeks Formastanzol by mrsupps.com 10 pumps daily
Haven't heard of this one. Just read up on some reviews and see what results other guys had with it. I know you're skeptical, but I've had amazing success with recovery by stacking a multitude of different types of test boosters along with an a.i. like formestane or aromasin.
You guys have me convinced. I already have the clomid and the ai, I just picked up a natty test booster with DAA as the main ingrediant, what have I got to loose
I'm doing, arimidex, clomid, and a test booster from here on out for the next 6 weeks, so we will see how I'm feeling at the end. I was completely shut down from the Deca, so I seriously have nowhere to go but up from here.
