Post cycle hopoganadism

[stevesmi]

This is the only board I have ever seen everyone so against serms. What are phytoserms? Not that I don;t believe you, but given this entire board not only goes against what has become pretty standard practice...but is quick to throw around pretty expensive non-mainstream products...it leaves me feeling a little uneasy.

phyto-serms is a natty supp. click the banner in my signature to learn more.

yes we are against SERM's but you are a perfect example of why. you ran clomid/nolva correct? and you aren't recovered correct?

also google "clomid made me feel like shit" or "nolva made me feel like shit" and see how many hits you see across the internet on every fitness board out there.

i actually had your exact experience.. i ran deca and then ran SERM pct. my recovery sucked. i explained to you in my previous post what to do and WHY your pct failed to a tee. so you can either follow that or continue to follow parroted information.. the choice is yours

 

[NegroPops]

I have been thinking.. PCT just sucks in general lol

 

[jonnyg419]

phyto-serms is a natty supp. click the banner in my signature to learn more.

yes we are against SERM's but you are a perfect example of why. you ran clomid/nolva correct? and you aren't recovered correct?

also google "clomid made me feel like shit" or "nolva made me feel like shit" and see how many hits you see across the internet on every fitness board out there.

i actually had your exact experience.. i ran deca and then ran SERM pct. my recovery sucked. i explained to you in my previous post what to do and WHY your pct failed to a tee. so you can either follow that or continue to follow parroted information.. the choice is yours

I hae taken serms for pct on other cycles, along with millions of other people. And it helped me recover just fine. I think the issue has to do more with the nature of Deca rather than the effectiveness of SERMS. Google -serms for post cycle recovery and you will find a million articles saying that they work, so you are making a specious argument.

 

[infraredline]

I hae taken serms for pct on other cycles, along with millions of other people. And it helped me recover just fine. I think the issue has to do more with the nature of Deca rather than the effectiveness of SERMS. Google -serms for post cycle recovery and you will find a million articles saying that they work, so you are making a specious argument.

The only serm worth taking is toremifene since it has been shown to increase LH better then any other. Clomid will suffice if you cannot get torem. Also if you run a cycle with a 19-nor clomid should be used

Regarding nolvadex it does nothing to repair hpta, Dan Duccaine who was the first one to recommend using it even said that it was a crummy drug that does nothing to repair hpta and its only purpose was to help prevent gyno. Well now you have things like aromasin or formestane for that so there's no need for nolvadex anymore.

Unleashed and post cycle are like $30 each, that's not even that expensive.

It's 2013 bro you need to get out of the 80's regarding pct. We now have a full understanding of what a proper pct needs.

- a serm (preferably torem but clomid will suffice)
- a test booster that contains avenocosoides to boost free test
- a test booster for libido support/ testosterone boosting
- d-aspartic acid (shown to boost test levels by 40% in men over 60 which is the category one falls into in pct)
- a mild ai such as a transdermal formestane, 6-oxo, or aromasin dosed slightly lower then on cycle

 

[Jbranken]

The only serm worth taking is toremifene since it has been shown to increase LH better then any other. Clomid will suffice if you cannot get torem. Also if you run a cycle with a 19-nor clomid should be used

Regarding nolvadex it does nothing to repair hpta, Dan Duccaine who was the first one to recommend using it even said that it was a crummy drug that does nothing to repair hpta and its only purpose was to help prevent gyno. Well now you have things like aromasin or formestane for that so there's no need for nolvadex anymore.

Unleashed and post cycle are like $30 each, that's not even that expensive.

It's 2013 bro you need to get out of the 80's regarding pct. We now have a full understanding of what a proper pct needs.

- a serm (preferably torem but clomid will suffice)
- a test booster that contains avenocosoides to boost free test
- a test booster for libido support/ testosterone boosting
- d-aspartic acid (shown to boost test levels by 40% in men over 60 which is the category one falls into in pct)
- a mild ai such as a transdermal formestane, 6-oxo, or aromasin dosed slightly lower then on cycle

Great post. Can't believe people are still wrapped up in this nolva/clomid combo still. There's so much more out there now that helps improve recovery without the nasty sides.

 

[jonnyg419]

The only serm worth taking is toremifene since it has been shown to increase LH better then any other. Clomid will suffice if you cannot get torem. Also if you run a cycle with a 19-nor clomid should be used

Regarding nolvadex it does nothing to repair hpta, Dan Duccaine who was the first one to recommend using it even said that it was a crummy drug that does nothing to repair hpta and its only purpose was to help prevent gyno. Well now you have things like aromasin or formestane for that so there's no need for nolvadex anymore.

Unleashed and post cycle are like $30 each, that's not even that expensive.

It's 2013 bro you need to get out of the 80's regarding pct. We now have a full understanding of what a proper pct needs.

- a serm (preferably torem but clomid will suffice)
- a test booster that contains avenocosoides to boost free test
- a test booster for libido support/ testosterone boosting
- d-aspartic acid (shown to boost test levels by 40% in men over 60 which is the category one falls into in pct)
- a mild ai such as a transdermal formestane, 6-oxo, or aromasin dosed slightly lower then on cycle

OK, what kind of test boosters do you recommend? I still know from experience that nolva/clomid works. I'm just fucked from this deca cycle because I didn't do a thorough enough PCT (at least for my body) But just because I back the nolva/clomid combo doesn't mean I'm not open to trying new things if they can possibly work better..other than DAA which I can get anywhere, can you please list the actual products you would use in a PCT stack, by brand name? I would def try

 

[jonnyg419]

Seriously, what are some test boosters with avenocosoides, ill get it, and DAA tonight! If someone can give me a good recommendation. I'm still gonna do the nolva/clomid, but why not add that in, its gonna be working on different receptors in the body anyway if I am reading the research correct.

 

[Jbranken]

Seriously, what are some test boosters with avenocosoides, ill get it, and DAA tonight! If someone can give me a good recommendation. I'm still gonna do the nolva/clomid, but why not add that in, its gonna be working on different receptors in the body anyway if I am reading the research correct.

Like they said earlier, you shouldn't have used nolva with a 19nor. It increased expression of the progesterone receptor and may have made prolactin sides even worse for you. This probably contributed to your unsuccessful recovery.

Great test boosters that work:

Unleashed or Methyl EAA (both free up SHBG)
HCGenerate
Test Infusion
Forged MHO Poppers
Any form of DAA (By Premium Powders if you want a name brand)
Aromasin or Forma will boost test as well

 

[jonnyg419]

I'm doing a 16 day HCG phase, with an AI, how does throwing in P6 by CELLUCOR into the mix sound to you guys? Since you are saying a natty test booster will help me. It's main ingriedients are DAA, L-alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine, 3,3-dindoylethane and a bunch of other stuff

 

[infraredline]

I'm doing a 16 day HCG phase, with an AI, how does throwing in P6 by CELLUCOR into the mix sound to you guys? Since you are saying a natty test booster will help me. It's main ingriedients are DAA, L-alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine, 3,3-dindoylethane and a bunch of other stuff

I'm getting really f***ing tired of telling you the same thing over and over again.

4 weeks Torem 90/60/60/30
4 weeks Unleashed by protein factory
4 weeks Post cycle by protein factory
4 weeks d-aspartic acid 3g
6 weeks Formastanzol by mrsupps.com 10 pumps daily