pls read this mods,,sustain is useless???

[skaman007]

hi this is a response from hacksi a moderator on uk muscle forums,,.i would like your input,.i dont know how to paste it so will just copy it here.anybody wanting to read the original can look it up under uk muscle forums,,understanding pct by hacksi log.i posted a question asking him what he thought of pps products and there thoughts on using sustain and trs .heres what he replied,,
they are poo,poo.anyone that suggests serms are inferior to an otc product are just trying to push there bull crap on the general public.yes,i have read all the marketing crap of that product,and have come to the conclusion that it is junk.if the endo doctors use clomid at 100mgs a day.,and after 5-7 days this doubles lg response from the pituatary,and increases fsh up to 50%,how the hell can they say it is no longer needed and dangerous?no dangerous is using there bullshit products and waiting for yout t levels to return.bring them to the uk muscle forum for a debate,that will sort them out fast and easy.profiteers is all they are,,they dont care about you just your money!!!!
any responses?

 

[joe d]

that is the way of business. if one company has success and gets their head out a little past their competitors they all try to chop it off. it puts you in the spot light to trash talk a popular product. people love contrivercy.

 

[skaman007]

that is the way of business. if one company has success and gets their head out a little past their competitors they all try to chop it off. it puts you in the spot light to trash talk a popular product. people love contrivercy.

i understand what your saying,,but this guy is not A COMPETITIOR,,.JUST A SENIOR MODON UK MUSCLE FORUM,WHO STATES THAT NOTHING OVER THE COUNTER WILL GIVE THE SAME RESULTS AS CLOMID OR NOLVA,,.IT REALLY NEEDS THE PP GUYS TO DEBATE WITH HIM TO PROVE THEIR POINT,,YOU CANT JUST SAY ,,WELL READ THE USERS LOGS HERE!!!EVERY SITE HAS SPONSORS WHO SAY THAT.

 

[rikishi]

A lot of people here swear by Sustain. not just PP.

I have to use it for myself first, but until then I'm going to take EF bros words for it.

 

[skaman007]

A lot of people here swear by Sustain. not just PP.

I have to use it for myself first, but until then I'm going to take EF bros words for it.

yep and im with you on that ,,but it would be good to see someone with knowledge put this guy on the other site in his place,then.

 

[2evil]

yep and im with you on that ,,but it would be good to see someone with knowledge put this guy on the other site in his place,then.

Bro, there are a lot of hard heads on the Internet. For PP or a mod from here to troll through every forum and argue with people would be pointless.

Fact is, every new advancement meets resistance. It always has and always will. Hell, it took a few years for people to believe that Nolva could replace Clomid.

Eventually PP will have transdermal competitors. You know why? Because the delivery system and mechanism works and has solid science behind it. The luxury that PP has is a big head start.

If you search around the forums you'll find that for heavier cycles PP has recommended the TRS along with a low dose of Nolva. It wasn't until people on this board decided go without the Nolva and combine other OTC products that it became mainstream to dump Nolva all together here.

Peace.

 

[gixxerman]

i can vouch for the use of sustain...i have used both nolva and clomid after NUMEROUS cycles...and i have used the test recovery stack which uses sustain as its base after 2 cycles. my body has never ever recovered faster and kept most of my gains until i started using sustain as a PCT. its the best shit on the market and you'd be a fool to listen to that dumbass over on that other forum. Our mods on this site are top notch bro's and WOULD NOT point any of us in the wrong direction. They want us to be safe on and off our cycles....they want us to remain safe and they want to educate us on as much as possible. Hopefully Needto will jump on in and chime in!!

 

[gixxerman]

if anyone has any question about sustain....test recovery stack...or any other of PP's products, of which i have tried most of them...feel free to shoot me a PM and i will be happy to discuss the product and my results!!

 

[skaman007]

i can vouch for the use of sustain...i have used both nolva and clomid after NUMEROUS cycles...and i have used the test recovery stack which uses sustain as its base after 2 cycles. my body has never ever recovered faster and kept most of my gains until i started using sustain as a PCT. its the best shit on the market and you'd be a fool to listen to that dumbass over on that other forum. Our mods on this site are top notch bro's and WOULD NOT point any of us in the wrong direction. They want us to be safe on and off our cycles....they want us to remain safe and they want to educate us on as much as possible. Hopefully Needto will jump on in and chime in!!

ok after being here a while i realise its by far the most educated site,,i just wanted to put all doubt out of my mind.that is the trouble with being on numerous sites,,im sure that everyone on that other site is now of a mind that only clomid will do ,cos the top man there says so!!!!!needto amogst otheres has by far a superior rep ,so im good to go with this sites advice.i was and am still learning the best protocols,which means asking these awkward questions to you .thanks for reassuring me and not jumping down my throat.

 

[FuzzyGophar]

I can vouch for Sustain. I have used it for PCT twice and had great results, the people that say it is BS or doesn't work probably have not tried it.

 

[needtogetaas]

hi this is a response from hacksi a moderator on uk muscle forums,,.i would like your input,.i dont know how to paste it so will just copy it here.anybody wanting to read the original can look it up under uk muscle forums,,understanding pct by hacksi log.i posted a question asking him what he thought of pps products and there thoughts on using sustain and trs .heres what he replied,,
they are poo,poo.anyone that suggests serms are inferior to an otc product are just trying to push there bull crap on the general public.yes,i have read all the marketing crap of that product,and have come to the conclusion that it is junk.if the endo doctors use clomid at 100mgs a day.,and after 5-7 days this doubles lg response from the pituatary,and increases fsh up to 50%,how the hell can they say it is no longer needed and dangerous?no dangerous is using there bullshit products and waiting for yout t levels to return.bring them to the uk muscle forum for a debate,that will sort them out fast and easy.profiteers is all they are,,they dont care about you just your money!!!!
any responses?

BRO here is the thing. Ok I put together a little 4 man team. Me,nelson,PP,TAT I mean I could add in about 50 other top knowledge bro's but will just go with this little 4 person team. We get in hit hard and make the whole board look like fools.

Whats going to happen. Well a few things. Once they start getting knee deep in there own bullshit they will end up banning us for making them look retarded. I bet some post deleting will happen and some other shady shit too.. Its there board so of course all the local meat heads will root them on no matter how retarded they sound.

Myself and the others will just bring that site free advertising and make the place more exciting for the day.


All we will get out of the meat heads over there is more dumb shit like what was just posted above. Let me put what he just said in simple form.


He said and I quote" I have never researched shit. I have no idea what I am talking about. All I know is people have been using clomid and nolva for years so thats enough to get me buy. I have no idea what is in the pp products and I have no idea what they do. I lack original thoughts and knowledge , but as long as a stand by the very very easy argument that clomid has been used for years I can sounds like I have half a brain because most half brains will follow me"


This guy clearly did not do any research at all about the products. This guy is clearly has no idea what he is talking about. From his reply you can tell he puts no thought into anything he says. OMG use clomid and nolva lmao. Any dumb ass can defend that. Any dumb ass can try anyway. Look at what he just said. Look how simple minded it looks.

Stone age knowledge at its best. (clomid so old and so easy cave men use it) lololololol....


Run back and tell him if he wants to play with the big boys needto,nelson,tat and others are waiting for him over here. I will give them immunity from getting band as long as he is respectful and makes a promise to use big words and not the baby talk he might be used to.

I got to much to do to go chasing around other so called board experts. Hay maybe I am wrong. I do not go around putting others down. Its not my thing. I am just saying its easy to stand over on that board clamming he knows it all. When looking at his reply to you he made no attempt to debunk the products at all. He made no knowledgeable reply at all.

AGGG clomid aaagg used for years. Me a mod I know it all. please I got way to much to do then go looking to pick a fight with something like that.

 

[needtogetaas]

ok after being here a while i realise its by far the most educated site,,i just wanted to put all doubt out of my mind.that is the trouble with being on numerous sites,,im sure that everyone on that other site is now of a mind that only clomid will do ,cos the top man there says so!!!!!needto amogst otheres has by far a superior rep ,so im good to go with this sites advice.i was and am still learning the best protocols,which means asking these awkward questions to you .thanks for reassuring me and not jumping down my throat.

Bro I have explained how sustain alpha works a thousand times and I will prob have to do it a thousand more times. The ingredents have been around a long long time and they have been placed in a new delivery system. The science is all there and the results and feedback from real people are there too.

His remarks shows little to no knowledge of any kind. You could get that basic reply from any tome dick and hairy on any board across the net. Shit you could have got a reply like that from a my grandmother. Not even worth the least of this sites members time to even look at that post let alone go over there and talk with him.

If thats the best they got then well there is your answer as to how much knowledge and time they put into things.

 

[the_alcatraz]

That was the ultimate respectful and polite pwning ^^

 

[skaman007]

Bro I have explained how sustain alpha works a thousand times and I will prob have to do it a thousand more times. The ingredents have been around a long long time and they have been placed in a new delivery system. The science is all there and the results and feedback from real people are there too.

His remarks shows little to no knowledge of any kind. You could get that basic reply from any tome dick and hairy on any board across the net. Shit you could have got a reply like that from a my grandmother. Not even worth the least of this sites members time to even look at that post let alone go over there and talk with him.

If thats the best they got then well there is your answer as to how much knowledge and time they put into things.

thanks for your tactful response guys,,i will not be using that site anymore,and apologise for my ignorance in giving them airtime.

 

[gixxerman]

PP does not fuck around. alot of research goes into their products. dont listen to others who have not tried it for themselves..they will be biased.

 

[dabuffguy]

I'll just sit over here and enjoy my PP products.

Enough has already been said.

 

[MichaelScott]

stuff seemed to work for me real good

 

[gixxerman]

all you gotta do is look all over this damn board...theres a shit ton of reviews on sustain and the whole PP product line. DONE DEAL!

 

[SwitchMan]

This is the best site there is for knowledge bro. Some bad apples here and there in the form of shitty responses, but most of the time they are telling you the truth you just didn't want to here. When it comes to the senior bros you never get a response that isn't researched, helpful, honest, and unbiased. If they support a product it's because it works and they have tried it. I have never used sustain before but it is the biggest part of my pct in my upcoming Monsterdrol cycle. It isn't the main ingredient in my pct by blind faith!!! I trust the good bros on elite and the research I've done on the forum to make my decision. This doesn't mean I don't believe in nolva just that sustain is perfect for what I need.

 

[needtogetaas]

This is the best site there is for knowledge bro. Some bad apples here and there in the form of shitty responses, but most of the time they are telling you the truth you just didn't want to here. When it comes to the senior bros you never get a response that isn't researched, helpful, honest, and unbiased. If they support a product it's because it works and they have tried it. I have never used sustain before but it is the biggest part of my pct in my upcoming Monsterdrol cycle. It isn't the main ingredient in my pct by blind faith!!! I trust the good bros on elite and the research I've done on the forum to make my decision. This doesn't mean I don't believe in nolva just that sustain is perfect for what I need.

thanks bro

 

[the_alcatraz]

This is the best site there is for knowledge bro. Some bad apples here and there in the form of shitty responses, but most of the time they are telling you the truth you just didn't want to here. When it comes to the senior bros you never get a response that isn't researched, helpful, honest, and unbiased. If they support a product it's because it works and they have tried it. I have never used sustain before but it is the biggest part of my pct in my upcoming Monsterdrol cycle. It isn't the main ingredient in my pct by blind faith!!! I trust the good bros on elite and the research I've done on the forum to make my decision. This doesn't mean I don't believe in nolva just that sustain is perfect for what I need.

Thank you for your trust in EF.

 

[OneBreath]

The dude's words said it all. "I have read the marketing materials and have come to the conclusion....."

With a treatment like PCT, where there is not wealth of research to rely on, experience trumps the long standing old school ideas.

I'll also vouch for sustain.

 

[walliwalibus]

Just goes to show how lucky we have it here. It's funny how people tend to say stupid poo about stuff they don't know (cough cough). That's why I trust my these EF'ers. Man I tell ya know, they go all out for us posters here and I have nothing but respect for those involved in doing so.

EF is the only thing needed in a fitness website, whether its lose weight, pack on muscle, or whatever. They have just about everything covered, except your actually doing it. I won't visit another place that even tries to be like EF....... HA the quote was funny when the dude actually admitted he had no idea about the product. LMAO with a WTF

 

[SpyWizard]

hi this is a response from hacksi a moderator on uk muscle forums,,.i would like your input,.i dont know how to paste it so will just copy it here.anybody wanting to read the original can look it up under uk muscle forums,,understanding pct by hacksi log.i posted a question asking him what he thought of pps products and there thoughts on using sustain and trs .heres what he replied,,
they are poo,poo.anyone that suggests serms are inferior to an otc product are just trying to push there bull crap on the general public.yes,i have read all the marketing crap of that product,and have come to the conclusion that it is junk.if the endo doctors use clomid at 100mgs a day.,and after 5-7 days this doubles lg response from the pituatary,and increases fsh up to 50%,how the hell can they say it is no longer needed and dangerous?no dangerous is using there bullshit products and waiting for yout t levels to return.bring them to the uk muscle forum for a debate,that will sort them out fast and easy.profiteers is all they are,,they dont care about you just your money!!!!
any responses?

So?? has this mod noob ever lost vision due to using clomid?? or nolva?? does he experience any negative sides from using these 2 prescribed substances??

What?? he doesn't say?? he just bashes a product that he has never used due to ?? what ?? PP didn't send him a sample or ask his opinion??

thats what i read out of it..