PLEASE help me design a 16 week pre contest stack

[jc21]

hey vegeta quit writing so much!!! i cant read that much

anyway...just because the first 10 weeks of the cycle is a "bulking cycle" doesnt mean you can't diet during it. people put too much emphasis on whether it is a bulking cycle or not...who cares i can cut up on any drug out there..it is all in the diet. and bodyfat % is a bunch of crap too..there is no real way to test it anyway. you are correct that 8 weeks isnt enough to cut down properly, but 12 is.

i dont know any pro's but i do now a few high level amatuers that would laugh their asses off at that stack if i told them to do it. where do you get that pro's dont do a lot of gear..come on. as for most pro's being under 12% year round. yeah right. i have saw chris cormier, kevin levrone, ronnie coleman, at about 12% or above in person. and i have seen pics of lee priest and shawn ray above that too. sorry bro but you are living in a fantasy world if you think bodybuilding is about being ripped year round.

ok kid i will give you the truth from what i see you have no chance of winning the whole show. at 5'11 and being a middle weight there should be no way you should win your class, but you could do alright at novice. but you know what it will be good experience, i have done shows and not won, it is still fun.

 

[B-legit]

ok kid i will give you the truth from what i see you have no chance of winning the wh

j.c., i really appreciate your knowledge and character on helping me out for this. I totally agree with you that I will eat WAY clean when im hitting those high androgens, and i know that there will be some size to come from that!
Sorry to say that if i go into the show i will go into the show with every intention of winning the class i enter. Who would want to enter with the mentality of losing??? I sure wouldn't (how could you put 100% effort into it then??? I really think that with the cycle you provided (give or take)there will be some major upsets when i step onstage. NO MATTER WHAT!

Did you see what i wrote about running the fina along with the winny the last 6 weeks or so?

 

[Vageta]

I think you misinterpreted a few of my comments. I wasn't implying that bodybuilders stay ripped all year long, in fact I'd consider 12% for a bodybuilder to be fat. My point was they start their diets at 12% or most likely higher and it still takes them 12-16 weeks to hit their target. Also of course they take huge amounts of drugs, they are pros are get paid to do it which is another one of my points. It takes them that long to get ripped even while doing crazy cycles, huge amounts of HGH and other drugs. This guy is wanting to do it in shorter time than the pros do and I honestly doubt if he knows his body the way the pros do, they have had years of practice.

You are right that there doesn't have to be such a hard line between cutting and bulking. I am one to know, I've dieted with both Fina and Oxandrolone and put muscle on both times. However the fact is if you are planning on putting some muscle on while dieting then you aren't losing fat as fast as possible. I lost fat while gaining muscle but I know if I had strictly concentrated on the fat loss I'd have lost it even faster, just without the extra LBM gains.

If you want to get ripped in the shortest amount of time possible then you have to go into the diet with that goal in mind. I highly doubt pros attempt to put on any size during their pre-contest diet they're just trying their damndest to keep what they have. A pre-contest cycle is a time to shed the rest of your bodyfat and keep what muscle you have, not a time to attempt to put on more muscle while trying to shed some fat.

B-legit I wish you the best of luck in your show, I just don't see how you can expect to be in contest shape in 16 weeks going about it the way you plan. I don't see how you gain enough extra muscle at the same time you're attempting to drop 7-8% bodyfat. I just think you're expecting more than what is possible. You said yourself you're not big enough to win, so how much more muscle do you think it will take? 10, 15, 20 pounds? It'd take at least 10 to notice that much of a difference and that kind of LBM in short order isn't so easy to accomplish, especially when trying to cut the fat.

I'm not here to tear anyone down, I am trying to be a realist in the matter. My point is if the pros(who have been doing this for years, work with the best strength coaches and nutrition experts, have access to more drugs than we can dream of and don't have to work regular jobs so they can devote every waking hour to their contest) can't even achieve what you want don't you think it's a bit arrogant to think you can do it so easily? Either your a genetic freak and a genious or need to wake up and realize it's not as easy as you make it out to be.

 

[DNIndustry]

My answer is going to be short but not sweet.

Id say wait on the show. Not to be a prick but at your height you should be like 195 contest weight.
You will be alot smaller than the other guys in your weight class and a little taller. It would be a waste of all that hard work.
I am speaking from personal experience.
I am 6'3" 262lbs @ 10%bf. If I were to try and prep without adding LBM i would be 245 @ 4%bf. Might sound big..but I am a good few inches taller than everyone else on stage.
I am not going to compete untill I am 305@12%bf. Then prep to 280@4%bf.
Dieting isnt easy and I dont like to waste my time if I dont know that I can win!

 

[B-legit]

look guys,
i have been training for about 4 years non-stop and would like to try out a local competition for FUN! What i do know is that i react pretty well gear, and know that the contest will be a good learning experience for me. I was thinking that at 200lbs., 12% bf i could hit the androgens pretty good for the first 8-10 weeks and get to 215-220 AND AT LEAST KEEP MY BODYFAT THE SAME OR MAYBE DROP 1-2%. So are you guys telling me that i would NOT be able to drop4-5% b.f. in the remaining 6-8 weeks??? Even if I came in at around 5-6% i would be very happy, and would feel confident about doing decently. Remember that the show is for fun and experience. I think this plan is feasable???

 

[DNIndustry]

How many Cycles have you done before?
Of what?

 

[Vageta]

B-Legit, I'm not saying your plan isn't good, I just think you need more time. I don't see how you can conceivably drop from 12% to 4-5% bodyfat in 6-8 week regardless what you do. If you managed to drop that much fat it would take a lot of muscle with it due to the short time.

You can go from 18% to 12% in 8 weeks but we all know it gets slower as you get lower so I just don't think you could make it. Personally my body starts putting up a fight at 12% and I have to crack down. However I have no clue what your metabolism is like, how low of a bodyfat % you've reached before, etc.. If you think you can make it then by all means give it a shot, but losing that much bodyfat that quickly will mean muscle loss no matter how you do it. I'd hate to see you lose all the muscle you worked so hard on putting on the first 8 weeks.

 

[haxedout]

why no FINA guys?

 

[jc21]

i believe in the cycle i put, that fina can be exchanged for winny. i will use both in my pre contest prep.

 

[mvmaxx]

sorry, novice middle or heavyweight. The heavyweight last year was shit so i might try to hang with the big boys.

Sorry bro but I don't think you're going to "hang with the big boys". Not if your 195 right now. I didn't go last year but I believe Carl from the Rocklin Max Muscle competed in the Sac show and that dewd is YOLKED!! He's competing at the Mr. USA this year.

This isn't a flame bro I wish you the best. You've got balls! Cause as of right now I'm the same height and bf% as you but I'm sittin at 210 and I wouldn't consider competing. I don't really consider the Sac show that small. The Folsom show is much smaller, although you're supposed to be natural. yeah right

Anyway, good luck bro. Do you get tested at Incentive Fitness? They do the hydrostatic (underwater) testing.