Please Critique My Cycle

[standard_donkey]

Background

Age: 21
Height 5'9
Weight 215
Training 5 years


weeks 1-3 or 4 if I can handle it
methyltrienolone 750mcg ED

Weeks 1-6
test prop 70mg a week with ED shots
tren ace 1750mg a week with ED shots

Weeks 7-8
test prop 500mg a week ED shots
tren ace 2250mg a week ED shots
Masteron Prop 500mg a week ED shots

weeks 1-8
adex (if it is even needed at all which it most likely will not be) .25mg a week (will up dose in weeks 7-8 to .5mg eod)
caber .5mg 2x a week


3 days after last shot of prop

Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20 with adex taper


I have run as much as 1050mg of tren ace a week in previous cycles along with low dose test. The only side effects I experience while on this dosage were night sweats.

This is an 8 week cycle, with a proposed 6 week long pct in order to ensure recovery.

My question is, what are the inherent risks of running this much tren?

 

[thebigoz]

I'm thinking your calculations are way off. Your Tren Ace dosages are mental, man. 250mg ED the first 6 weeks, then over 300mg ED the last two weeks? 70mg of Prop EW? lol

This cycle looks like a mess to me. Recalculate, dude.

Also, what are your goals for this cycle? You're HEAVY for 5'9". What's your bf% like? And you're only 21, good lord!

 

[standard_donkey]

I'm thinking your calculations are way off. Your Tren Ace dosages are almost mental, man. 250mg ED the first 6 weeks, then over 300mg ED the last two weeks? 70mg of Prop EW? lol

Also, what are your goals for this cycle? You're HEAVY for 5'9". What's your bf% like? And you're only 21, good lord!

This cycle looks like a mess to me. Recalculate, dude.

What do you suggest?

Well yeah Im heavy..I lift weights and use steroids.. My Bf? idk never measured.

My goals are to get big and lean.. not very imaginative I know..

I take it you have never heard of high tren low test cycling.

 

[thebigoz]

Most people don't exceed 75mg ED for Tren Ace. You're talking about 3-4 times that much. Also, front loading with Methyl Tren isn't really necessary. You're already running a tough cycle.

What are your goals? What is your bf% like?

 

[standard_donkey]

Most people don't exceed 75mg ED for Tren Ace. You're talking about 3-4 times that much. Also, front loading with Methyl Tren isn't really necessary. You're already running a tough cycle.

What are your goals? What is your bf% like?

You are right, However in my first post I mentioned that I ran a little more than 1g of tren ace a week with roughly 100mg of test prop with no side effects except for night sweats, and recovery went smoothly.

I have not measured my bodyfat, but if I were to guesstimate...(which I realize is a retarded thing to do but..you asked) I'd have to place it around 12-14% (Veins in arms, shoulders, traps...forehead lol)


So you are suggesting that I lower my dosage to 75mg ED..I respect your perspective, but I must ask, why is it that you feel this is best? (I know most people don't exceed that dosage, but I feel it is because they fear the side effects that are commonly associated with tren.)

 

[thebigoz]

5'9" and 215lbs. You must be an absolute BEAST, or you're carrying a lot of bodyfat.

Again, what are your goals?

 

[standard_donkey]

5'9" and 215lbs. You must be an absolute BEAST, or you're carrying a lot of bodyfat.

Again, what are your goals?

weight wise?

220 @ 7% bodyfat

Lifts wise?

Benchpress 375/450
Deadlift 500/600
Overhead press 265/315

 

[FT10]

You are right, However in my first post I mentioned that I ran a little more than 1g of tren ace a week with roughly 100mg of test prop with no side effects except for night sweats, and recovery went smoothly.

I have not measured my bodyfat, but if I were to guesstimate...(which I realize is a retarded thing to do but..you asked) I'd have to place it around 12-14% (Veins in arms, shoulders, traps...forehead lol)


So you are suggesting that I lower my dosage to 75mg ED..I respect your perspective, but I must ask, why is it that you feel this is best? (I know most people don't exceed that dosage, but I feel it is because they fear the side effects that are commonly associated with tren.)

There comes a point for all steroids where increasing the dosage will not necessarily yield any increase in benefits compared to the sides. I've never tried tren before, but I understand that the sweet spot for it is around 75mg ED for most people. Also, if i were you, I would drop the methyltrienolone. Doctors stopped prescribing it to their patients because it was unreasonably toxic! If you have your heart set on tren, I say run a classic test/tren cycle. You can easily bulk or cut, and if you've ran tren before, you should be able to manage the sides. Just my two cents...

 

[standard_donkey]

Thank you both for your reponses

However, Im starting to feel that people are not reading what I wrote about my previous experience with tren lol.

I understand the thinking behind the "classic test/tren cycle"...dosages probably ranging from 800mg of test prop and 500mg of tren ace a week or so.

However, in my experience and in the experiences of other members of steroid boards that I belong to, running a replacement dose of test greatly increases the amount of tren you can inject every week, while simultaneously dramatically reducing the side-effects that you experience.



Again, people are generally very concerned about the side effects of tren (high blood pressure, insomnia, breathlessness, loss of appetite etc..), but while using 1 gram of tren ace every week (combined with a replacement dose of test prop)...I only experienced night sweats. Is that not significant?

 

[Faststangxxx]

You're too young! Why do you think you need steroids, especially at those dosages? I'm 30, and 275lbs, and I wouldn't use that much. (and no I'm not fat...)

 

[standard_donkey]

You're too young! Why do you think you need steroids, especially at those dosages? I'm 30, and 275lbs, and I wouldn't use that much. (and no I'm not fat...)

Because I have not yet heard a good reason not to.

I have two cycles under my belt thus far, both gave me very little side effects, and both were recovered from without a hitch.

1
weeks 1-8 test prop 700mg EW
weeks 1-6 dbol 50mg ED
weeks 1-8 adex .5mg EOD
3 days after last injection nolva 40/40/20/20

2
weeks 1-8 test prop 70mg EW
weeks 1-8 tren ace 1000mg EW
weeks 1-6 tbol 100mg ED
caber .5mg 2x EW
3 days after last shot pct nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20

For some reason...1g of tren ace EW is considered a really "dumb" thing to do, but myself, and several other people who I know of have ran such a dose without a hitch.

 

[thebigoz]

If you're that set on running the Ace @ 150mg ED, then I would run:

1-8 Test Prop @ 75mg ED
1-8 Tren Ace @ 150mg ED
1-8 Mast Prop @ 50mg ED

There's no reason to ramp up the dosages for the last two weeks. It will likely only hinder your recovery. Maintain even blood levels the entire time.


I'd also be taking HCG mid-cycle.


My PCT would include AT A MINIMUM(4-6 weeks):

Unleashed
Post-Cycle
Forma-Stanzol

 

[standard_donkey]

If you're that set on running the Ace @ 150mg ED, then I would run:

1-8 Test Prop @ 75mg ED
1-8 Tren Ace @ 150mg ED
1-8 Mast Prop @ 50mg ED

There's no reason to ramp up the dosages for the last two weeks. It will likely only hinder your recovery. Maintain even blood levels the entire time.


I'd also be taking HCG mid-cycle.


My PCT would include AT A MINIMUM(4-6 weeks):

Unleashed
Post-Cycle
Forma-Stanzol

I will look into those pct supplements you suggested. In my original post I mentioned that my pct WILL be 6 weeks consisting of nolvadex (and perhaps some of the supplements you mentioned).

Come to think of it, I agree with your comment about ramping up the dosages in the last 2 weeks. I just have this test prop/tren ace/masteron prop mix, 1 gram of each in my dresser that I am trying to get rid of.

 

[Faststangxxx]

The reason not to? 1. No way you have reached your natural potential!!! 2. You could fuck yourself up permanently at your age, imagine never being able to get an erection for the rest of your life.
Your hormones are a very delicate balance, and your test levels at 21 are through the roof.
But dont listen to us, I only have 15 years of lifting under my belt...

 

[thebigoz]

I thought it might be a blend. What is it dosed at per ml?

Don't run with Nolva only for your PCT. The cycle is relatively heavy. The products above will cost <$100 total.

 

[standard_donkey]

I thought it might be a blend. What is it dosed at per ml?

Don't run with Nolva only for your PCT. The cycle is relatively heavy. The products above will cost <$100 total.

it is dosed at 50/50/50 per ml

 

[standard_donkey]

The reason not to? 1. No way you have reached your natural potential!!! 2. You could fuck yourself up permanently at your age, imagine never being able to get an erection for the rest of your life.
Your hormones are a very delicate balance, and your test levels at 21 are through the roof.
But dont listen to us, I only have 15 years of lifting under my belt...

Im not arguing with you.

1. I couldn't really care less about.

2. That is illogical, say I do mess up my HPTA and cannot naturally produce testosterone..Then I go on TRT. While I do not consider TRT a "safety net"...there is always a way out.

Guys my age go on TRT all the time...most because they are uneducated and go with a Deca-only cycle with no prolactin inhibitor OR pct lol.

 

[standard_donkey]

Alright BigOz you have convinced me to use a more moderate dose


This is a cutting and recomp cycle after all, so here goes:

Weeks 1-3
Methyltrienolone 750mcg (I just really wanna give this a go)

Weeks 1-8
test prop 70-100mg EW (I really want to keep the sides from the tren low, as it is a cutting cycle I am going to need to breathe in order to do HIIT for cardio because I am carb-cycling)

tren ace 1250mg EW
caber .5mg 2x EW
adex .1mg E3D

Pct nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20 with adex taper and some of the supps that you mentioned.

 

[ishaq]

you seem educated and know what your talking about, but just because you can handle the sides doesnt mean that one of the strongest potent steroids isnt fuckin you up, your running what in my eyes is a silly cycle im same age as you and yes you are already a beast as mentioned, but unfortunately as ive seen time and time again youll burn out along time before you should, whereas building up small amounts over time will keep you goin much longer and stronger, just my 2 pence (uk) lol

 

[Judo Tom]

not trying to hurt feelings but that is a very bad cycle and a very bad method to use to make decisions.

if an alcoholic came to you and said i drank a bottle of vodka a night but didnt get liver damage ...so now I am just going to start drinking 2 bottles.. lots of people do it.. so what.. if i get liver cancer ill just get a transplant or something.. no big deal.

you really need to learn how to use the least amount of drugs possible in order to get results. if not you are relying on the drugs and not enough on your diet and training and you will suffer consequences.

 

[thebigoz]

In situations like this, the best we can do is discourage such high dosages. We're not going to stop him from doing a cycle at all, so we can only try and lessen the possible damage.

 

[Faststangxxx]

It's obvious he does not understand the power of these compounds. To try to run 2g of tren a week and only do OTC pct with a little nolva, is just an uneducated mistake that can harm your body permanently. What ever happened to running simple test cycles until you actually need these stronger compounds? Why are "kids" starting with tren and other "hard" compounds?

 

[phenom16]

Fastang you make perfect sense here. 21 years old and third cycle including already running tren? Trust me dude you are on a serious collision course with your balls. What is up with all these kids on here lately? "I'll just go on trt." yeah no big deal at 21. Wait till you are 30 and you and your wife want kids and you can't cuz you effed with too much juice when you were 21 and under. Youth IS wasted on the young.

 

[RADAR]

Fastang you make perfect sense here. 21 years old and third cycle including already running tren? Trust me dude you are on a serious collision course with your balls. What is up with all these kids on here lately? "I'll just go on trt." yeah no big deal at 21. Wait till you are 30 and you and your wife want kids and you can't cuz you effed with too much juice when you were 21 and under. Youth IS wasted on the young.

I agree 100% I'm almost 3 times your age, You deserve everything thats comming to you ,such reckless behavor,and don't think you can weasel your way out of this mess last by resorting to HRT because you're way wrong!

 

[obsessedwliftin]

Ok 1250mg Tren Ace a week? Did I read this correctly? At 21? Dude I have done ALOT of Tren cycles and I would never run that much Tren. Just because the bullet didn't hit you the first time doesn't mean it is not still out there waiting for you. I run 100mg eod of Tren Ace with great results. The dosages you are showing for your cycle are incredibly high. I would strongly recommend that you rethink this ASAP.

 

[moya]

can i ask a question to the OP, and i would expect honest answers...
what were your stats before your first cycle,
after your first cycle,
and before your second started???

i dont think it would be wise to DOUBLE the tren dose at all... just because you can handle the sides at 1g, dosnt mean you are getting the full benefit ...and does not mean you will get double the results...
i would think you could get reasonably similar results even lowering the dose...
your goals are realistic if you work hard bro... but not to bust your balls, with the type of gear you are running and your size, you should already be deadlifting 500 for reps... yes i understand your strength isnt the main goal, but it does serve as a means to an end...
i would also be curious to know your diet, at least your macro's...
...we can set you up with a killer cycle, i think yours just needs a little tweaking...

 

[Faststangxxx]

Thanks for the backing guys, but I morally couldnt just sit back on this one...