Beast and Diesal aren't PH's. They're legal real steroids -- for now. By this time next year they'll be a long lost memory.
Actually, orals mg per mg, are stronger than testosterone. Compare 350 mgs of test a week to 50 mgs of dbol a day. No freaking contest!!!
But I contend, orals are harsher on the liver AND KIDNEYS than even realized. They have their place but cycles longer than 8 weeks with over 50 mgs a day is not wise IMO.