People that wear crosses

[Extra_Strong]

people that wear crosses ...
"you think that's really what christ wants to see when he comes back?

that'd be like wearing a rifle pin to commemorate john f. kennedy."

Bill Hicks

 

[KillahBee]

yeah, cause the church doesn't use that image to promote it's organization. at all. ever.

 

[H_T_]

.........

 

[ziggyziggy]

If there is a god, and in my lifetime I have grown to think that there is not, I am sure he can look down and see that by using a cross, those that believe in him are showing their faith.

Zig

 

[*MissFit*]

I have a cross tatoo on my lower back..

Jesus loves me (K)

he told me so

(a)

 

[Extra_Strong]

Just a thought .. kisses

 

[milo hobgoblin]

I can make a cross with my fingers.. does he love me too?

 

[curling]

I don't think the cross is too bad but crucifixs are out of the question. Christ ain't on a cross He beat that sucker and now He is sitting on the rightside of God waiting for God to send Him back to earth to reign.

 

[foreigngirl]

Just a thought .. kisses

a10j10?

 

[swole]

people that wear crosses ...
"you think that's really what christ wants to see when he comes back?

that'd be like wearing a rifle pin to commemorate john f. kennedy."

Bill Hicks

stupid people that post...
"you really think we give a fuck about u?

haha that's funny."

swole

 

[Evil_Frisky]

people that wear crosses ...
"you think that's really what christ wants to see when he comes back?

that'd be like wearing a rifle pin to commemorate john f. kennedy."

Bill Hicks

Whatever

I won't even go into what the cross means cause if you don't already know then you don't fugging care

 

[coldblue1955]

well christ wants us to worship by faith not by sight. So you don't have to have a religouis item to worship. Just have faith.

 

[Evil_Frisky]

well christ wants us to worship by faith not by sight. So you don't have to have a religouis item to worship. Just have faith.

you DON'T worship the cross. It is not a sign of worship, I sure don't knwo where you are hearing this.

 

[alien amp pharm]

you DON'T worship the cross. It is not a sign of worship, I sure don't knwo where you are hearing this.

Get on your knees woman!

and no, not to worship me......well you might afterwards.

 

[Evil_Frisky]

Get on your knees woman!

and no, not to worship me......well you might afterwards.

Thats the funniest thing you've said in months.

 

[jnevin]

Why focus on someone's death instead of their life?

 

[Evil_Frisky]

Why focus on someone's death instead of their life?

Its not focused on his 'death' but what him dying did for me.

Why do you keep you dead ancestors ring, china, furniture?

 

[jnevin]

Its not focused on his 'death' but what him dying did for me.

Why do you keep you dead ancestors ring, china, furniture?

I don't. The past is the past. I remember their life.

What has his dying done? Proof needed.

 

[Extra_Strong]

Whatever

I won't even go into what the cross means cause if you don't already know then you don't fugging care

goodness every one. " like the whole world doesn't know what the cross represents sheesh.. I it just the idea of it looking in. kinda seem funny that you would wear what killed him I mean if you believe in that kinda thing in the 1st place.

stupid people that post...
"you really think we give a fuck about u?

haha that's funny."

swole

U'mm I dont really understand what this means?

I was talking about the cross see what i wrote? and comparing it to JFK

I am suprised no one said JFK is not God rrrrrrrr ha ha..

Its not focused on his 'death' but what him dying did for me.

Why do you keep you dead ancestors ring, china, furniture?

or would you keep the knife that was used to kill them?
or maybe the bad heart the failed them?

by the way Frinky U'r abs are looking greaaaaaat ..

 

[Evil_Frisky]

goodness every one. " like the whole world doesn't know what the cross represents sheesh.. I it just the idea of it looking in. kinda seem funny that you would wear what killed him I mean if you believe in that kinda thing in the 1st place.



or would you keep the knife that was used to kill them?
or maybe the bad heart the failed them?

by the way Frinky U'r abs are looking greaaaaaat ..

The Cross didn't kill him! Two pieces of wood nailed together pulease


and ty

 

[plifter]

Well, the cross was a common method of execution back in the day. I'm 100% atheist and I don't buy any of that religous nonsense. I've always wanted to get an electric chair necklace, it's sort of the same thing as a cross only more modern.

BD/SM joke for you: Why did Jesus die on the cross? He forgot the safe word! hahaha

 

[Evil_Frisky]

from religion to religion it means differnt things.

I PERSONALLY don't identify the cross as death, but as Jesus saving me from sin. You may not agree, and I know most won't... Its my beliefs, and thats that.

 

[Extra_Strong]

Well, the cross was a common method of execution back in the day. I'm 100% atheist and I don't buy any of that religous nonsense. I've always wanted to get an electric chair necklace, it's sort of the same thing as a cross only more modern.

BD/SM joke for you: Why did Jesus die on the cross? He forgot the safe word! hahaha

Ha Ha as am I Plifter as am I...

 

[GoldenDelicious]

the cross symbolises his selfless sacrifice. its not about mode of death. that would be crass

 

[krishna]

As a philosophy major I will pose 1 question: If God is so great - omnibenevelont (all good), omniscient (all knowing), omni present (all present), etc., then why the hell did need to send his son to die for us? Why not just create a perfect world? In fact, if God is perfect, how is it possible for anything imperfect (our world) to come from him? What about all the people who died before Jesus got here? Ok I guess that was more than one question....sorry!

 

[sublime35]

what's funny is that most people think that crosses are originated from christians, when really they have been around since Egyptian times used by Buddhists, Hidus and were a widely used Pagan symbol.

 

[krishna]

what's funny is that most people think that crosses are originated from christians, when really they have been around since Egyptian times used by Buddhists, Hidus and were a widely used Pagan symbol.

Most people don't know anything about religious history bro!

 

[Evil_Frisky]

As a philosophy major I will pose 1 question: If God is so great - omnibenevelont (all good), omniscient (all knowing), omni present (all present), etc., then why the hell did need to send his son to die for us? Why not just create a perfect world? In fact, if God is perfect, how is it possible for anything imperfect (our world) to come from him? What about all the people who died before Jesus got here? Ok I guess that was more than one question....sorry!

he gives you self idenity and choice

We are tempted by sin day in and day out. Can you ever have perfection? No, only God is perfect but you can with all your being try to live up to his standards

I'm sorry but the moment you mentioned philosopy major i knew where this was going.

Do you study any religion?

 

[Extra_Strong]

 

[Evil_Frisky]

what are you smiling about

 

[Extra_Strong]

what are you smiling about

Ha... I am not religious but The idea entertains me. I was as a child so I see both views... one just does not make since to me. As the oposite is, I am sure for you.

And most of the world is Religous so in away It kinda sucks cause most peopls do not share my view or when they do really they are lieing.. And are just mad at what they call god.

I do not believe anyone is responsible for me but myself. Prayer is usless.
And i am sad some do it out of hope instead of doing something or putting out effert to get what they want.

It would be the same as me wishing i would get big muscles and not going to the gym

 

[Outtlaw]

Just to play devils advocate for a min... Scientifically speaking, how do we know Jesus even existed in real life as we know him? It could all be a myth or legend invented by people to make them believe; to gain control over people in society. There is no evidence of his existance other than biblical/religious references. For all we know, Christianity was founded by a group of guys sitting around a table who thought up a brilliant scheme to brainwash and control society. We could all be worshiping a big farse. You'd have to take your hats off to those guys cause they would've pulled off the greatest scam in the history of mankind.

 

[pintoca]

I have seen some cross images that are frankly gruesome. It's common knowledge they were used by the Church to "rule by fear".

People, remember we are talking about a man-made institution. The church as we know it today, might have absolutely NOTHING to do with whatever God had in mind. This is the same people that killed, raided and burned in the name of God... Blind Faith? What could be sweeter for a King or Politician?

Believe in what you will, but don't go thinking the Church will not take the signs you love and use them against you

 

[Raptorex]

Jesus Loves You.

p.s. he made me do it.

 

[milo hobgoblin]

I don't think the cross is too bad but crucifixs are out of the question. Christ ain't on a cross He beat that sucker and now He is sitting on the rightside of God waiting for God to send Him back to earth to reign.

Ok now Im confused.. I thought jesus WAS god in human form ... so now he is a separate guy???

Why would he keep a separate material form in heaven? for someone to talk to because his stupid rules are so strict.. no one actually makes it to heaven?

LOL... christianity and all its stupid stories is such a joke.

 

[Tytan]

Its not focused on his 'death' but what him dying did for me.

Why do you keep you dead ancestors ring, china, furniture?

Frisky is keeping it real, shut up and listen....

 

[jacked clown]

Religion is not something that always has to be real but something you base your thoughts and actions around. If you dont believe in anything than your just a waste of life.

 

[Megalomaniac]

I have a cross tatoo on my lower back..

Jesus loves me (K)

he told me so

(a)

I have a cross on my back. God hates me! I put it there to remind them how I feel about him(or her). This way I never see it but if he looks at me than it is right in his face. I figured he is usually coming from the backside!

 

[Tytan]

I have a cross tatoo on my lower back..

Jesus loves me (K)

he told me so

(a)

UMMMMM...pics please.

 

[samoth]

What I never understood is what 'fate' awaits every non-christian? Every Budhist, Muslum, American Indian, Norseman, Greek, Roman, Egyptian -- will they burn in hell? What about that poor 3rd world child born yesterday that will live his whole life without exposure to the western world or it's god? Will he burn in hell?

Also, which christians are the 'right' ones? Will the jahova's whitnesses all burn in hell for being the wrong 'kind' of christian? What about "sunday christians"? What about the early christians (post-medieval) who killed people of other religions... are they forgiven whilst those whom they slaughtered destined to rot in hell?

 

[Extra_Strong]

Religion is not something that always has to be real but something you base your thoughts and actions around. If you dont believe in anything than your just a waste of life.

? How could a person not believe in anything?

and what is a waste of life. I think you will find that most non religous people are perfectly moral. It is easy to see there is a action and reaction to everything this is what gives people there ground. If I am an ass whole people will not like me. If I am nice people will like me and so on. When religous people are doing good stuff they are going off feeling they are not thinking oh i better do it cause god would want me to.

 

[krishna]

he gives you self idenity and choice

We are tempted by sin day in and day out. Can you ever have perfection? No, only God is perfect but you can with all your being try to live up to his standards

I'm sorry but the moment you mentioned philosopy major i knew where this was going.

Do you study any religion?

How does sin exist if everything created was from something perfect? If sin is not perfect, and everything came from God, how did sin even get here? And if we created it, then we are not perfect. And if we are creations of something perfect, how is it possible that we are not perfect also. It's not logically possible. Yes I have studied religion extensively!

 

[krishna]

Does anybody here know that throughout the conquered regions of Rome, the pagans held a belief of a savior king who was born of a virgin mother. The savior king was to save the world from sin. But alas! This savior king was not named Jesus, it was a pagan belief. Then Rome adopted christianity and forced it on everybody else through bloodshed. The people refused to give up all their traditions, so they did accept Jesus out of fear of being executed, but they kept some of their old themes alive. Do you really think it's a coincidence that Jesus became the savior king? All they did was substitute his name into their PAGAN religion. Does anyone here know that Zeus's birthday was on December 25th? Hey, now that we HAVE to worship Jesus, we'll just make December 25th his birthday instead so we don't have to give up out traditions and holidays. Anyone see a pattern here? Not to mention that christianity was forced upon people through war and bloodshed. How can something that claims to be so loving spread such violence and death? Just something to think about.

 

[slat1]

The only people I see wearing crosses are drug users and criminals. How ironic.

 

[Tytan]

As a philosophy major I will pose 1 question: If God is so great - omnibenevelont (all good), omniscient (all knowing), omni present (all present), etc., then why the hell did need to send his son to die for us? Why not just create a perfect world? In fact, if God is perfect, how is it possible for anything imperfect (our world) to come from him? What about all the people who died before Jesus got here? Ok I guess that was more than one question....sorry!

I`m sure his creation was perfect. our greed, lust and failure to live by commandments made what we have today.

 

[HiDnGoD]

It's symbolizm. Helps me focus. If I feel the need to pray I touch it to help me concentrate. Helps me get started.
Kinda like the fishes on some peeps cars. It's a symbol of their faith.
Praying TO a cross or crucifix is a sin. One of the 10 comandments about graven images.

 

[krishna]

I`m sure his creation was perfect. our greed, lust and failure to live by commandments made what we have today.

Ok well then how did "our greed" even come into existence since everything was created by god (everything would include our greed) if greed isn't perfect? Once again, how can something imperfect come from something perfect? And if something imperfect, such as our greed, didn't come from god, then that means that he didn't create everything. Christianity's doctrine is packed full of contradictions. I could go on for days.

 

[Bigredcanecorso]

I wear mine because it lets the world know that you are a follower of Jesus and a christian....whomever doesn't see that have fun BURNING IN HELL!!!!

 

[Sub-Zero]

The Cross didn't kill him! Two pieces of wood nailed together pulease


and ty

yeah it was definately the jews

 

[krishna]

I wear mine because it lets the world know that you are a follower of Jesus and a christian....whomever doesn't see that have fun BURNING IN HELL!!!!

The very religion that tells you not to judge or condemn anyone, is the same one that causes you to do just that. Seems kind of ironic doesn't it?

 

[Extra_Strong]

I wear mine because it lets the world know that you are a follower of Jesus and a christian....whomever doesn't see that have fun BURNING IN HELL!!!!

why would you want people to burn in this place you call Hell?
well at least you want them to have fun or is it supposed to be fun?

 

[krishna]

why would you want people to burn in this place you call Hell?
well at least you want them to have fun or is it supposed to be fun?

Christians are funny bro. Let me point out another contradiction: God, who supposedly loves us UNCONDITIONALLY, made a place called hell (he had to have created it if he created everything) to send all the people who denied him there. So it seems that in order to get to heaven, you have to meet his CONDITION of accepting him into your heart. But if he loves you UNCONDITIONALLY, then why are there conditions? It's not logically possible for something to be unconditional and have conditions at the same time.

 

[ceo]

It's symbolizm. Helps me focus. If I feel the need to pray I touch it to help me concentrate. Helps me get started.
Kinda like the fishes on some peeps cars. It's a symbol of their faith.
Praying TO a cross or crucifix is a sin. One of the 10 comandments about graven images.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. (Ex. 20:4)

It says don't even MAKE any graven images. A cross looks like a graven image to me. It was worn on the Roman soldiers' chest plates. It was a "sun cross", a symbol of their sun worshipping religion, Mithraism.
Look up Mithraism and Mithra in an encyclopedia.
Constantine was a sun worshipper, a high priest in Mithraism. He blended Mithraism with Christianity, had the trinity invented, threatened death and torture on those who refused to conform (and had many killed), and created a religion that would go around the world to become what we know today as "Christianity".

 

[Extra_Strong]

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. (Ex. 20:4)

It says don't even MAKE any graven images. A cross looks like a graven image to me. It was worn on the Roman soldiers' chest plates. It was a "sun cross", a symbol of their sun worshipping religion, Mithraism.
Look up Mithraism and Mithra in an encyclopedia.
Constantine was a sun worshipper, a high priest in Mithraism. He blended Mithraism with Christianity, had the trinity invented, threatened death and torture on those who refused to conform (and had many killed), and created a religion that would go around the world to become what we know today as "Christianity".

worshiping the sun would make a lot more since to me.

 

[krishna]

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. (Ex. 20:4)

It says don't even MAKE any graven images. A cross looks like a graven image to me. It was worn on the Roman soldiers' chest plates. It was a "sun cross", a symbol of their sun worshipping religion, Mithraism.
Look up Mithraism and Mithra in an encyclopedia.
Constantine was a sun worshipper, a high priest in Mithraism. He blended Mithraism with Christianity, had the trinity invented, threatened death and torture on those who refused to conform (and had many killed), and created a religion that would go around the world to become what we know today as "Christianity".

I mentioned some of this earlier with pagans blending their beliefs with christianity once it was forced upon them. I'm glad somebody else here knows some actual history. GOOD MAN!

 

[Extra_Strong]

If you want to see God, the Creator, look into the sky and see the big ball of light called the Sun, his/her energy brought life to this part of space, we are her children, his sons. Im just talking Science here, not to go into my prophetic visions. No one can deny the Sun as the giver and Creator of life no matter how much you dislike the notion of God, but even the Sun burns if you get too much. Stare at the sun, that is where the Christian cross came from. Eyes will water and distort the light into a golden cross. The cross was simply a matter of worshipping the Sun God of the most basic cultures usually end up doing it. Imagine growing up in a brand new society and no teachings of stories or education to guide or influence your thoughts. You simply toil out at an existance under a huge ball of Light, the only ever present truth that you know is that the Sun brings crops and feeds the animals, warms you when you are cold. Its when man gets a creative notion and makes up a story and tries to convince others of it that the simple truth of it all is lost. All that you taught, that which you accept was created by a man in the beginning. All which you hold as truth is just the passing on of communal memories, all of which if fallible along many points of that encultuaration. None of this real, just a reality you created in your mind.

 

[krishna]

And if Jesus himself said that we are ALL sons and daughters of god, how are we any different than him??????????? We are all GODS! Jesus said it himself.

 

[Extra_Strong]

The whole Noah's Ark thang kills me.

 

[plifter]

And if Jesus himself said that we are ALL sons and daughters of god, how are we any different than him??????????? We are all GODS! Jesus said it himself.

Ah man, logic and religion don't even belong in the same argument. I'm content to live my atheistic life without asking anyone else to follow. I'm looking forward to burning in hell or whatever fate awaits me when I'm decomposing into a pile of carbon atoms.

 

[krishna]

Ah man, logic and religion don't even belong in the same argument. I'm content to live my atheistic life without asking anyone else to follow. I'm looking forward to burning in hell or whatever fate awaits me when I'm decomposing into a pile of carbon atoms.

That's only because nothing about religion (christianity in particular) is logical. And religion has always been a prevelant theme in logical/philosophical debates and doctrine. Saying they don't belong in the same argument is like saying grass doesn't belong on the ground.

 

[sublime35]

The whole Noah's Ark thang kills me.

Yeah, have u seen the thing on the history channel about that? Pretty interesting. It said that the "worldwide" flood was a breaking of a natural dam that caused an inland sea to empty into the mediteranean sea causing it to flood over many cities, which of course, europe, africa, and middle east was the "world" back then, cuase most people didn't know of the rest of the world.
there is proof of it too, they dove down and found what would have been the original banks of the med. sea, before the flooding.

 

[krishna]

Where did Cain and Abel get their wives??????? Yet another contradition: Being that Cain and Abel were the soms of Adam and Eve who were the first of creation. If they were the first, there would be no women for Cain and Abel to marry.

 

[krishna]

Another contradiction: The bible dates the beginning of man to be roughly 6000 years ago. The contradiction is that human remains have been found dating back to over 60,000 years old. Plus there is other evidence of man dating back even further than this, such as ancient eastern writings, etc.

 

[krishna]

Another contradiction to the theory of biblical creationism: How do you account for dinosaurs??

 

[HiDnGoD]

OK
Anyone who believe the Bible is a literal piece of literature is delusional. It is a book with many authors, written over many centuries, & probably inherently rife with societal & historical mores & ideas. The idea behind it is it is an INSPIRED book. You should read the Bible & use it as a guide book for life, filled with parables, & you pray (meditate?) on it as you read.
Really, does anyone think the ten comandments aren't a good way to live?
Do any of Jesus' parables not make sense?
When I pray to God, I don't pray as an Anglican, or as a Christian, I just pray to God.
Who are we to say that He is anything like what the books say. But I believe he is there & He created us.

 

[beefcake28]

Where did Cain and Abel get their wives??????? Yet another contradition: Being that Cain and Abel were the soms of Adam and Eve who were the first of creation. If they were the first, there would be no women for Cain and Abel to marry.

Another contradiction: The bible dates the beginning of man to be roughly 6000 years ago. The contradiction is that human remains have been found dating back to over 60,000 years old. Plus there is other evidence of man dating back even further than this, such as ancient eastern writings, etc.

Another contradiction to the theory of biblical creationism: How do you account for dinosaurs??

These are basic arguements at best... seriously. Anyone who knows anything about the Bible beyond the typical "Sunday school stories" knows the answers to these...

Yes I have studied religion extensively!

Apparently not enough to form a solid arguement regarding Biblical history.

 

[theprofessor]

I don't think the cross is too bad but crucifixs are out of the question. Christ ain't on a cross He beat that sucker and now He is sitting on the rightside of God waiting for God to send Him back to earth to reign.

excellent post

 

[krishna]

These are basic arguements at best... seriously. Anyone who knows anything about the Bible beyond the typical "Sunday school stories" knows the answers to these...


Apparently not enough to form a solid arguement regarding Biblical history.

You can't just say I'm wrong without giving us all the answers. Do tell oh wise one!

And me pointing out that these are contradictions is the truth because they are. I didn't say this disproves the bible, I just said they were contradictions. So let's hear your answers to these contradictions.

 

[Extra_Strong]

You can't just say I'm wrong without giving us all the answers. Do tell oh wise one!

And me pointing out that these are contradictions is the truth because they are. I didn't say this disproves the bible, I just said they were contradictions. So let's hear your answers to these contradictions.

Yes Yes I would like to know also.

 

[krishna]

Yes Yes I would like to know also.

Between both your posts, I've pointed out like 10 contradictions, and he hasn't given a definitive response to any of them.

 

[beefcake28]

You can't just say I'm wrong without giving us all the answers. Do tell oh wise one!

And me pointing out that these are contradictions is the truth because they are. I didn't say this disproves the bible, I just said they were contradictions. So let's hear your answers to these contradictions.

Ok... I hesitate to even start with this because it is so far off topic from the original point of this thread, but I'll answer your questions for now.

Where did Cain and Abel get their wives??????? Yet another contradition: Being that Cain and Abel were the soms of Adam and Eve who were the first of creation. If they were the first, there would be no women for Cain and Abel to marry.

The most reasonable answer to this old question is that Cain married some other descendant of Adam and Eve's. If God created Adam and Eve to be the first truly human beings, then it seems most natural to conclude that God had meant for close relatives to pair off and form father-mother units in the early generations of humanity. After all, given the fact that God created Adam and Eve, given the fact that they were exhorted and blessed with the words "Be fruitful and multiply", God would be quite a poor planner if the descendants of Adam and Eve could not find mates!

A common objection to the above (common) answer to the classic question is that up to Gen 4:17 no daughters have been mentioned, so where could Cain get his wife? This objection might seem formidable at first but vanishes when the hidden assumptions and cultural imperialism behind the objection are made known:

-First it dogmatically assumes that the transition from 4:16 ("So Cain when out from Yahweh's presence and lived in Nod, east of Eden") to 4:17 ("Cain lay with his wife...") is one of an immediate chronological nature. That is, the above objection assumes dogmatically that 4:17 happened immediately within some close window of time with the events in 4:16. To see that this dogmatism is not reasonable, observe that Adam's entire life has been compressed into 2:8-5:3. We have a very densely compressed narrative here in the early part of Genesis. Read 2:17 and then 2:18. Is it reasonable to be dogmatic that 2:18 happened right after 2:17? Same question for the events of 2:18-21. We have no literary guarantee that the events of 2:21 happened immediately after Adam was done naming the animal kingdom. Nor do we have any right to dogmatism to claim that 4:1 immediately follows 3:24. Given these facts, then, that the early chapters of Genesis are merely reporting key events in the early history of humankind, we have no right to take our biographical standards of "This happened, and then this other thing happened right after that, and then right after that something else happened, etc." and apply them to a Semitic document some 2500-3500 years old. The reader is urged to ponder what a biography of his or her life would be like if one were only allowed, say 300 words. Surely one could not expect a smooth lineal flow of time for one person's life in 300 words. Now try restricting the creation of the Universe, the creation of life, the creation of man, and the early doings of humankind, to a few scant chapters!

-Second, it assumes that what happens in later verses must necessarily occur after what happens in later verses. Adam is reported to have lived 930 years -- plenty of time for fathering many, many children. In fact, Gen 5:4 reports that he had sons and daughters. This passage, being located in a summary account of the line from Adam to Noah, cannot be pinned down to a specific time posterior to Cain's exile and hence one cannot be dogmatic concerning the thesis that Cain could not have found a wife. The passage 5:4 speaks of a process: Adam had sons and daughters (one can say a fair number of them -- but we have no idea how many as the text does not aim for completeness by listing everyone born!). This is not the reporting of a punctiliar event, but instead is the reporting of a series of events. Thus, it is quite possible and reasonable to conclude that Adam had other children throughout Cain's duration.

-What is more, the children of Adam and Eve would have their own children, and those children would propagate, and so on. Therefore, Cain would not at all be restricted to selecting a sister of his (a daughter of Adam and Eve) for a mate. He may have chosen a niece, a grand niece, a grand-grandniece, or so on. Note that 4:17 does not specify precisely when Cain found a mate. It merely assumes that Cain had found a mate, and then the text does not provide an exact date or time relative to the other mentioned events when Cain found a mate.

Therefore, those who dogmatically claim that Cain could not possibly have found a mate are errant in their dogmatism. With respect to the text itself, there is no problem at all, as we have a highly probable solution to the classic question of where Cain got his wife.

Another contradiction: The bible dates the beginning of man to be roughly 6000 years ago. The contradiction is that human remains have been found dating back to over 60,000 years old. Plus there is other evidence of man dating back even further than this, such as ancient eastern writings, etc.

Where in the bible does it cite specific dates? It doesn't.

Nowhere does a Biblical writer give us an age for earth or an age for life on earth.... Inasmuch as Scripture does not state how old the earth is or how long life has existed on earth, one is free to accept, if he wishes, the conclusions of science.

Genesis 1:1 is an undated verse. No time element is given and no details of what the Earth looked like are included.

Another contradiction to the theory of biblical creationism: How do you account for dinosaurs??

The question is often asked, “If dinosaurs are so important, why doesn’t the Bible mention them?” There are several ways to respond to such an inquiry. First, the word “dinosaur” wasn’t invented until 1842, while the Bible was translated into English much earlier. One hardly would expect to find a word in a book which preceded the word’s invention by several centuries! Second, it should be noted that numerous organisms are not mentioned by name in the Bible, yet such an omission does not cast doubt on their creation or existence. While the Bible speaks accurately on all topics with which it deals, it was not intended to be a taxonomy textbook. The purpose of the book of Genesis, for example, was not to catalog every organism that ever lived, but to present a broad yet accurate summary of historical events which actually occurred during the creation. Third, while the word “dinosaur(s)” is not mentioned in the Bible, there is compelling evidence that dinosaurs, and dinosaur-like creatures, are described, directly or indirectly, in God’s Word. Among the passages which may be considered are Job 40:15-24 and Job 41:1-34.

While God was having a discussion with Job, He asked Job if he had seen the "behemoth" ? God described the animal by saying: "He eats grass like an ox. See now, his strength is in his hips, and his power is in his stomach muscles. He moves his tail like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are tightly knit. His bones are like beams of bronze, his ribs like bars of iron. He is the first [chief] of the ways of God" (Job 40:15-19). Certainly, no other creature (living or extinct) fits this description better than a dinosaur. Many dinosaurs had huge tails "like a cedar" tree. Their bones were like "beams of bronze." Their ribs were like "bars of iron." And they easily could be called the "chief of the ways of God" (the diplodocids and brachiosaurids were the largest land-living animals ever to roam the Earth!).

Why, then, doesn’t the Bible simply call the behemoth a "dinosaur"? As stated before, the word "dinosaur" did not enter the English language until 1842. The King James Version of the Bible was published in 1611 (that’s 231 years before the word "dinosaur" even came into existence). But is the description of a dinosaur provided within the book of Job? Yes, it is.

I didn't have time to write it all out, so you get the "cut and paste" version.... and it is abbreviated as well.

 

[Extra_Strong]

hemm it is amazing how so many phrases from the bible can be interpreted to mean so many different thing. The damn dinosaurs were dead long before the bible.. There would of been writings Hell there would of been people worshiping them..

 

[theprofessor]

hemm it is amazing how so many phrases from the bible can be interpreted to mean so many different thing. The damn dinosaurs were dead long before the bible.. There would of been writings Hell there would of been people worshiping them..

yea... but science (the most highly educated people) used to think the earth was flat...
every day new science is being proven and old science disproven... so why do we have to assume that dino's didnt roam around when people were here.
The book of Genisis was what God told Moses to write... Moses did not live through the beginning events
ah hell just look at this link...
http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm

 

[samoth]

every day new science is being proven and old science disproven... so why do we have to assume that dino's didnt roam around when people were here.

 

[Extra_Strong]

yea... but science (the most highly educated people) used to think the earth was flat...
every day new science is being proven and old science disproven... so why do we have to assume that dino's didnt roam around when people were here.
The book of Genisis was what God told Moses to write... Moses did not live through the beginning events
ah hell just look at this link...
http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm

it is always being perfected always being studied. There is a system to find the truth. It works silly do you go to the doctor? why do you listen to them could be wrong? it is all about percentages and probability there usuallly be few % error that is what is being corected that few percent in most cases..

Do you get in airplaines?? is science behind them or God?

 

[beefcake28]

Between both your posts, I've pointed out like 10 contradictions, and he hasn't given a definitive response to any of them.

Before you get started with the "Biblical contradictions" again, check out this post:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5313333&postcount=27

It answers a few of the more difficult ones.

 

[samoth]

Before you get started with the "Biblical contradictions" again, check out this post:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5313333&postcount=27

It answers a few of the more difficult ones.

And I think Maj's response later in the thread is worth reposting as well.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5358135&postcount=36

 

[megamania500]

Ah, religion.
Always a conversation starter. Myself, i looked into religion, christainity mostly, looking for answers to lifes questions. I'm not religious, tho. I was just looking for answers. But in studying bible stuff, i know that it answers those questions like why is there evil in the world and stuff like that. Who asked those? oh yea, karma. If karma did study religion a whole lot like he said he did, he really know the answers to those questions. or at least the answers the bible gives anyway. That penn and Teller show about the bible was pretty interesting, it really debunks it. They said things like why do people take things like how god hates homosexuality, but completely ignore parts like where it says put to death anyone who works on the sabbath. But people really do just take out of the bible what they agree with then just ignore the stuff that they don't. A pretty good example of that would be someone who says their christian, but has money to burn. What does the bible say about that? it says your going to hell, man!!!!!!! hehe (something about a rich man going through a needle)
But that devil dude is always been pretty popular. he's always in records, singing backwards. He's seen in smoke in fires, or his face anyways. he's in movies and on tv. He's got one hell of a PR guy behind him. But he still has time to go out and make personal appearances, a possession here, a possession there.
Oh man, speaking of possessions i gotta find something here to cut and paste. Ok, here it is. about the cathilic church. is this true?


Whether God exists or not is a moot point regarding this topic of exorcism. More relevent to the point is that "exorcisms" have been a practice created by the Catholic church, which claims to be a Christian religion. Regardless whether God exists or not, Christian religions base their beliefs on the Bible. The Catholic church claims that it is the only true religion, and that other religions are false.
But if the Catholic church claims to be of a Christian faith based on the Bible, then it is a flawed religion due to its practices and beliefs contradicting the teachings of the Bible. The Bible refers to any religion falling into this category as being a "false religion", and thus created by Satan to deceive humans from learning the true Word of God. Why is the Catholic religion a false religion?

1. Members of the Catholic church are baptized when they are babies, not yet understanding faith and believing in Christ, yet the Bible states that true baptism occurs when FIRST one believes, THEN one is baptized.

2. In the Catholic faith, sins are forgiven once they are confessed to a priest But the Bible states that Jesus Christ is the only propitiation for our sins. In other words, man confessing sins to another man will not grant forgiveness in God's eyes. The Catholic practice of going to confessional is never mentioned anywhere in the Bible.

3. The Bible carefully instructs how to run a church. But nowhere does it mention anything about priests, monks, nuns, or even one word about a pope.

4. The Bible says that Jesus said to take bread and wine "IN REMEMBERANCE OF ME". Yet, the Catholic church leads its members to believe that the bread (called an eucharist) and wine ARE ACTUALLY Jesus Christ. So the Catholic masses that its members practice are, in their eyes, an ongoing sacrifice of Christ. The Bible states that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross was perfect once and for all time. NEVER TO BE REPEATED.
Catholic mass is an abomination in God's eyes. Yet, the Catholic church created a law at the Council of Trent that those who don't believe that the Holy Eucharist (bread) is Jesus himself be condemned to death. Every pope since then have accepted this ratification.

5. Popes claim to be infallable. They have stated to have the powers of God. But the Bible states that any man who calls himself God is a deceiver.

6. The Catholic church claims that there is such a place called purgatory, a place of punishment where a soul goes until it is cleansed enough to enter into Heaven. NOWHERE in the Bible is purgatory mentioned. The Catholic church claims that a dead loved one can get out of purgatory sooner if the family gives money to the church.

7. The Catholic church leads its members to believe that they must pray to God through Catholic Mary or some other dead person they call saints. In the Bible, praying to someone or something other than God is considered idolatry.

8. Catholics believe that their Mother Mary is the mediater between humans and God. This is why Catholic churches everywhere have pictures and statues of Mary in their churches. But the Bible states that the only mediator between God and us is Jesus Christ. To regard Mary as the "Holy Queen" or "Queen of Heaven" is blasphemy.

There are so much more discrepancies which denounce the Catholic faith as being a true Christian faith, according to the teachings of the Bible. If this is the case, then the Catholic faith is a false religion, put in place by Satan to deceive millions who practice the Catholic religion. If this is indeed the case, then wouldn't an exorcism be trying to control an entity of evil (demon) using means (Catholic faith) that are originated from the same entity of evil?
Like I said earlier, whether God or the devil actually exists or not is a moot point. The fact is, many religions are based on this book called the Bible. The Catholic faith, however, approaches its teachings in a way that places it in a category of being a "false religion", according to the same Bible it claims to teach. And according to the Bible, a false religion is put in place by the Devil to deceive us.
But if an exorcism is trying to command the "Devil" out of someone using the teachings of a religion that the Devil himself put together, what does that say about the practice of exorcisms in general?

 

[samoth]

Hi@ Brotherbill!

 

[krishna]

I thought that being such an advocate of the bible beefcake, you would know that the geneoligical dating of the years of man in the bible dates back roughly 6000 years. All you have to do is add up the ages, and it's been done by many scholars. And if God commanded not to lie with thy brother or sister, then how can he justify Cain and Abel having incest? The answer you gave for that question brings up another contradiction.....haha. Just give up bro.

 

[wutangnomo]

OK
Anyone who believe the Bible is a literal piece of literature is delusional. It is a book with many authors, written over many centuries, & probably inherently rife with societal & historical mores & ideas. The idea behind it is it is an INSPIRED book. You should read the Bible & use it as a guide book for life, filled with parables, & you pray (meditate?) on it as you read.
Really, does anyone think the ten comandments aren't a good way to live?
Do any of Jesus' parables not make sense?
When I pray to God, I don't pray as an Anglican, or as a Christian, I just pray to God.
Who are we to say that He is anything like what the books say. But I believe he is there & He created us.

This is a good post and sums it up nicely.

Bottom line is this. Just live your life in a good and righteous manner, regardless of what faith you choose to guide you.

Some of these posts show me how ignorant some of you people are because NONE of you existed "back then" as we are all a creation of the here and now. I don't care how much academia you have or how many books you've read, none of you can speak with certainty when it comes to Jesus/the Bible/God, etc.

 

[krishna]

This is a good post and sums it up nicely.

Bottom line is this. Just live your life in a good and righteous manner, regardless of what faith you choose to guide you.

Some of these posts show me how ignorant some of you people are because NONE of you existed "back then" as we are all a creation of the here and now. I don't care how much academia you have or how many books you've read, none of you can speak with certainty when it comes to Jesus/the Bible/God, etc.

This goes both ways, and I think it's ignorant for people of a certain religion to say that it's their way or hell. You said it yourself that no one can speak with certainty. I tend to lend my beliefs towards the evidence, and in this case, from the research and studies I've done, the evidence is against christianity.

 

[ceo]

OK
Anyone who believe the Bible is a literal piece of literature is delusional. It is a book with many authors, written over many centuries, & probably inherently rife with societal & historical mores & ideas. The idea behind it is it is an INSPIRED book. You should read the Bible & use it as a guide book for life, filled with parables, & you pray (meditate?) on it as you read.
Really, does anyone think the ten comandments aren't a good way to live?
Do any of Jesus' parables not make sense?
When I pray to God, I don't pray as an Anglican, or as a Christian, I just pray to God.
Who are we to say that He is anything like what the books say. But I believe he is there & He created us.

I do agree with this. Using the bible as a guide is great. The 10 commandments are an excellent basis for living an upright and good life. "Be good to each other," "don't envy others," "don't kill," etc. Very good things indeed. I don't have any problems with God...it's his followers I'm leery of.

 

[Extra_Strong]

it is easy and simple. The only rule is the "Golden Rule"

 

[beefcake28]

I thought that being such an advocate of the bible beefcake, you would know that the geneoligical dating of the years of man in the bible dates back roughly 6000 years. All you have to do is add up the ages, and it's been done by many scholars.

I'll reply to this later when I have more time...

And if God commanded not to lie with thy brother or sister, then how can he justify Cain and Abel having incest? The answer you gave for that question brings up another contradiction.....haha. Just give up bro.

1. Many people immediately see a problem with marriages that must, of necessity, be incestuous in nature. Remember, however, that incest itself was outlawed only with the coming of the Mosaic covenant (Leviticus 18). There was no need for strict laws on marriage partners in the early Patriarchal Age (apart from the divine “one man, one woman, for life” institution), and for at least one good reason: during this time, man was in a relatively pure state, at least physically, having left not long before the perfect condition in which he was created and the Garden that had sustained his life. Adam and Eve could have lived forever had it not been for their corruption by sin, and their consequent expulsion from Eden (Genesis 3:1-6). Hence, no harmful genetic traits had emerged at this point that could have been expressed in the children of closely related partners. However, after many generations, and especially after the Noahic Flood (Genesis 6-9), solar and cosmic radiation, chemical and viral mutagens, and DNA replication errors, led to the multiplication of genetic disorders. God protected His people by instituting strict laws against incestuous marriages in the eighteenth chapter of Leviticus.

2. The law forbidding marriage between close relatives was not given until the time of Moses (Leviticus 18–20). Provided marriage was one man to one woman for life (based on Genesis 1 and 2), there was no disobedience to God’s law originally when close relatives (even brothers and sisters) married each other.

Remember that Abraham married his half-sister (Genesis 20:12). God blessed this union to produce the Hebrew people through Isaac and Jacob. It was not until some 400 years later that God gave Moses laws that forbade such marriages.

Like I stated in my first response, you got the abbreviated version... where I didn't account for much of anything beyond the stated question. It would take up an unreasonable amount of space in a thread such as this to account for everything all at once. I am still reluctant to go any further with this as it has nothing to do with the original post.

 

[krishna]

So does that mean that God is wishy washy and changes his mind all the time? Got is unchangeable, which is another contradiction. If you're going to be a christian, you're going to have to deal with the fact that a lot of the doctrine is contradictory. I started learning that when I was still a christian. Any christian can sit and make excuses for the contradictions, but it's like trying to piece a house together with staples - there's just too much space in between. I finally gave up and opened my mind to other possibilities. It was one of the most liberating moments of my life!

 

[-SD-]

Crosses dont kill people, people kill people.

 

[ceo]

Crosses dont kill people, people kill people.

No...DOCTORS kill people!

evidence:

Doctors:
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.
Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health Human Services.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Now think about this:
Guns:
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
(Yes, that's 80 million...)
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188.
Statistics courtesy of FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.

We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Out of concern for the public at large, I have withheld the statistics on
lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention.

 

[*MissFit*]

Man has this thread took a turn...

Well needless to say the cross is not just a catholic symbol any more.. in fact.. it could be said by getting a tatoo of a cross it is actually sac relgious no?



not that it matters.. what is done.. is done and i like it

 

[Mr. dB]

Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses

 

[Extra_Strong]

No...DOCTORS kill people!

evidence:

Doctors:
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.
Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health Human Services.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Now think about this:
Guns:
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
(Yes, that's 80 million...)
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188.
Statistics courtesy of FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.

We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Out of concern for the public at large, I have withheld the statistics on
lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention.

How many lives do they save?

Does a person usually already have health issues when they go to the doctor ??? wondering how this might effect the out come a little.

How many lives do guns save??

really dont understand the point ?????????