Pct without clomid

[joonp]

Your body will recover on its own. A SERM will help bridge the gap between cycle and recovery. Clomid and Nolva work by stimulating test production from the beginning of the process. Nothing else will elevate your own test levels like they will without shutting you down. But, once you come off of them.. your test levels will go back down. Also, SERMS can come with some side effects that a lot of people cannot tolerate very well, and they are not for everyone. I am a big supporter in using a low dose of Proviron in PCT, because it will help with some of those sides, and help to make more free test.

If you choose not to use a SERM, or discontinue the use of one.. I would highly suggest using some sort of AI to stop an estro rebound from happening.

Am using forma. I didnt have to use an ai during cycle so i think i should b pretty good. I think the only reason im havin trouble now is the clomid

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[Mad Jasper]

all I use now is T stack Rx. 2 bottles and run them 8 weeks at 3 caps per day. good as gold. no crash at all.

After 3 days of Clomid @ 50mg I felt like shit. I cut dosage in half. I also used Test Stack RX and Forma and Test Stack RX is for real. I've maintained my size and gains 5 weeks after my last pin. In fact, I just set a squat PR 10 minutes ago. The only reason I didn't cut Clomid altogether is I was scared to. This is my first cycle.

Btw. The sex drive is insane.

 

[stevesmi]

After 3 days of Clomid @ 50mg I felt like shit. I cut dosage in half. I also used Test Stack RX and Forma and Test Stack RX is for real. I've maintained my size and gains 5 weeks after my last pin. In fact, I just set a squat PR 10 minutes ago. The only reason I didn't cut Clomid altogether is I was scared to. This is my first cycle.

Btw. The sex drive is insane.

thank you.. this is what i preach to people but they insist on doing pct's from the 1980's.. i put together a great writeup on T stack right here.. its the real deal.. http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...-before-test-stack-rx-came-along-1257623.html

if anyone wants me to put together a real pct that actually works they can PM me and i will help them out. if they want to gamble on nolva/clomid and have a limp dick then they can ignore my advice

 

[Nelson Montana]

The body recovers with or without Clomid. It;'s supposed to make you recover faster, meanwhile half the people who take it feel like shit. What's the point

And ALWAYS use UNLEASHED -- it increases Free test which prevents losing any muscle gained from the cycle.

 

[bodybyg]

Nelson, can you use just post cycle/unleashed combo with forma for a complete PCT for say a test/winstrol only cycle?

 

[LOVEOZ]

Nelson, can you use just post cycle/unleashed combo with forma for a complete PCT for say a test/winstrol only cycle?

That's all I've used for test cycles and I've felt good during pct. I've never had the desire to add a serm.

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[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, can you use just post cycle/unleashed combo with forma for a complete PCT for say a test/winstrol only cycle?

I prefer forma on cycle not afterward. A hit of HCG and a touch of a-dex wouldn't hurt but yeah, just UNLEASHED and PF POST-CYCLE would be better than most complicated PCT's with serms.

 

[louisiana]

look I've been cycling for 5 years.. and by cycling i mean ACTUALLY CYCLING. not going on for 4 months straight and coming off for a week and going back on. cycling as in 12 on, 16 off. and I am convinced that clomid doesn't do shit except manipulate your LH and T levels temporarily, then when you stop it crashes down. same with nolva.

you don't need a SERM in pct period. i recover great without it, read burnthiscorpse's thread on how he was on a year straight and came off and never touched any SERM's and his T levels were 800

all I use now is T stack Rx. 2 bottles and run them 8 weeks at 3 caps per day. good as gold. no crash at all.

Is this all you are using? Because I need to look into getting some. Please let me know.