Pct without clomid

[joonp]

I did a 10 week test cycle blasted 1000 hcg for two weeks between pct and last pin. Sex drive was good and morning wood was constant. I went into pct and took clomid, test infusion, forged post cycle, osterine, d aspartic chews, forma, and daa powder. The problem is a week into pct sex drive nose dived and i have a hard time getting hard and morning wood is there just not as hard as usual and sometimes none at all my balls are full so it appears to be an estrogen problem. From what ive been reading this is due to the clomid. If i dropped the clomid would i still recover decently? Ive run this same pct minus the clomid and had no problems like this as well so it would appear to be the clomid. So far im two weeks into pct

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[stevesmi]

look I've been cycling for 5 years.. and by cycling i mean ACTUALLY CYCLING. not going on for 4 months straight and coming off for a week and going back on. cycling as in 12 on, 16 off. and I am convinced that clomid doesn't do shit except manipulate your LH and T levels temporarily, then when you stop it crashes down. same with nolva.

you don't need a SERM in pct period. i recover great without it, read burnthiscorpse's thread on how he was on a year straight and came off and never touched any SERM's and his T levels were 800

all I use now is T stack Rx. 2 bottles and run them 8 weeks at 3 caps per day. good as gold. no crash at all.

 

[Reps For Jesus]

add Proviron to your PCT

 

[joonp]

look I've been cycling for 5 years.. and by cycling i mean ACTUALLY CYCLING. not going on for 4 months straight and coming off for a week and going back on. cycling as in 12 on, 16 off. and I am convinced that clomid doesn't do shit except manipulate your LH and T levels temporarily, then when you stop it crashes down. same with nolva.

you don't need a SERM in pct period. i recover great without it, read burnthiscorpse's thread on how he was on a year straight and came off and never touched any SERM's and his T levels were 800

all I use now is T stack Rx. 2 bottles and run them 8 weeks at 3 caps per day. good as gold. no crash at all.

I actually did read that log. So u dont use forma or any other estrogen reducer to keep from rebound?

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[Jbranken]

I've stopped using serms in pct because of the sides. My last few pct's were pretty similar. They looked like this:

Methyl eaa (or unleashed)
Test infusion
DAA
forma
Tudca
N2guard
N2slin
Gear

...and other various supps. No "down" feelings. No depression or lethargy. No drop in libido and great bloodwork after. I also used ostarine in pct to maintain gains.

 

[joonp]

Ok good to know that u can still recover properly without a serm. Thanx

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[Reps For Jesus]

Your body will recover on its own. A SERM will help bridge the gap between cycle and recovery. Clomid and Nolva work by stimulating test production from the beginning of the process. Nothing else will elevate your own test levels like they will without shutting you down. But, once you come off of them.. your test levels will go back down. Also, SERMS can come with some side effects that a lot of people cannot tolerate very well, and they are not for everyone. I am a big supporter in using a low dose of Proviron in PCT, because it will help with some of those sides, and help to make more free test.

If you choose not to use a SERM, or discontinue the use of one.. I would highly suggest using some sort of AI to stop an estro rebound from happening.

 

[stevesmi]

I actually did read that log. So u dont use forma or any other estrogen reducer to keep from rebound?

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I use AI during cycle as needed.

i don't use wet compounds unless its with a dry compound anyway. those guys who use 3 wet compounds like deca/dbol/test hell yeah you definately want to run an AI the whole way

 

[stevesmi]

Your body will recover on its own. A SERM will help bridge the gap between cycle and recovery. Clomid and Nolva work by stimulating test production from the beginning of the process. Nothing else will elevate your own test levels like they will without shutting you down. But, once you come off of them.. your test levels will go back down. Also, SERMS can come with some side effects that a lot of people cannot tolerate very well, and they are not for everyone. I am a big supporter in using a low dose of Proviron in PCT, because it will help with some of those sides, and help to make more free test.

If you choose not to use a SERM, or discontinue the use of one.. I would highly suggest using some sort of AI to stop an estro rebound from happening.

the problem with proviron is its still an androgen and is suppressive.. if you truely want to recovery you cannot run it in pct. lets face it though most guys who juice don't truely recover, they just jump from cycle to cycle. a stupid thing to do UNLESS you make a living at this shit or you want to compete

 

[Reps For Jesus]

A low dose of Proviron... 25-50mg per day, is not suppresive at all. Don't know why more people don't use it.