PCT questions

[GarrisX]

im soon going to begin my cycle of primo, winstrol and proviron, and im looking for advice on pct. in my other post where i was considering doing this cycle, nelson mentioned that since none of these aromatize i could simply go natty for pct and go with unleashed and post cycle.

would these 2 be the best? what about dermacraine sustain?

also, when should i start taking whatever pct i choose and at what dose?

my cycle is this::

primo- 300 mg ew weeks 1-8
winstrol- 50 mg eod or 25 ed idk yet? weeks 1-6
proviron 50 mg ed weeks 5-9

also how frequently should i inject primo?


thanks in advance

 

[Varga]

PCT=3 weeks clomid at 50mg ED( it's light cycle but I'd still do PCT)
Injections 2x a week

Simple man, have fun!

 

[ricorico]

def use clomid.......i like to use ZMA off cycle as well

 

[Nelson Montana]

def use clomid.......i like to use ZMA off cycle as well

Definetely DO NOT use clomid. None of those compounds aromatize so the clomid would have nothing to compete with and you'll just have higher estrogen levels.

ZMA is just zinc and magnesium and completely useless for PC T.

"POST-CYCLE" and UNLEASHED would be great with that cycle though a little HCG afterwards wouldn't hurt either.

 

[Primordial Performance]

Garrisx,

Run Winstrol - stanozolol on the last part of the cycle from weeks 3-8… you want to drop all of your anabolic androgenic steroids levels at once to get ready for PCT - post cycle therapy - . Same with the proviron. BTW, if you can afford more Primobolan - methenolone - then get some more and run at least 500mg/week or up the Winstrol - stanozolol dose to 50mg/day

Clomid at 25mg/day would be acceptable, stacked with Dermacrine Sustain for a 4 week PCT. You would start this a week after your last Primo injection, to allow all the AAS’s to clear the system. My feeling on clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - is that they can help you recover your T levels a bit faster, but you should limit their use as much as possible as they are fairly toxic drugs that shouldn’t be used for the long-term.

Unleashed and Post Cycle could help too. You can use them with the above mentioned PCT.

-Pp

 

[trowsersnake98]

the best pct i ever did was 4 weeks of clomid at 50mg/day and 4 weeks of aromasin at 20mg/day. ive used it on a couple of nandrolone cycles and it brought me right back.

 

[JohnnyWest]

im soon going to begin my cycle of Primobolan - methenolone - , winstrol and proviron, and im looking for advice on PCT - post cycle therapy - . in my other post where i was considering doing this cycle, nelson mentioned that since none of these aromatize i could simply go natty for PCT - post cycle therapy - and go with unleashed and post cycle.

would these 2 be the best? what about dermacraine sustain?

also, when should i start taking whatever PCT - post cycle therapy - i choose and at what dose?

my cycle is this::

Primobolan - methenolone - - 300 mg ew weeks 1-8
winstrol- 50 mg eod or 25 ed idk yet? weeks 1-6
proviron 50 mg ed weeks 5-9

also how frequently should i inject Primobolan - methenolone - ?


thanks in advance

dont mess with your health man, theres a reason why people use pharmaceuticals like clomid and aromasin over supplements...they work way better

clomid at 50mg ED is not useless in pct because (for those who don't know this) estrogen is the prime hormone that causes your hpta to lower test production, so if you make your body think theres no estrogen (ie using clomid) your body will bounce back much quicker, combined with an AI like aromasin at 10mg Ed you won\t get estro rebound, lower to 10 EOD or, last resort, 10mg E3D if your libido goes out the window

 

[Primordial Performance]

dont mess with your health man, theres a reason why people use pharmaceuticals like clomid and aromasin over supplements...they work way better

clomid at 50mg ED is not useless in PCT - post cycle therapy - because (for those who don't know this) estrogen is the prime hormone that causes your hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - to lower test production, so if you make your body think theres no estrogen (ie using clomid) your body will bounce back much quicker, combined with an aromatase inhibitor like aromasin at 10mg Ed you wont get estro rebound, lower to 10 EOD or, last resort, 10mg E3D if your libido goes out the window

There is no need for an aromatase inhibitor as strong as Aromasin with a cycle like this. He isn’t using any estrogenic compounds, so he wont have any estrogen production to suppress. His estrogen will already be rock bottom by the end of his cycle. Using Aromasin would likely just further hurt his sex drive.

Im not sure what your implying about “health”…. Since Clomid can be quite damaging to your health. As with most pharmaceuticals, their use often comes with a consequence whether it’s immediately noticeable or not.

-Pp

 

[worldclass]

Aromasin isn't going to hurt his sex drive. Aromasin would not be used for PCT because of any circulating estrogen from the steroids he's using. PCT begins WHEN THE STEROIDS ARE GONE so there is very little estrogen anytime you start PCT. So what difference does it make whether or not the steroids he used aromatize or not? It doesn't.
Using Aromasin will cause the HPTA to continue sending signals to the testes to produce testosterone even as the natural test production comes back online and would otherwise be weaker.
Normal use of Clomid is not dangerous to anyone's health. It's been used by thousands of men on this board for over a decade. No one has ever reported that it's use resulted in a life threatening or dangerous health condition. Please post where you're getting this information.
Using supplement in place of pharmaceuticals has it's place in a world where holistic remedies are used for everything from cancer prevention to heart disease. But I'll use drugs for my PCT thank you. And I recommend others do the same.

 

[ricorico]

Definetely DO NOT use clomid. None of those compounds aromatize so the clomid would have nothing to compete with and you'll just have higher estrogen levels.

ZMA is just zinc and magnesium and completely useless for PC T.

"POST-CYCLE" and UNLEASHED would be great with that cycle though a little HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - afterwards wouldn't hurt either.

your suggesting that clomid taken post cycle doesnt aid in increasing your natty test and bring your balls back??? And bbers are usually defecient in zinc and magniesum. ALso taking ZMA help aid in naturally hormone prduction and improves sleep quilaity.

 

[access]

Even though your running Proviron at end of cycle I would still run Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - for PCT - post cycle therapy - at 10-20mgs/day for 3 weeks. Also HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - after lost shot at 500IU's for 10 days won't hurt.

 

[Bruce]

the bottom line is clomid is what a doctor will prescribe at 50-100mg ed for 3-5 weeks after cycle use. i would never ever sub out derma or anything for clomid. that would be like a doctor telling you to go get herbs to rub on a wound that required real antibiotics. you are comparing a supp that has not been approved with a tried and true medicine used by professional medical people. clomid is going to bring back your natural test levels better than anything. go ask fucking any real deal bber if they stopped taking clomid for derma. nolva is ok if clomid sides are unbearable but clomid has been most effective for me and most others i know who actually look like they do steroids dont' just talk

 

[ricorico]

the bottom line is clomid is what a doctor will prescribe at 50-100mg ed for 3-5 weeks after cycle use. i would never ever sub out derma or anything for clomid. that would be like a doctor telling you to go get herbs to rub on a wound that required real antibiotics. you are comparing a supp that has not been approved with a tried and true medicine used by professional medical people. clomid is going to bring back your natural test levels better than anything. go ask fucking any real deal bber if they stopped taking clomid for derma. Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - is ok if clomid sides are unbearable but clomid has been most effective for me and most others i know who actually look like they do steroids dont' just talk

THank you!!!!.......see u chimed in on both threads....K to u...

 

[Primordial Performance]

Aromasin isn't going to hurt his sex drive. Aromasin would not be used for PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - because of any circulating estrogen from the steroids he's using. PCT begins WHEN THE STEROIDS ARE GONE so there is very little estrogen anytime you start PCT. So what difference does it make whether or not the steroids he used aromatize or not? It doesn't.
Using Aromasin will cause the hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - to continue sending signals to the testes to produce testosterone even as the natural test production comes back online and would otherwise be weaker.
Normal use of Clomid is not dangerous to anyone's health. It's been used by thousands of men on this board for over a decade. No one has ever reported that it's use resulted in a life threatening or dangerous health condition. Please post where you're getting this information.
Using supplement in place of pharmaceuticals has it's place in a world where holistic remedies are used for everything from cancer prevention to heart disease. But I'll use drugs for my PCT thank you. And I recommend others do the same.

Bro, you are way off base.

Are you saying that running 2000mg of Test enanthate is going to leave the same amount of estrogen in your system as 500mg of Primobolan - methenolone - ?

If this is what your saying I suggest you don’t give PCT advice on puplic forum, as your likely to jeopardize someone’s health with your grossly miss-informed statements. I doubt your really interested, but if you want to know where I get my info on clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - I suggest you read my attached thesis – I provide about 60 scientific references to demonstrate the toxicity of Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and clomid. Clomid and Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - are not healthy drugs by any means, and if you can avoid excess exposure to them you should.

The fact is, this guy would have absolutely no need for a steroidal aromatase inhibitor such as aromasin for PCT, especially if you runs HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - on cycle like he should. Remember, estrogen is not completely evil.

BTW Bruce, plenty of BB’s have switched from clomid/Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - to Derma Sustain and they are more than happy with the switch. I don’t think being a "professional BB" has any merit whatsoever. Besides, most professional BB’s are running hCG on cycle and arnt even touching clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - since there is no need for them.

-Pp

 

[DJ_UFO]

HCG
clomid
derma sustain
unleashed
post cycle
myogenx
maca
horny goat weed

no more fights...

 

[JohnnyWest]

There is no need for an aromatase inhibitor as strong as Aromasin with a cycle like this. He isn’t using any estrogenic compounds, so he wont have any estrogen production to suppress. His estrogen will already be rock bottom by the end of his cycle. Using Aromasin would likely just further hurt his sex drive.

Im not sure what your implying about “health”…. Since Clomid can be quite damaging to your health. As with most pharmaceuticals, their use often comes with a consequence whether it’s immediately noticeable or not.

-Pp

Primordial, you msunderstood my post

he does not need to run aromasin during the cycle, we know that, but if you are running a serm without an aromatase inhinitor during pct you will have an estrogen rebound once you stop taking the SERM, for clarification, its because of your bodies own estro production will be high enough to suppress your own test production

there a few studies citing the dangers of clomid, but in reality, it has been used for decades by bodybuilders and rec users with no noteworthy side effects to speak of

i wasn't implying your supplements are unhealthy, i was saying if a person didnt properly recover there natty test, they wouldn't be in optimal "health"

what do you mean by iediately noticeable or not? are you saying clomid has long term effects

 

[JohnnyWest]

Bro, you are way off base.

Are you saying that running 2000mg of Test enanthate is going to leave the same amount of estrogen in your system as 500mg of Primobolan - methenolone - ?

If this is what your saying I suggest you don’t give PCT - post cycle therapy - advice on puplic forum, as your likely to jeopardize someone’s health with your grossly miss-informed statements. I doubt your really interested, but if you want to know where I get my info on clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - I suggest you read my attached thesis – I provide about 60 scientific references to demonstrate the toxicity of Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and clomid. Clomid and Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - are not healthy drugs by any means, and if you can avoid excess exposure to them you should.

The fact is, this guy would have absolutely no need for a steroidal aromatase inhibitor such as aromasin for PCT, especially if you runs HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - on cycle like he should. Remember, estrogen is not completely evil.

BTW Bruce, plenty of BB’s have switched from clomid/Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - to Derma Sustain and they are more than happy with the switch. I don’t think being a "professional BB" has any merit whatsoever. Besides, most professional BB’s are running hCG on cycle and arnt even touching clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - since there is no need for them.

-Pp

what do you mean "especially" if he uses hcg? he should use an AI "espacially" if hes using hcg because it rapidly raises estrogen levels - it is good to have a little bit of estrogen, if you libido gets kelled by 10mgED, go to EOD or E3D until you get it right

I think the point he was trying to make was whether or not you have aromatising compounds in your cycle, you still need to deal with estrogen during PCT

 

[Primordial Performance]

what do you mean "especially" if he uses HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - ? he should use an aromatase inhibitor "espacially" if hes using HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - because it rapidly raises estrogen levels - it is good to have a little bit of estrogen, if you libido gets kelled by 10mgED, go to EOD or E3D until you get it right

I think the point he was trying to make was whether or not you have aromatising compounds in your cycle, you still need to deal with estrogen during PCT - post cycle therapy -

Sorry, bad explanation -- I was trying to say that he wouldn’t need the Aromasin for PCT since he wouldn’t be running hCG. (Since he would have ran a low dose of hCG during the cycle to keep his testes working)

Im familiar with the estrogenic rebound from clomid or nolva… which is why I recommend the Dermacrine Sustain since it has the aromatase inhibitors and SERM activity – but not so powerful to cause potential problems and not a steroid like the Aromasin is. (double edged sword for PCT)

The long-term health risks of clomid and nolva are outlined in the attached article I posted.

-Pp

 

[JohnnyWest]

Sorry, bad explanation -- I was trying to say that he wouldn’t need the Aromasin for PCT - post cycle therapy - since he wouldn’t be running HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - . (Since he would have ran a low dose of hCG during the cycle to keep his testes working)

Im familiar with the estrogenic rebound from clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - … which is why I recommend the Dermacrine Sustain since it has the aromatase inhibitors and selective estrogen receptor modulator activity – but not so powerful to cause potential problems and not a steroid like the Aromasin is. (double edged sword for PCT)

The long-term health risks of clomid and Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - are outlined in the attached article I posted.

-Pp

okay man, nothing worse then misunderstanding eachother