PCT is so Overrated!!!!!!

[Live2ski11]

Listen guys, I haven't really used these boards a lot, but I have read a lot. One thing I notices is that a lot of guys have been flaming about how people are dumb for not using PCT. PCT is actually more harmful to you in the long term. The concept of "PCT" was begun as a concept for Steroid dealers to make addition cash from their sales, and it seems to have caught on. PCT such as Clomid or Nolvadex is actually an estrogen on its own and this PCT disrupts the hormonal balance even more than the AAS itself.

To prove my friend bodybuilders and to all of you that PCT is unessential, I took a cycle of 4 weeks of Superdrol (M-drol CEL) at 40mg for all 4 weeks. After approximately 2 weeks, I did blood work, and my tests showed up normal. All i did was eat a lot of green leafy vegetables and fresh fruits, and took no supplements (not even tribulus!) The key to this rapid recovery, however is going to sleep at 9pm every night and waking up at 6am (natural hormonal production is most active from 10pm-12pm and in the early morning)

PCT of Nolva or Clomid is actually detrimental to your hormonal health. Both are hormonal drugs (estrogens). If you are trying to achieve hormonal balance, why would you further disrupt your hormone system with drugs, while you can promote your body to restore it on its own in almost the same time. The ONLY time Nolva or Clomid should be used in my opinion is if a rapid onset of Gyno occurs.

Hope people are not as dumb about PCT. Think about it, if you don't believe me, how did the pro's of the 70s and 80s such as Arnold recover when there was no PCT?

 

[weizy]

Ok, I'll be the first to address this I guess.

First and foremost, a pro-hormone taken for 4 weeks is harder on you're liver than you're libido, not to mention pro-hormones don't tend to shut you down nearly as much. Try doing a 12+ week cycle with an injectable and see how long it takes for your nuts to grow back then.

I wouldn't consider it stupid not to run a PCT, I just consider it unwise. If you wanna deal with the side effects of low test and high estrogen after coming of cycle that's your prerogative. But don't expect this board to jump to your aid when you suffer from your ignorance.

Your post has done little more than show how uninformed you are about PCT. A good PCT will reduce the weight you lose after coming off, improve your attitude from the test drop and DRAMATICALLY improve the ability of your body to once again take over test production.

I have a story about being stupid about PCT and suffering through a minor shutdown but I feel like you won't gain anything by me telling it. Some people just have to learn the hard way. I did..... it's not fun.

P.S. Look at Arnold now man.

 

[stevesmi]

4 weeks on a short ester oral isn't long enough to shut down your HPTA ... running it 6 weeks and maybe it will happen. did your nuts shrink after 4 weeks? the answer is NO. and if they did it was barely enough to notice.

so basically you never were suppressed so when you came off and did blood work like magic things showed up fine which is an idea for everyone to immulate. running short conservative cycles with short esters and cycling off rather then running long cycles all the time. this way you don't have to worry about recovery issues. i have been known to run these types of short cycles with dbol/proviron 3-4 weeks.. come off 2 months, then go back on. rather then go 15 weeks on or whatever.

like weizy said above run an injectable cycle of 10-12 weeks with long esters which take an additional 2-5 weeks to clear. lets say a sustanon/deca cycle for example. running no ancillaries your nuts will turn to raisins, then come back and tell me what your blood results are after 2 weeks

the Arnold arguement for anything is silly, i know guys who bench 85 pounds who use arnold to try and convince me of some crazy theory of theirs. I'm so sick of people saying "arnold did this or that" so we should copy it. that was 40 years ago!!! we've come a long way in nutrition and bodybuilding since then.

 

[Zyglamail]

Your basing your proof on a 4 week oral cycle? Bad science right there. Next if you have done as much reading as you say you have you will see that most here dont recommend nolva/clomid for PCT.

 

[C0LUMB0]

4 weeks on superdrol is hardly a clinical trial - so to base your theory or opinion on that is seriously flawed ( and that is being polite about it. )
It is also the kind of bunk information that i personally would not like newbies and the less experienced users taking notice of .
This is not the 60's and 70's and we now use what is available and proven to help restore HPTA function plus liver detox and so on...

 

[C0LUMB0]

Here are 2 previous posts by the OP live2ski11 :

"Before you flame me, I realize I am stupid for taking it. I did a 6 week cycle of 500mg test prop/week. I got great gains, but I am only 17 years old. Are my growth plates closed now? because I know I was still growing. Or is it too little time for this to happen from only one cycle. Please help me! Don't hate! I promise I won't do it again!"


"Don't give me bullshit about how not to do them. Just answer my question. The last thing I need is a blabbermouth repeating the same thing a million times. If for example, a teen does (18 yrs old) a prohormone cycle, but takes lots of Arimidex with it, would the arimiex prevent growth plates since it is an estrogen inhibitor? I have read before that doctors use Arimidex on children to keep their growth plates from closing early. What do you guys think?"

Everybody say goodnight to this young man....he is going for a little nap now

 

[stevesmi]

this kid is only 17 years old and he is giving us advice on PCT!!! now I've seen it all!

maybe its time I ban him a 2nd time, i've already banned him for idiocy before, just look at his past posts.

I clearly warned him to not show his face in the AAS forums again. seems like he thinks we are stupid as well and wouldn't remember him.

the person who sold him or gave him steroids at his age should be hung by their hrum and testi-stacho.

 

[-SD-]

Ban this jackass already. Nothing worse than a teen with a serious attitude who thinks they know it all

 

[Anabolic chest]

He's just a kid guys. Alot of them think they know it all nowadays. By the sound of it the only way this guy is gonna learn is first hand. Let him get on with it I say. Why anyone would want to do gear at 17 is beyond me

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ funny thing is when I was his age I wasn't like that at all. i sucked up as much information from my weightlifting coach and older guys as I could. and today I still ask the older guys in their 40's and 50's for guidance and advice. and I know plenty of young guys that I mentor at the gym who aren't like that.

 

[FLEX4USML]

here are 2 previous posts by the op live2ski11 :

"before you flame me, i realize i am stupid for taking it. I did a 6 week cycle of 500mg test prop/week. I got great gains, but i am only 17 years old. Are my growth plates closed now? Because i know i was still growing. Or is it too little time for this to happen from only one cycle. Please help me! Don't hate! I promise i won't do it again!"


"don't give me bullshit about how not to do them. Just answer my question. The last thing i need is a blabbermouth repeating the same thing a million times. If for example, a teen does (18 yrs old) a prohormone cycle, but takes lots of arimidex with it, would the arimiex prevent growth plates since it is an estrogen inhibitor? I have read before that doctors use arimidex on children to keep their growth plates from closing early. What do you guys think?"

everybody say goodnight to this young man....he is going for a little nap now

bahahahhaha,wow

 

[Backtobasicks]

Here are 2 previous posts by the OP live2ski11 :

"Before you flame me, I realize I am stupid for taking it. I did a 6 week cycle of 500mg test prop/week. I got great gains, but I am only 17 years old. Are my growth plates closed now? because I know I was still growing. Or is it too little time for this to happen from only one cycle. Please help me! Don't hate! I promise I won't do it again!"


"Don't give me bullshit about how not to do them. Just answer my question. The last thing I need is a blabbermouth repeating the same thing a million times. If for example, a teen does (18 yrs old) a prohormone cycle, but takes lots of Arimidex with it, would the arimiex prevent growth plates since it is an estrogen inhibitor? I have read before that doctors use Arimidex on children to keep their growth plates from closing early. What do you guys think?"

Everybody say goodnight to this young man....he is going for a little nap now

I thought the username was familiar -_-
You think if you were aiming to persuade the masses you'd say something like a few months of test atleast.. Just shows how much knowledge is floating around in that head

 

[freakshow85]

But guys, he has blood work. Aren't you going to just take his word that after 2 weeks his blood results were back to normal?
/sarcasm

 

[Backtobasicks]

But guys, he has blood work. Aren't you going to just take his word that after 2 weeks his blood results were back to normal?
/sarcasm

Without the /sarcasm, I wouldn't have had any idea you wernt being serious!
I thought 2 weeks usually is waaaay enough time for everything to be perfect!
lol

 

[RADAR]

i'll just say this ......." you don't know Sh*t"

 

[freakshow85]

All I'm saying is anyone can come here and claim normal blood results. It'd take a few pictures of a few things to prove it. And even then, unless you are a credible member, it's hard to just trust anything you see on the internet. That, and a 4 week cycle really isn't all that much to recover from, anyways.

 

[Cali72]

All i did was eat a lot of green leafy vegetables and fresh fruits, and took no supplements (not even tribulus!) The key to this rapid recovery, however is going to sleep at 9pm every night and waking up at 6am (natural hormonal production is most active from 10pm-12pm and in the early morning)

Yep I'm sold.
This will be my next pct protocol!

Lmao

 

[Cali72]

This will be my next pct protocol;

A lot of green leafy vegetables
Fruit
And going to sleep from 9pm to 6am

Yep this is the way to a speedy recovery

Lmao

 

[LetsGrow]

I feel so enlightened now Lmfao!

 

[Sherk]

"A lot of green leafy vegetables,fruit and going to sleep from 9pm to 6am." He should sell his pct plan and open his own nutrition shop! This kid really knows his stuff! I'm very impressed. :sarcasm:

 

[slo gto]

Lol wow this is some funny stuff

 

[Nurgs]

I mean im only 22 and although im pretty new to this these guys have given me good, safe, quality advice. From my diet to my PCT and what to do next cycle. This guy gives the younger generation an even worse rep than we already have. I mean most the advice you guys give is for someones safety? He hasnt got a clue about respecting eldars for knowledge and experiance. IDIOT!!!!

 

[EZ_E]

at 4 weeks of Superdrol being a "cycle"

~EZ

 

[kiai]

this kid is only 17 years old and he is giving us advice on PCT!!! now I've seen it all!

wait till u see me giving advise for ppl on how to run their cycles and I haven't done any

 

[Ranger11B]

PCT is over rated? I guess pussy and blow jobs are over rated too then huh... considering on a real cycle no pct would result in shut down... so yea I guess in your 17 year old i know everything world you can cycle your ass off against our advice and trade in what nuts you may have for a new man-gina .... dumbass someone please lock this so some new guy doesnt get an idea that v8 and going to bed by 7 will fix his gyno and limp dick.

 

[obsessedwliftin]

PCT is over rated? I guess pussy and blow jobs are over rated too then huh... considering on a real cycle no pct would result in shut down... so yea I guess in your 17 year old i know everything world you can cycle your ass off against our advice and trade in what nuts you may have for a new man-gina .... dumbass someone please lock this so some new guy doesnt get an idea that v8 and going to bed by 7 will fix his gyno and limp dick.

Roflmao! You mean brocolli won't fix gyno? Who knew?

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[EZ_E]

Roflmao! You mean brocolli won't fix gyno? Who knew?

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<<<<< Broccoli

~EZ

 

[lartinos]

HCG is used just on cycle, it is some good stuff for sure.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Well, yeah, I'd rather take nothing than nolvadex or clomid. But these types of threads are like the people who say you don't need to take vitamins. It's just stupid. Just do what's best for your health. It takes less than 2 minutes a day. Come on!

 

[Backtobasicks]

All I'm saying is anyone can come here and claim normal blood results. It'd take a few pictures of a few things to prove it. And even then, unless you are a credible member, it's hard to just trust anything you see on the internet. That, and a 4 week cycle really isn't all that much to recover from, anyways.

I was being sarcastic bro, I got you hahah don't worry

 

[Sherk]

I did a research study on myself after a 5 week creatine and vitamin cycle and found that onion juice and grapefruit seeds is the best way for pct. Lol

 

[sojoocy]

Roflmao! You mean brocolli won't fix gyno? Who knew?

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Here's me thinking I could get some brocolli, puree that shit up and massage it in to my pecs to prevent gyno

 

[RADAR]

Man! I'm Learning all kinds of neat stuff today ,who would have thought at my age?

 

[WillKill]

Seen this as soon as this kid posted it, had a sneaking suspicion it might take off LMAO.

 

[Colstreamer]

I did a research study on myself after a 5 week creatine and vitamin cycle and found that onion juice and grapefruit seeds is the best way for pct. Lol

Lmao!