PCT help long story (only for the mods and vets please)

[Nomak666]

No bro if you let the test clear before PCT, you will have close to zero test and your body will melt muscle like cheese. If HCG wasn't used during cycle, start using it the day or the day after the last test shot. That way, by the time the exogenous test clears the system, the pituitary has been already stimulated to secrete LH and FSH by itself. Its complex shit man...is not an easy game like sometimes seems to be.

Yeah, i understand bro. Exactly why most "newbies" get big when they do a cycle then they shrink up to nothing after cycle. after your cycle, there will be a time when your body has zero or close to zero test. you want to get your body producing testosterone as fast as possible or else your body will start eating away at the muscles because you will have no motivation at all to go to the gym. when you are 3 months after you pct, take a look at yourself, and see if you are happy, if you are not happy with the results but are happy with it when you were on, then your pct was wrong and you messed up something weather it be diet training or pct. the hardest part for me was going to the gym day after day, but whats worse is seeing your strength go down from when you were on cycle, but tough it out, that wasnt the "real you". judging from my last cycle and the proper pct i took and the proper DIET and TRAINING, i am now a strong believer of being able to keep most of your gains from a cycle. muscle was built with the drugs but its not hard to maintain that muscle. people think muscle is easy to lose but its not that easy. you cant just burn muscle like that, yes, you will get smaller, but how much smaller depends on what steps you take following your cycle. PCT IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE CYCLE ITSELF. imo, of course.

 

[Fudge Tunnel]

Here is what a Dr. prescribed a friend of mine who did the same thing.

2500ius HCG M,W,F
75ius HMG ED

He's going to have to run this for 1-3 months, you could also use clomid at 50mg ED. It takes a while but it can be done.

This worked and after many blood tests his natural test levels were well within normal range.

 

[skaman007]

Testicular atrophy is not a direct indication of hpta activity. He need of course a PCT including HCG or even better, HMG. However, I would be a little bit worried about the psychological implications...by now, after a year, he is probably used to the positive effects of high levels of testosterone. Even after he is recovered (if he can completely recover), he will never have the same mood, sense of well being and energy that hight levels of test gives you. That's why every time you read a thread from a newbie posting his results after first cycle, they are already anxiously planning the second, not only because of the gains, but the experience of feeling so well. I am not even sure what to recommend as a pct for him, I'd try 500iu of HCG for 10 days, starting the day of the last test shot, then clomid, 50mg ed for 4 weeks, along with natural supplements like unleashed and sustain. After that, mandatory blood test, if he has any interest of being again who he was before the year long cycle.

if hcg was not used . on cycle..he would need 3 shots of 2500ius .each one 5 days apart .pree pct...as eric from pp advised me.

 

[lookinfit75]

How's your friend doing Nomak?

 

[Nomak666]

Thanks for your concern lookingfit. he started the hcg on the 14th @ 250ius ed, hes gonna run that for 10 days. todays his 9th. he was running deca so he has to wait 3 weeks for the deca to clear, he should have ran the test for an extra week, but at his point, hes been on for a year, he just wants to get off everything as soon as possible. We have decided to put him on clomid and nolvadex for his pct, 6 weeks of each, plus he will be using letrozole @ 2.5mg every 3rd day to keep estrogen controlled and to get rid of some gyno (small lump under nips), he started the letro a month ago, one of the lumps are already gone, the other one shrunk. He is also using dostinex at .5mg every 4th day incase of prolactin rebound, and for some help with mood and libido. i have a feeling, hell do just fine, i give it 8 weeks total after pct for him to feel somewhat back to normal, just my opinion. im trying to get him to go to the gym too, i know coming off a cycle sucks and you have no motivation to hit the gym, its also deppressing to see your lifts go down, but i keep reminding him, that it was "fake" strength anyways. what he keeps now will be the real him. ill keep yuou guys posted every week. he broke out pretty bad on his face from the hcg. but i guess, that was the best option.

 

[lookinfit75]

Good looking out Nomak! You are a true friend and he's lucky he's got you to help him. It's all good when it's fun and games but when the shit hit the fan, that's when you know who's your dog and you're showing your true color, in a very good way.
Now you just have to make sure he still gets to the gym because that's the only way to keep your head straight. Cardio should help to, if anything to keep the blood flowing and the endorphines running.

 

[skaman007]

Ok this is what IMO he should do. First thing he should do is come off the aas and get on something light enough to allow a bit of recovery but not so strong that it will prevent recover. That being said get him on some dermacrne...Well on the derma he should also run the hcg. Then drop them both and use hmg. Then from there switch to nolva and a good amount of otc products. So as soon as he stps the cycle is program will look like this

1-4 dermacrine 5 pumps ed
10 days hcg 1000ius ed
4-8 hmg 35ius
4-8 nolva 20mg ed
8-12 nolva 10mg ed
8-12 sustain apha 5 pumps ed

He should also have letro and bromo on hand because he could get prog or estrogen rebound effects and he wants to make sure he has something on hand for this.

why the dermacrine for 4 weeks needto?wont that keep him shut down...wudnt it be better last 2 weeks of cycle ,and the 2 weeks whilst test cleaRS?

 

[lookinfit75]

I think he meant for the Dermacrine to make for a softer landing. It is supressive but not nearly as much as 1 year's worth of juicing. Plus it's got the feel good stuff to help him combat the depression that will likely ensue after stopping his use.

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Good looking out nomak !!

Sorry im missed this until now ,there is some good advice their .


Brad.

 

[Nomak666]

Good looking out Nomak! You are a true friend and he's lucky he's got you to help him. It's all good when it's fun and games but when the shit hit the fan, that's when you know who's your dog and you're showing your true color, in a very good way.
Now you just have to make sure he still gets to the gym because that's the only way to keep your head straight. Cardio should help to, if anything to keep the blood flowing and the endorphines running.

Yes, i hook up my close friends with some gear because they dont know where to get it, but i also explain to them how to eat right and train right. i dont just give them aas and pins and telll them to do what they want. i tell them an average dose and a dose i think they should use, based on their cycle history. most of my friends ask me "how do i get abs, what do i gotta take". i tell them the TRUTH. i tell them no amount of steroids or supplements will get them abs. its all about their diet, then i tell them the whole 6 meals per day, protein in every meal, which types of carbs and what type of foods to eat. i explain to them how it works rather then telling them exactly what to eat. it gives them more choices. i might like eating brown rice 3 times a day but my boy might prefer sweet potatoes instead, so i give them options. i also tell them how o train and not to drop the weight as soon as they feel a little pain and discomfort, its the last few reps that really count. thats why all the average joes look the same, they do their set and then drop the weight as soon as they hit their desired rep number.