p-lifting for school. pros and cons

[jeremys]

pros: discount on squat suit, good competition, very cheap competition, no fee to lift at school, etc

cons: possible loss of strength doing an old periodization program vs. westside?, asshole coaches

i have goals set for bench, and i dont know if this will screw with them BUT this program of theirs may work for my squat, and maybe for bench as well. i havent tried it. however, i've done other periodization programs and havent gotten much if any out of them


any ideas?

 

[Cobin]

Pro: Diet advice, form advice, always have a spotter


If they give you some dumb workout routine, do westside when their not looking. : )


Edit: a switch in training might shock your body into new gains for alittle while, then you can do westside again. I'd atleast give it a shot and see how it goes, if you don't like it I am sure you can drop out. No?

 

[jeremys]

If they give you some dumb workout routine, do westside when their not looking

wish it was that easy

there's about 3 or 4 coaches ALWAYS in the weightroom. i might look a little suspicious carrying boards and bands and a box around. lol

 

[Cobin]

Haha, true but where do you train now? Just do westside there and then when you feel you need some help goto the school gym.

 

[jeremys]

i train at home but i dont have a squatrack. once powerlifting starts, i have to train there, or i cant compete

 

[Cobin]

How long have you been doing westside? Maybe you should switch it up to what they got and see how it goes, I mean they are powerlifting coaches they should know what their doing right? And if they happen to not know what their doing, you can just drop it and do it on your own. Are there school competitions, like school vs school? That would be badass.

 

[jeremys]

there are invitationals, so there's a couple schools competing at a time. i've been doing westside for about 4-5 weeks now. making unbelievable progress. i talked to the head PL coach and told me their program would probably be taking a step back from what i'm doing

 

[DOM]

1. If I remember right, you were the one who said your plifting team did weekly competitions? maybe that was deceiver. If you compete every week, you'll not only stop progressing, but maybe even regress somewhat.

2. If your high school lifting coaches were anything like mine, and it sounds like they are, then you're going to be hating them every moment of it.

On the other hand... you would benefit from a team environment rather than working at home. Also, getting in the gym and having some pressure for other people will help you get back under the bar and squat. And also, while you're young and getting started -- it seems pretty much any routine is going to add lbs to your max. You could do this team and work westside during the offseason with good success.

Personally, I think almost all my progress during high schol was a result of my personal training during off season rather than training in the school weightroom with the football team. Ultimately, it's your decision though.

 

[latinus_spicticus]

How long have you been lifting? You are only 15, man. You can use this time to get the form down on your lifts and build a strong foundation before you go adding in boxes, chains, and bands.

Eat right, sleep right, and workout with intensity/consitency and you will get stronger.

For bench press, make sure you are keeping your elbows tucked, lowering the bar with your lats, pushing in a straight line, etc. Use compensentory accelleration on ALL of your bench presses. That means always move the bar as fast as possible.

For the deadlift, well, try to push your feet through the floor. Find your form and perfect it.

I cannot really tell you what to do with the squat except to try and sit back instead of down, keep the bar low on your back and keep a wide stance.

Build your posterior chain. Triceps, lats, delts for bench, lower back, glutes, and hamstrings for squat/deadlift. Don't go to failure often, and use CAT on the big 3. Don't go out of your way to build quads or calves and you will have a good base to work with once you switch over to WSB.

Don't stress out about these things in life, I don't. You are young and will get stronger even with a periodized routine. Stress kills, man. Don't freakin' stress over this. Damn man, with all this stressing over WSB vs. periodization, when do you have time for the women? Oh-- that reminds me. Gotta go.

 

[spatts]

WSB is periodization...conjugated periodization. I'd hit the AAU meets, and then next year, show the coaches how you advanced, compared to the guys THEY trained. The results speak for themselves.

Anyone on the school team in you weight class that you know the three lifts totals on?

 

[Hannibal]

I mean they are powerlifting coaches they should know what their doing right?

Cobin, not laughin at you at all....that statement SHOULD be true. However, more times than not, it isn't the case.

 

[jeremys]

latinus, i knew the stuff you mentioned. i think i have a little bit of a foundation...5'9, 245 lbs. thanks for the tips though

spatts, the best guy on our team is in the 275 class. he squats about 700, deads about 550, and benches 350-360. however, he also hates the coaches with a passion

i've never really figured out how much i could squat. i always squatted using my quads and a close stance. i think next week i will start with an empty bar and load to whats comfortable, and do a couple sets of 10 for a few weeks with my new form so i can get back to squatting

 

[spatts]

I think latinus is probably not familiar with your level of skill, despite your age. You are well beyond the "get your form down first" speech.

Those are nice numbers from the 275 guy. How is your deadlift?

I am STILL learning squat form. I swear, lately, my form changes EVERY SINGLE SET. I feel like I have strong hamstrings strong glutes, etc...I'm just NOT recruiting them properly. There's some magic piece of advice out there, that someone will eventually give me about my squat form, that will make it all click. Meanwhile, it's my worst lift.

 

[latinus_spicticus]

LOL. Sorry to tell you something you already knew. Won't happen again, I promise.

 

[jeremys]

haha lat

my dead before i blew my back was about 400...i had no idea what i was doing, so with some speed and stuff, that'll click just like my bench is and just like my squat will

 

[latinus_spicticus]

Seriously brah, I know what it is like to deal with tyrannical "coaches" who think they know what they are doing. The only time I didn't have to follow my weight "coaches" programs was when I was a senior, I had gained about 15lbs of muscle over the summer, walked in and asked the defensive line coach for our workout routine, and he told me to forget about it and to keep doing whatever I'd been doing. It sucks, but somehow I think once you gain enough strength to impress them, they will lay off.

 

[jeremys]

just at that last meet i was at, there was a football coach from another school in the area. i outbenched all of their varsity line players by about 50 pounds, of course i had a shirt and they didnt. but still...word might get around. or i'll do what spatts said; i'll come back in a year and show the coaches where i am