Overlook upcoming cycle please!

[Tupac_9_lives]

first 3 weeks of dnp @ 200mg/day by itself.
1-4 test prop 100mg/eod
1-9 test enthanate 400mg/week
1-12 tren acetate 75mg/ 5 times a week
9-12 test prop 150mg/eod
1-13 nolva 10mg/ed
13-17 nolva 20mg/ed
13-16 hcg 1500 iu's/e3d
13-16 clomid 300/100/50
14-16 dnp 200mg/day
13-13 100mcg clenbuterol

what do you guys think? should i just change the test enthanate to prop as well?

 

[Phaded]

uh youa re running the enanthanate the same time as the prop i have no clue why'd you'd change it..

 

[Tupac_9_lives]

uh youa re running the enanthanate the same time as the prop i have no clue why'd you'd change it..

well its set upike that for quicker boom, and easier timed recovery. i was thinking about changing to prop for the enthanate, because the tren is a short ester, so i thought maybe i might as well run the test the same??

 

[Phaded]

tren will kick in on day 3 so you dont need the boost with the prop so you could take the prop out imo

 

[slat1]

12 weeks of tren?

 

[azul]

first 3 weeks of dnp @ 200mg/day by itself.
1-4 test prop 100mg/eod
1-9 test enthanate 400mg/week
1-12 tren acetate 75mg/ 5 times a week
9-12 test prop 150mg/eod
1-13 nolva 10mg/ed
13-17 nolva 20mg/ed
13-16 hcg 1500 iu's/e3d
13-16 clomid 300/100/50
14-16 dnp 200mg/day
13-13 100mcg clenbuterol

what do you guys think? should i just change the test enthanate to prop as well?

If you're doing tren, prop isn't necessary to jumpstart the cycle, though it's still nice Do tren EOD.

Do test enanthate for the entire cycle, and stop one week before PCT.

You won't necessarily need 10mg of nolva ED during your cycle if you don't get gyno, so it's a waste of money IMO.

Don't do DNP without some kind of anabolic aid... it'll get rid of muscle along with fat. Neither should you do DNP after your cycle. You're gonna burn lots of muscle that way, since you have no compounds in there to protect your muscle, and immediately after a cycle, your body hasn't gotten used to all that new muscle yet. Same goes for clen... don't start cutting immediately after your cycle. Wait a while.

 

[Tupac_9_lives]

If you're doing tren, prop isn't necessary to jumpstart the cycle, though it's still nice Do tren EOD.

Do test enanthate for the entire cycle, and stop one week before PCT.

You won't necessarily need 10mg of nolva ED during your cycle if you don't get gyno, so it's a waste of money IMO.

Don't do DNP without some kind of anabolic aid... it'll get rid of muscle along with fat. Neither should you do DNP after your cycle. You're gonna burn lots of muscle that way, since you have no compounds in there to protect your muscle, and immediately after a cycle, your body hasn't gotten used to all that new muscle yet. Same goes for clen... don't start cutting immediately after your cycle. Wait a while.

well clen has anti catabolic properties. so its good for after a cycle, and dnp slows slows down your thyroid production, so you hold onto the lbm?

 

[azul]

well clen has anti catabolic properties. so its good for after a cycle, and dnp slows slows down your thyroid production, so you hold onto the lbm?

Lol, wrong and wrong. Clen isn't significantly anti-catabolic, and has only been proven to be anti-catabolic in rats. As far as I know, DNP has nothing to do with your thyroid. It works with your mitochondria, instead.

 

[Tupac_9_lives]

Lol, wrong and wrong. Clen isn't significantly anti-catabolic, and has only been proven to be anti-catabolic in rats. As far as I know, DNP has nothing to do with your thyroid. It works with your mitochondria, instead.

so if its anticatabolic in rats, that means its catabolic for humans?
onw of the sides of dnp is to lower your thyroid. i know it works with your mitochondria. so why would dnp be catabolic again?

 

[azul]

so if its anticatabolic in rats, that means its catabolic for humans?
onw of the sides of dnp is to lower your thyroid. i know it works with your mitochondria. so why would dnp be catabolic again?

There are no studies showing that clenbuterol is anti-catabolic/anabolic/whatever in humans. I believe it's because humans don't have as many Beta 2 Agonist Receptor sites as rats, or something similar to that... feel free to refresh my memory if I'm wrong.

There's more than enough posts with info about DNP where you can read how it works. DNP burns both muscle and fat... like T3, it doesn't really distinguish much between either of the two.

 

[Tux]

Actually not exactly true Azul. DNP is what's known as an oxidative uncoupler. Basically it prevents your cells from going through the krebs cycle, so they can't utilize carbohydrates to make ATP anymore. So the body responds by going into ketosis basically, it produces ketone-bodies which convert fats into an intermediary that can still produce ATP. So your body gets almost all of it's daily caloric needs from stored fat instead of carbs, and since it can't use the carbs, it dumps them off as heat. This is why you get so much hotter on DNP if you eat more carbs. DNP doesn't make your body use muscle or fat indiscriminantly. However, since your body can't use carbs at this point, and you're losing weight quite rapidly, your body will usually tend to sacrifice some muscle as well as fat, even though fat is by far the preferred source of energy, protein is the last thing your body uses for energy. After a cycle though, you're already going catabolic, and trying to cut carbs and run DNP is just not a good idea. I agree on that point, DNP post-cycle not good... do it well after you've recovered, or while still on cycle.

 

[azul]

Actually not exactly true Azul. DNP is what's known as an oxidative uncoupler. Basically it prevents your cells from going through the krebs cycle, so they can't utilize carbohydrates to make ATP anymore. So the body responds by going into ketosis basically, it produces ketone-bodies which convert fats into an intermediary that can still produce ATP. So your body gets almost all of it's daily caloric needs from stored fat instead of carbs, and since it can't use the carbs, it dumps them off as heat. This is why you get so much hotter on DNP if you eat more carbs. DNP doesn't make your body use muscle or fat indiscriminantly. However, since your body can't use carbs at this point, and you're losing weight quite rapidly, your body will usually tend to sacrifice some muscle as well as fat, even though fat is by far the preferred source of energy, protein is the last thing your body uses for energy. After a cycle though, you're already going catabolic, and trying to cut carbs and run DNP is just not a good idea. I agree on that point, DNP post-cycle not good... do it well after you've recovered, or while still on cycle.

Yeah, I don't have the exact science behind DNP memorized. But I do know that it likes to eat muscle, specially after a cycle.

 

[Tux]

Yeah that was my point. DNP doesn't actually eat away muscle like T3 does. It's just that it puts your body into a state where it can't get enough energy from normal sources so it's difficult to maintain lean mass without gear. Not like T3 where it actually predisposes you to losing as much muscle as fat, but certainly better to run with gear either way.

 

[azul]

Yeah that was my point. DNP doesn't actually eat away muscle like T3 does. It's just that it puts your body into a state where it can't get enough energy from normal sources so it's difficult to maintain lean mass without gear. Not like T3 where it actually predisposes you to losing as much muscle as fat, but certainly better to run with gear either way.

Damnit, I gotta get the last word in!

 

[black sheep]

Back to the gear - SS, First I would not run Tren for 12 weeks

I would do

1-8 Tren 75mg ed or 150mg EOD if you dont want ED injections
1-9 Prop 100mg EOD

Or

1-8 Tren Ace 150mg EOD
1-8 Test Cyp 400/week
1-2 Prop 100mg EOD
9-10 Prop 100mg EOD

Prop will help just start the test and help with tren recovery at the end.