Over the counter legal PCT

[xrsist]

So essentially this is a post asking for a source ???

Of all the OTC PCT's most in which I think are complete garbage...I would try PP's sustain. However IMO nothing, and I mean nothing beats a standard PCT that is recommended, and used by Endo' and GP's worldwide.

and clomid is so cheap compared to these otc pcts

 

[chrisproia]

and clomid is so cheap compared to these otc pcts

Have you tried it yourself?

 

[nzrodney]

No i am not asking for a source. What I am asking for is legal over the counter PCT, if there is a such a thing. I've read through alot of posts and there has been mention of what appears to be legal over the counter PCT, including what the AG Guys have to offer and products such as sustain and post cycle.

PCT is obviously a very confusing subject, since everyone asks about it, even after reading the stickys. I am just lookign for a straight answer about what to get and where to get it..........LEGALLY

Yes, it would appear that you are looking for a source because Nolva, clomid & letro are prescription only drugs. There are tons of "OTC" PCT products. Every site including this one sells them. I cannot comment on EF's products as I have not used them but they get very good reviews from most users. From my perspective I use Ergopharms 6OXO Extreme & Formadrol Extreme which are both effective estrogen control & test boosters.

 

[xrsist]

Have you tried it yourself?

why would i when clomid is so much cheaper and i recover fine?

 

[Nelson Montana]

why would i when clomid is so much cheaper and i recover fine?

Because clomid doesn't work for everybody, can rebound and can cause horrible sides.

The question should be, WHY use clomid when there are better alternatives?

 

[xrsist]

Because clomid doesn't work for everybody, can rebound and can cause horrible sides.

The question should be, WHY use clomid when there are better alternatives?

it works for me just fine with no sides bro
if these otc pct products were to come down in price id think about using them but until then its clomid all the way

 

[enacer420nj]

it works for me just fine with no sides bro
if these otc pct products were to come down in price id think about using them but until then its clomid all the way

I actually like clomid, I Take it at night to avoid vision problems....affects my mood slightly im usually a little cranky not crying like a bitch like some people...also could be cranky cause my cycles over lol.....gotta love the cumshots on that shit im like peter north

 

[muscleup]

Is there a study proving that the OTC products are better than what Endocrinologist would use ???

I mean I have absolutely no problem with someone using natural supplementation{I use many}, but to say that it works better than what is use in the medical community is a bit far fetched IMO.

Serms have a PROVEN track record of aiding in recovery. Ther are side effects from everything....Natural or not.

Because clomid doesn't work for everybody, can rebound and can cause horrible sides.

The question should be, WHY use clomid when there are better alternatives?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Is there a study proving that the OTC products are better than what Endocrinologist would use ???

I mean I have absolutely no problem with someone using natural supplementation{I use many}, but to say that it works better than what is use in the medical community is a bit far fetched IMO.

Serms have a PROVEN track record of aiding in recovery. Ther are side effects from everything....Natural or not.

Not entirely true. Where is all the evidence that Clomid is standard procedure for hypogonadism? There isn't much. It's mostly anecdotal.

And of course there won't be any medical studies showing the benefits of supplements. Supplements can not be regulated by the drug companies so why in the world would the medical community do tests on them? There have been random studies of course (I've posted these many times) but it's not like there's conclusive evidence of ANYTHING.

The bottom line here is, just because Clomid is a drug doesn't make it a proven thing. It WAS NOT designed to treat hypogonadalism! And even the studies done on it have been brief, under specific conditions, (usually older men) have shown to taken up to months to be effective, and offer no proof of long lasting effects. So this argument that everyone keeps giving just doesn't hold water.

 

[muscleup]

and neither does yours...The one thing I know that is a FACT that is Endocrinologist{Actual Dr's, not board gurus} will use SERMS to try to replenish HPTA function.

I don't see them telling there patients to use Trib, Lj100, or any other natural "Test Booster".


I'm not saying these products don't work, but as far as "evidence" is concerened I think there are far, far, more people who have recovered with serms, than those who have recovered and used the products pushed here and elsewhere.

Not entirely true. Where is all the evidence that Clomid is standard procedure for hypogonadism? There isn't much. It's mostly anecdotal.

And of course there won't be any medical studies showing the benefits of supplements. Supplements can not be regulated by the drug companies so why in the world would the medical community do tests on them? There have been random studies of course (I've posted these many times) but it's not like there's conclusive evidence of ANYTHING.

The bottom line here is, just because Clomid is a drug doesn't make it a proven thing. It WAS NOT designed to treat hypogonadalism! And even the studies done on it have been brief, under specific conditions, (usually older men) have shown to taken up to months to be effective, and offer no proof of long lasting effects. So this argument that everyone keeps giving just doesn't hold water.