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kbrkbr said:
Sorry, but I've got to take issue with everything you've said here. Avena sativa and tribulus just can't touch novaldex/clomid/hcg/ when it comes to hpta restoration. A 50year old man needs all the help he can get when restoring his hpta -- I know, I'm 49 -- and using otc supps will not only be a waste of time, but be counterproductive.

And the only thing that 100mg of test every 20days will accomplish is hpta shutdown. That amount won't be enough to make you strong, or even horny, but your body will register the exogenous test in your system and slow down its own production.
i think a long acting test will be ok every few weeks,u might be right with 100 mg a bit too low , but on the clomid part i disacree ,i think it sux big time i ,did a deca only cycle a few years back ,and i made incredible gains ,untill i met clomid, i did it 2 weeks after cycle and i fealt like shit till the point i had no sex drive and no energy ,i put a msg on the board and lucky ,got nelson montana a writer to explain what went wrong, clomid might work for some but for others is just over rated , now every time i do a small cycle i come off and take my natural things and i feel alot beter then i did on clomid..u might want to read that article he wrote on it ,and give him a beter argument, but he sure convince me to stay away from it ....
 
faaassst said:
A var only cycle will also kill ur libido after around 3 weeks for most. After around 6 weeks (the absolute minimum duration you should run var), your natty test levels will be way down. How long did you run your var cycle for?

I love var, and so typically run it for 10-12 weeks at a time. I'd run it indefinitely except for the effect it has on my lipid profile. I'm an old fart and just can't tolerate the hard stuff that well anymore, so var meets my needs without a lot of intolerable sides.

My libido doesn't begin to decline until 3-4 weeks into the cycle. If I'm seeing someone, I use hcg or small-dose test to boost it back up. If I'm not, I don't worry about it and regard that time as a vacation from women.
 
i'm 56 years old. one year ago, i wasn't having trouble with sex drive or erections, but i wasn't 18 years old anymore either. i went on testosterone cypionate 200 mg. weekly and nandrolone deconate 200 mg. weekly. within about one month the results were unreal as far as sex drive, erections etc. and my poor wife is sixty two years old! lucky for me, she is old fashioned and never says no. i know there's been a few times when she's been worn out though.

from what i understand from the others on the board, the orals are probably too hard on the liver for someone our age. i did start a cycle on d-bol though that i only intend to last for 4 weeks.

also, i read in one of the muscle mags last week that in one study men our age who were taking arimedex and no other supplementation, had testosterone levels akin to an 18 year old male. i hesitate to post that because i can't remeber the magazine i read it in or whether it was a double blind, placebo study. any comments or thoughts about that statement by any more experienced members?
 
saintjohn said:
also, i read in one of the muscle mags last week that in one study men our age who were taking arimedex and no other supplementation, had testosterone levels akin to an 18 year old male. i hesitate to post that because i can't remeber the magazine i read it in or whether it was a double blind, placebo study. any comments or thoughts about that statement by any more experienced members?

Ulter has posted some great info regarding the use of arimidex to boost endogenous test production. I'll see if I can find the thread on disk.
 
And I thought I was old when I started my first cycle at 37 :)

Why not try low dose Dbol? I have had good results with it on its own and stacked with test. I started seeing strength and weight gain at 15mg, and I never went over 25mg/day.

If you are worried about your liver, and these 17aa's are all the same mg for mg, I would consider 25mg of dbol instead of 60mg of T-Bol. (of course anavar would be even better, but is very expensive.)

To get the johnson working again in the middle of a cycle, try proviron. To get it moving again right after a cycle, Nolva/Clomid/Trib and viagra. Like everyone else, you should bounce back in a few weeks.

Good luck old timer :)


Bluesman
 
fcfmuaythai said:
on a cycle of primo and var, should i add a small dose of test to keep test levels (and libido) up? how much? thanks!



250 mg per wk is the norm.

RADAR
 
with that low dose of test, the sides should be fairly low, right? I'm on 500mg sust/week now, and without the daily nolva i would be getting bad itchy nips. i'm looking for a low sides cycle, hence the primo and var/
 
saintjohn said:
i'm 56 years old. one year ago, i wasn't having trouble with sex drive or erections, but i wasn't 18 years old anymore either. i went on testosterone cypionate 200 mg. weekly and nandrolone deconate 200 mg. weekly. within about one month the results were unreal as far as sex drive, erections etc. and my poor wife is sixty two years old! lucky for me, she is old fashioned and never says no. i know there's been a few times when she's been worn out though.

from what i understand from the others on the board, the orals are probably too hard on the liver for someone our age. i did start a cycle on d-bol though that i only intend to last for 4 weeks.

also, i read in one of the muscle mags last week that in one study men our age who were taking arimedex and no other supplementation, had testosterone levels akin to an 18 year old male. i hesitate to post that because i can't remeber the magazine i read it in or whether it was a double blind, placebo study. any comments or thoughts about that statement by any more experienced members?


hey there my man do you mean to say you are on that combo as permanent HRT or was that just a cycle? if permanent have you continued to see the same effects? and how's the wife holding up?

now regarding testosterone and the prostate some of the latest thinking on that topic relates the prostate issue to excess estrogen, and not enough free T and DHT. so load up on T, proviron, and adex and keep your prostate humming preferably with those young candybabe blowjobs (and throw in some GH for good measure)
 
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