Oral AAS before a workout.

[nandroloner]

Sure, AAS promotes muscle growth through increased protein synthesis. Of course it's best, looking at it from this angle only, to say that having a constant level of AAS in the body is preferable. But what really causes the muscle to grow? Is it not the microscopic tears that are created during a workout? This being the case, there could be as much, if not more, benefit in increasing the intensity of the the workout and thus increasing the number of microscopic muscle tears. It stands to reason that the rapid androgenic effect of dbol, causing an increase in strength, would also cause more "damage" to the muscle tissue and require healing, which equals growth.

Just my .02

 

[fhg43]

Hmmm... Soooo then... It sure would be interesting to see if guys who cycle dbol (only) along with l-dex get a pump at all...

I'm not convinced E2 is responsible that much for the "pump".

Andy

I am outta my league with you guys but here goes:
My understanding is that increased pumps come from the increase in blood volume. Most AAS exert some kind of RBC (red blood cell) count boosting effect on the body-like EPO but much less pronounced. EQ has a significant RBC increasing effect. There is another steriod that is synthetic (not ox or methyltest) and has a similar effect. It is often given to anemia patients. I have read a few anecdotal reports that dbol does increase RBC counts but have no scientific proof.

Sorry Andy13 I know you like solid facts but I didn't have much. FHG

 

[celica]

bump

 

[Mavy]

Just curious Andy, if you have actually tried this yourself, or if you have never bothered because of what "Bill" said?

I have always equally divided my dbol doses throughout the whole day and even woke up in the middle night/early morning to keep consistent.

Now... my last cycle I took a different approach, by taking a double dose (10mgs) 3 hrs before my workout, and 3hrs after. I swear to you that my pumps were insane, and much better than before. I also put on the much more size. I switched from Naps (the norm for me) to Russian dbol, but that cant explain it because dbol is dbol. Its the only thing I could think of. Call it placebo, if you like. I think that the 10 mgs 3 hrs after was just as accountable for the great gains, by working on my shocked hungry muscles.

Who cares what Bill Roberts has to say. You should know that there is no one Demi God whos word is the law in the bodybuilding world. Fuck Bill. I too trust my body over what someone wrote in a book.

All the old theories that were written in books are being proved wrong all the time nowadays and changing.

Mavy

 

[Juice Authority]

Thanks Andy. Great info. I borrowed this and made it a sticky over at A-A.

http://www.reala-a.com/Forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=819

 

[bigdelt69]

Hey andy, been itching to talk with you about this cortisol thing.

I really dont think many people take this important hormone seriously. So andy......spill your guts on all you know about cortisol and its effects on retaining gains, loosing gains, immune function, ect...

Man if we could just get one thread like this a week.....we could pick the Anabolic board out of the slump its been in for a while.

 

[Juice Authority]

Hey bigdelt69. Good to see you Bro.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Can't stay. But I couldn't resist this one.

FACT: D-bol is in the bloodstream approximately one hour after ingestion.

FACT: A blood test at this time will reveal an elevaton of testosterone and red blood count.

FACT: Incresed blood volume increases the pump.

FACT: Fascial stretching provided by a pump may lead to greater muscle growth.


FACT: The greater the pump the more nutrients that enter the surrounding tissues.

FACT: D-bol effects somatropin, dopmaine and endorphin levels resulting in what is referred to some as a "d-bol high". Placebo? Perhaps. But there's legitamate chemistry behind it.

FACT: D-bol will cause a temporary increase in strength.

FACT: Dosing around the clock will provie more of an effect than single dosing...DUH!

FACT: Taking D-bol post workout will increase nitrogen (protein) uptake and slow the rate in which protein is broken down in the muscle cell.

FACT: Bill Roberts is an educated idiot.

(People who don't understand how that's possible need to live a little longer, that's all).





References will be provided upon presention of proof that an apple is red.



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[Citruscide]

Can't stay. But I couldn't resist this one.

FACT: D-bol is in the bloodstream approximately one hour after ingestion.

FACT: A blood test at this time will reveal an elevaton of testosterone and red blood count.

FACT: Incresed blood volume increases the pump.

FACT: Fascial stretching provided by a pump may lead to greater muscle growth.


FACT: The greater the pump the more nutrients that enter the surrounding tissues.

FACT: D-bol effects somatropin, dopmaine and endorphin levels resulting in what is referred to some as a "d-bol high". Placebo? Perhaps. But there's legitamate chemistry behind it.

FACT: D-bol will cause a temporary increase in strength.

FACT: Dosing around the clock will provie more of an effect than single dosing...DUH!

FACT: Taking D-bol post workout will increase nitrogen (protein) uptake and slow the rate in which protein is broken down in the muscle cell.

FACT: Bill Roberts is an educated idiot.

(People who don't understand how that's possible need to live a little longer, that's all).





References will be provided upon presention of proof that an apple is red.



.

Good to have you back.

 

[genarr3]

Posted by Andy13
"t-prop causes less water retention than TE."

Thank you thank you. I get sick to my stomach everytime I read this. I "feel" is one of the most subjective determination of results there is. There are so many other factors involved. This is why drug companies do double blind tests and still get it wrong.

For the last time ...
Test is Test.