Old Man on test Prohormone Cycle Help

[jackthunder]

Hey all,

I'm 46, on Dr. prescribed testosterone. I've been working out for literally years but no cycle in a decade probably. My plan until I hear from YOU is to drop the Dr. prescribed test during the cycle... so here goes:

Is this still a reasonable sounding mild "first" cycle:

30 day Cycle:
GASPARI Halodrol 50 (literally ordering this from GNC at (gnc.com/pwr/product-reviews/GASPARI/p/3843913-Gaspari-Nutrition-Halodrol-MT.html)
nolva 10mg
1g Milk Thistle

PCT:
Nolva 60mg wk1,40mg wk2, 30mg wk3, 20mg wk4
1g Milk Thistle


NOTE!!!
I am planning on dropping the testosterone during the 30 day cycle and starting at full dose again day one of the PCT... agreed that this is the right plan?

Thanks for all your help folks!

Tony

 

[rustilldown]

What is your test dose?

I would keep your replacement dose throughout cycle, maybe even bump up slightly for some extra gains

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[jackthunder]

If I'm reading it right its about 200mg pure test per day. I certainly don't mind staying on it- I thought if I did it would interfere with "needed" estrogen (ummm) or have a useful rebound effect if I had not used it on cycle.

Is the GNC brand real halodrol? Is chlorodrol50 about the same?

Thanks again,
Tony

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[stevesmi]

I hope you haven't ordered yet because I was gonna suggest getting your PH from myproH... they are superior products and full guaranteed to give you results

 

[RickRock13]

I would suggest running Oxandrovar instead, which will give you much better results than halodrol. Check it out at www.myproh.com

 

[jackthunder]

Well, I worry about sides. I'm pretty confifent the Halodrol clones won't cause me much hair loss/gyno, based on experience. I don't remember or maybe I knew what the ingredients in the OXandrovar are. Any more information than what's on the website?

For example, what's "better results" mean, exactly? I like the idea of it cutting, but if I'm reading right now a lot of bulking?

What would the rest of a 30day cycle and PCT be? Most of the reviews I read the cycles and PCT were so complicated I might not be able to afford them. The Halodrol is simple, but, yeah, the reviews for the OxandroVar sure make me drool. Hard to separate the sales pitch from the basic necessity. What's my minimum effective cycle with good sides control and PCT?


Thanks

 

[Shrine1]

I was one of the first to run oxandrovar and absolutely loved it. Great for cutting, but the strength gains were the most I've every experienced with a PH.

Run it for 6 weeks.. and stack it with sarms1 S4 and GW, and you got a wicked combo

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[RickRock13]

Well, I worry about sides. I'm pretty confifent the Halodrol clones won't cause me much hair loss/gyno, based on experience. I don't remember or maybe I knew what the ingredients in the OXandrovar are. Any more information than what's on the website?

For example, what's "better results" mean, exactly? I like the idea of it cutting, but if I'm reading right now a lot of bulking?

What would the rest of a 30day cycle and PCT be? Most of the reviews I read the cycles and PCT were so complicated I might not be able to afford them. The Halodrol is simple, but, yeah, the reviews for the OxandroVar sure make me drool. Hard to separate the sales pitch from the basic necessity. What's my minimum effective cycle with good sides control and PCT?


Thanks

The side effects from Oxandrovar are minimal. Probably no real difference than halodrol in that department. The gains will be much better and you will lose more body fat. Epistane alone is the best oral I've ever used for strength and muscle and its in the formula for Oxandrovar.

Here is a cost effective plan for you including PCT.

1-6 Oxandrovar 3 caps per day (2 bottles)
1-6 N2guard


PCT

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Test Stack or Phytoserms
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
ostarine 25mg ED


I would normally recommend GW during your cycle and PCT and HCGenerate during the cycle. I advise doing that if you are able but this cycle and PCT will still be great without them. I will also send some discounts your way

 

[jackthunder]

Why clomid and not tamoxifen?

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[jackthunder]

Would this work?

45 day Cycle:
Oxandrovar x3
Nolva 10mg
1g Milk Thistle

PCT:
Nolva 60mg wk1,40mg wk2, 30mg wk3, 20mg wk4
Test Stack

This might be more in line with my budget

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[RickRock13]

Would this work?

45 day Cycle:
Oxandrovar x3
Nolva 10mg
1g Milk Thistle

PCT:
Nolva 60mg wk1,40mg wk2, 30mg wk3, 20mg wk4
Test Stack

This might be more in line with my budget

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You can use Nolva instead of Clomid if you choose to. That's fine. I don't see a problem with your plan if you really need to keep the cost down. The milk thistle will help some with the liver issues on cycle, but won't help lipids, blood
Reassure, and any other health issues you may experience. That's why I would suggest N2guard there, but that's your call. There's also the possibility of estrogen rebound in PCT so I would low dose an AI if you can. Otherwise, what you have listed is the bare minimum I would go with

 

[Nelson Montana]

Why drop your TRT while on? You're just substituting a weaker steroid for a real one.

Nolva does not help with recovery.

Look into UNLEASHED. It's good for PCT and while on TRT.

 

[jackthunder]

Ok- thanks for all the help. Trying to get what I can for the money so how bout this:

Would this work?

45 day Cycle:
Oxandrovar x3
Nolva 10mg
1g Milk Thistle

PCT:
Nolva 60mg wk1,40mg wk2, 30mg wk3, 20mg wk4

Test Stack
Aromasin

Plus I stay on my full dose testosterone the whole time.

As for "Unleashed", isn't that what the "Test Stack" is for? Did I miss something there?

Sorry for being so ignorant folks. Thanks for all the feedback.

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[RickRock13]

Well,technically if you are going to be on TRT and stay on it, you won't need a PCT buddy...since you will still be on exogenerous hormones and recovery is impossible

 

[jackthunder]

Is it possible to get off the testosterone using a rebound stack? I was prescribed it for an acute event- not a chronic problem. I switched doctors and my new one kept me on it so I just didn't bother telling him. I assume I can still produce t but wouldn't know how to taper off and hate to talk to my doctor.

Anyway, is this 12.5 mg right for the anastralozole? Looks like most folks are selling bottles of 1mg/ml in 60 ml bottles... Wouldn't that only be about 5 doses per $70+ bottle? I might be misunderstanding that.

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[RickRock13]

Is it possible to get off the testosterone using a rebound stack? I was prescribed it for an acute event- not a chronic problem. I switched doctors and my new one kept me on it so I just didn't bother telling him. I assume I can still produce t but wouldn't know how to taper off and hate to talk to my doctor.

Anyway, is this 12.5 mg right for the anastralozole? Looks like most folks are selling bottles of 1mg/ml in 60 ml bottles... Wouldn't that only be about 5 doses per $70+ bottle? I might be misunderstanding that.

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It's possible to come off of the TRT and have healthy natural testosterone levels, but it depends a lot on a number of factors like how long you've been on it, how good of a PCT you run, age, diet, etc...

It's up to you what you want to do here, but if you can go without TRT and produce your own testosterone at a healthy level, then that is best.


What you want is aromasin (Exemestane). The dosage given was for that at 12.5mg EOD

 

[jackthunder]

Actually, if I can get off the T that's a priority. Ive been on it about a year I think.

If I taper the T down 25% every two weeks and use the exemestane at 12.5 mg EOD for a month in conjunction with a ramping up dose of something like Test Stack, then get blood work at around the 5th week for the T levels, does that sound reasonable?

Thanks

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[RickRock13]

Actually, if I can get off the T that's a priority. Ive been on it about a year I think.

If I taper the T down 25% every two weeks and use the exemestane at 12.5 mg EOD for a month in conjunction with a ramping up dose of something like Test Stack, then get blood work at around the 5th week for the T levels, does that sound reasonable?

Thanks

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You won't be able to start recovering until you are completely off of the testosterone, because as long as that is in your system you will be shutdown. I wouldn't start your PCT until you stop injections

 

[jackthunder]

OK. I guess well before I do a cycle I'll get off the T. I'm gonna go down 25% every 3 weeks and have blood work done on the 13th week or so...

Thank you so much for a your help. I think getting off the T is most important.

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[fizzisnumerouno]

I would suggest running Oxandrovar instead, which will give you much better results than halodrol. Check it out at www.myproh.com

I was thinking the same thing bro. Ox is the truth. Many of the bros on the forums ran it with supreme results.

 

[jackthunder]

Well I will try that but I think my new priority is to get off the T. I just want to be positive I'm understanding correctly, I just want to taper off the T- no other support like exemastane or tamoxifen - just taper off then do blood work. Right?

Thanks again

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[Zyglamail]

Why drop your TRT while on? You're just substituting a weaker steroid for a real one.

My thoughts exactly!

Also, jackthunder, what exactly are your goals here?

Lets face it, your 46 years old, clearly not a competitor, so what do you hope to get from all this besides elevated liver values? What exactly do you want that TRT dose of test isnt giving you?

On trt over the last 3 years I have gained 35lbs on the scale and at the same time dropped significant bodyfat. The net result is about a 50lb mass gain, nice slow and steady gains and continue to drop BF while mostly maintaining mass if not gaining ever so slightly month to month.

Keep in mind im also in my mid 40's and yes I do have the history of being a life long lifter and I have been larger than my current 255lbs but my point is no less valid.

If your not getting where you need to be on TRT test you need to take a serious look at your training, diet and supplementation. Adding mass gets hard as we get older, recovery is slower and nearly everyone has a life long deficiency of one type or another that has been ignored.

I had been struggling, even when I started TRT to get decent results but it wasnt until I really dialed in my supplementation that things really came around for me.

 

[jackthunder]

Actually, I want to live without the T- if possible. I'll worry about other gains later. I tapered off 25% today, planning on 2-3 weeks at this dose. Do I need any other support? Kind of thought I needed an ai to do this so my plan is to take 12 weeks to get off the T. The last 8 weeks I'll do 20mg of Nolva per day.

Ugh... I -think- that sounds right... Should I take anything after 12 weeks?


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[Zyglamail]

Actually, I want to live without the T- if possible. I'll worry about other gains later. I tapered off 25% today, planning on 2-3 weeks at this dose. Do I need any other support? Kind of thought I needed an ai to do this so my plan is to take 12 weeks to get off the T. The last 8 weeks I'll do 20mg of Nolva per day.

Ugh... I -think- that sounds right... Should I take anything after 12 weeks?


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If your goal is to get off test altogether, then why on earth would you run a prohromone?

Truth be told hormone levels decline with age, for many though the decline is more severe and set in sooner due to nutritional deficiencies. Thyroid function has been scientifically linked to low Test and some doc who routinely treat people for nutritional deficiencies claim 95% of the many thousands of patience they have treated are deficient in iodine, which is essential for thyroid hormone production.

 

[jackthunder]

Yeah- the cycle's out for now. Just gonna the boys working again. Will add iodine to mix.

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[Zyglamail]

Yeah- the cycle's out for now. Just gonna the boys working again. Will add iodine to mix.

Do your homework first, dont just run out and buy some crappy kelp supplement.

 

[jackthunder]

Darn it, that's exactly where I was headed with it. If not a kelp derivative then what?

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[Zyglamail]

Darn it, that's exactly where I was headed with it. If not a kelp derivative then what?

lugols solution, 5% ideally, or iodarol tablets are really your best bet. Taking iodine if selenium deficient can make things even worse so you should be taking selenium 200-400mcg daily as well at least.

 

[jackthunder]

Will do- thank you

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