Ok, so I'm confused about Clomid.. Anti E's, etc.

[Lestat]

So when I first started on Elite, I had the typical attitude towards AS that the general public does.

I thought of it as dangerous, cheating, something that gave you acne, shrank your balls, shut down your natural testoserone, made your hair fall out, swelled up your prostate, gave you man boobs, etc.

So when coming on here I got the general impression that sure, all of those side effects are POSSIBLE, but when AS is used responsibly with the proper precautions, all of the risky could be mitigated for the most part.

A big part of mitigating those risks was using Anti=E's. These would prevent the man boobs, stop bloating up, and stop estrogenic fat.

Another big thing was to use Clomid when you got off, so that your natural test production would recover.

In addtion to that you can take proscar for your hair and prostate as it mitigates the risk of the extra DHT.

And then for acne.. well you gotta wash well, maybe get something prescription strength.

But now, more recently, I am seeing posts that say DON'T use Anti E's.. DON'T use Clomid post cyle..

So what is to stop you from getting the man boobs? What is to keep you from going 3-4 weeks or more post cycle with small nuts and no natural test?

Needless to say it is very confusing.

Some people say use clomid after something mild like Var.. other say don't bother! Some people say use an Anti E with test, no matter how small the dosage.. others say only use it if you are taking large amounts of test.. Where is the truth?

 

[The Terminator]

Anti-e's are a necessity in my book. But then again I have a good grasp of what my body can take before the estrogen related sides manifest themselves beyond my liking...

 

[LongBall]

Its not worth it to me to find out if what is now being said is true or not. I know that when am on a cycle if I take precautions (liquidex and novaldex on hand, and clomid after) I have not exoerienced any of the side effects as of yet. I am not willing to try it the other way. just my .02



LongBall

 

[Zoomster]

Anyone advocating the non use of Anti - E's is full of shit. Have them on hand and use them when you need them. Gyno can happen, why get caught short handed? Don't take them when it is not necessary, but have them on hand.

 

[Warmachine_01]

im not sure i respond well to anti aromatases, that said, i love nolva and clomid.
try a cycle without clomid, i have and i lost EVERYTHING. if you dont need to take nolva, great, but ALWAYS keep it around. arimidex/ femara are not as good, this is something else i learned through painful experiance.

use nolva and clomid. they are good.

 

[Capricorn_Mike]

Lestat - Im with you brotha. Im confused as hell lately. Its like the new fad is to juice without taking all the usual side effect precautions (anti-es ,clomid ,HCG ,ect...).

It used to be that if you did a cycle with something like test or dbol and didnt take an anti-e throughout the entire cycle everyone told you that you were gonna get gyno for sure. Nowadays people say that if you take an anti-e throughout your entire cycle the only thing your doing is hindering your gains. I dont know what to believe anymore ,and Im to scared of getting gyno to try out a cycle without an anti-e.

Im also not a big fan of waiting for signs of gyno before starting nolvadex treatment. If I did that it would mean that I already have some gyno. So what if the nolvadex keeps me from getting anymore. I dont want any in the first place. I would rather run an anti-e throughout the entire cycle and possibly hinder my gains than even get a slight case of gyno.

And while were on the subject of anti-es hindering gains. Does anybody even know how much less your gains will be if you use an anti-e throughout your entire cycle? I mean what are we talking about here 2-3 pounds? 5 pounds? 10 ? What?




Capricorn_Mike

 

[Jman88]

Use anti-e's. They are moderately expensive. But why risk it and get some unnecessary side effects that you could have prevented. Better to be safe than sorry.

Most of us are dong this for vain/appearance-and how could you can look bolated and with bitch tits?

 

[bbkingpin]

It is Nelson Montana's fault: He Posts "Reconsidering the Use of Anti-Es" and now all of the talking parrots are repeating it and accepting it like gospel. How do we know that Nelson Montana isn't writing from a 5x5 cell at an insane asylum? I'm being facetious. But how dare a guy, just because he has a book out (which I believe GS has a piece of), who pretends to be some kind of scientist contradict all of the conventional wisdom re usage and safety precautions that have been proven over the years by ACTUAL USERS who have either suffered from sides and alleviated them with anti-es, clomid, HCG, or been able to prevent them by listening to the wisdom of those who learned the hard way. LESTAT -- I'm glad you brought this up. Stick with all of the precautionary ancillaries -- e.g., nolva, clomid, etc. -- that you had researched before just naively jumping into AAS usage. Because, for a self-proclaimed guru to now fuck up your plan of usage (along with your precautions as to reducing side-effects) is OUTRAGEOUS!