OK FOLD - topic for discussion....

[The Shadow]

What is most important:

1 - Number of days per week

2 - Selection of exercises

3 - Diet

4 - Intensity

5 - Recovery - which is related to #1.

 

[The Shadow]

C'mon guys - a hint - it isn't number 5.

 

[Deciever]

3!

 

[The Shadow]

I agree completely - the othe rfactor, even gear do not matter if the diet isn't right.

I know this idea isn't rocket science but ALL trianers should realize that diet is the MOST important(even over genetics) and overlooked component in a traing regimine.

 

[b fold the truth]

Yeah, I am going with number 3 also. My diet may be a lot different from most bodybuilders...but I can tell a big difference in my performance if I eat the way that I should.

B True

 

[The Shadow]

I assume the flax oil and whey protein help out looking at your last contest results....you seem a bit leaner as well.

 

[louden_swain]

Number 3, if you don't eat right you will gain very little.

 

[Deciever]

do i get a prize for being the winner cause i answered first?

I need to work on my diet a bit.. maybe.. im kinda lazy.
I just eat lots of meat, and the occasional snack.. so its not that bad.

 

[b fold the truth]

I assume the flax oil and whey protein help out looking at your last contest results....you seem a bit leaner as well.

I began taking 1 scoop of triple threat for/with breakfast, 2 scoops post workout, and 1 scoop before bed...all adding a tablespoon of flax in there with it. I'm not for sure what it was that worked...but I did feel bigger, stronger, and I gained 5 pounds from one conest to the next (4 weeks).

I am sold on the triple threat....

B True

 

[spatts]

For what goal?

 

[Lumberg]

I think the EFas are converted directloy to Test in my body. I am super lazy aned mnot wantoing to work. But I have my libido out ouf contraol., I mean three times last night than once this morning.l Damn!!!!! I need to start devoting this energy to lifting the weights!

 

[Arioch]

None of the above.

Attitude.

 

[gettinlarger]

holy hell. arioch may have it ...

 

[ZZuluZ]

I was just about to say 'none of the above' but for different reasons.

Why would recovery be tied into #1? What about contrast showers? GPP? Cardio? Stretching? Icing? Active recovery?

In any case, none of the variables take prescedence; they need to be diligently seeken to optimize your goals. As such, the question is somewhat void.

-Zulu

 

[gmanlax7]

you won't get anywhere without intensity !

 

[b fold the truth]

There are tons of factors that go into progressive resistance training. All must be dealt with properly. I feel, with myself, that my diet plays a large role in how strong that I am. I know that the intensity is going to be there, the attitude, the proper program, and rest...but diet is the one thing that always fluctuates. I must concentrate on eating a lot of food...and often.

For me...diet is the most important...even though my diet is a lot different from most others.

B True

 

[ZZuluZ]

"you won't get anywhere without intensity !"

Are you defining intensity as effort?

In both cases I disagree.

-Zulu

 

[edgecrusher]

All things being equal, I take it we are accepting the fact that we are all exercising. That being said, all the intensity in the world will not help you, if you do not take in the nutrients necessary to grow. All these factors are intinsiquley linked. Without all of them in place, you will never reach your full potential.

 

[nikkita]

For me, importance ranks as this

1. Diet (without this one other aims are difficult to achieve)
2. Recovery - I would consider this a separate point
3. Selection of exercises
4. Intensity
5. Number days per week

 

[ZZuluZ]

While they are intrinsically linked it'd be interesting to see the true importance of diet.

My suspicion is that it isn't overly important, but that's just my personal guess.

-Zulu

 

[coolcolj]

They're all related!

If you don't recover then you won't gain, you actually go backwards.

Diet helps recovery and thus super-compensation.

But without intensity you won't cause the body the need to super-compensate

 

[The Shadow]

While they are intrinsically linked it'd be interesting to see the true importance of diet.

My suspicion is that it isn't overly important, but that's just my personal guess.

-Zulu

Easy - try bulking on 1000 calories per day of cutting on 5000.

 

[ZZuluZ]

It is my belief that the body will adapt irrespective of nutrition. Not as optimally, of course.

What good is counting calories if you're not training at all?

Exactly, it doesn't make sense when it and 'this OR that' statement.

It'd be like asking:

"Do you prefer drinking or eating"?

The question isn't sound.

-Zulu

 

[The Shadow]

It is my belief that the body will adapt irrespective of nutrition. Not as optimally, of course.

What good is counting calories if you're not training at all?

Exactly, it doesn't make sense when it and 'this OR that' statement.

It'd be like asking:

"Do you prefer drinking or eating"?

The question isn't sound.

-Zulu

1 - training is implied in the way the quesion was asked.

2 - Question is VERY sound.....why isn't it?



So you are telling me that the body will adapt and grow new muscle on a 1000 calorie per day diet??

 

[b fold the truth]

Remember that there are tons of gray areas in this sport... I think that those gray areas is where each and every one of us fall into. Nothing is black and white...therefore it makes it very difficult to state facts...

Let's try not to question everything as if our answers are the best...and not try to pick apart evey person's posts. Some things must be taken for granted.

B True

 

[Liberator]

In order to achieve a specific goal in bodybuilding you will need to build a foundation for which to go about achieving this goal, and un-fortunately wether it is to cut fat or biuld mass, the highest priority, the leader if you like, is always going to be your diet.

You have to have a sound diet in place before you step into the gym if you expect to achieve something. Everyone knows this.

Lets be serious, this is a body"building" site, we all want to achieve something, so therefore diet is of the highest priority.

 

[Imnotdutch]

1 - training is implied in the way the quesion was asked.

2 - Question is VERY sound.....why isn't it?



So you are telling me that the body will adapt and grow new muscle on a 1000 calorie per day diet??

Assuming that the question is asked from a bodybuilding perspective then I would say diet too. If you aren't taking in the calories to even maintain your bodyweight, let alone increase it, you can't expect to grow.

However, zzZuluzz has been spending some time on the powerlifting board so he might be looking at this from that perspective. I believe Dave Tate of Westside Barbell is on record as saying diet isn't all that important.....somebody correct me if I am wrong. However, I have to say that diet makes a big difference to me.

 

[ZZuluZ]

"2 - Question is VERY sound.....why isn't it? "

Because various variables interact with each other.

What good is asking about frequency when it directly related to volume, intensity, effort, recuperation??

"
However, zzZuluzz has been spending some time on the powerlifting board so he might be looking at this from that perspective."

Not really, I just think the body is capable of a lot more than people think. The body will find SOME way to adapt or else it will die.

-Zulu