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Obama Lays-Out $1.5T in New Taxes

Well it's just one of those things that you'll never know i guess. I mean when you see people on tv shows being interviewed they're talking about having applied for jobs that don't just pay a little less...but pay 10's of thousands less. And these are people at job fairs. Secrataries talking about applying to jobs completely out of their skillset and pay but they have no choice. They could be lying or they could be lying or they could be overexaggerating things, i don't know. I think in a normal downturn what you and plunkey talked about probably does happen, I just don't think it's happening now. But who knows, you might be right. You can't really take a good sample on that one. But just off the top the story you told about manufacturing clients looking to hire doesn't sound right and you have to understand that. People are practically fist fighting for manufacturing jobs so someone saying we can't find enough people, well it just doesn't sound right to what you hear is going on. You mind if I ask where you live that there's so much manufacturing jobs?


not where i live...at least a dozen times in the last year i've heard this same story from my clients and other business contacts..."i interviewed and hired 3 people yesterday...they were to start work on monday...2 of them called me the next day and said that they sat down and figured out that they have 6 weeks of unemployment left, so they aren't going to come to work on monday." all of my clients, particularly the manufacturers, are looking to hire...many are significantly understaffed, with many current employees getting lots of overtime...it's VERY disappointing to see so many people that weren't raised to have some pride.

when i was a kid, my dad was a crane operator and there were many times when there just wasn't work in our area and he had to work out of town for extended periods of time...he missed numerous sporting events that my brothers and i were in and numerous other family fucntions...and, if we would have had to move (which was contemplated over the years) we would have...period...that's just what you did...and that's the way i was raised/trained...anyone that wasn't? they are inferior to me...plain and simple...and, push-come-to-shove, i would eat their lunch because my mindset makes me a superior worker/employee...it's a new world order...time to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and get out there and figure out the new rules...or be left behind...to wallow in mediocrity...waiting for some son-of-a-bitch like me to come along and take your lunch money.
 
So?? what gives?? I thought barry was going to spread it around, make things a level playing field??

then why are black males unemployed at 46% vs general population??

I guess i need to do more digging to find out what that employment rate is under bush, or any other president..

Anyone want to help out the family farm?? NO?? cause the larger outfits can produce the product faster, better and cheaper...

Why does that not apply to "Jobs" ???

If you can't change, retrain, or adapt people are doomed to fail, starve and whine...

Can't find a job in your skill set?? You better change..

I'll hire anyone that can show up 5x week at 8am-5pm... @ $25 per hour.. any takers??


































1st question everyone asks me is ????? What do i have to do??

What does it fucking matter, are you eating beans?? NO?? then maybe you need to eat some beans then you won't care and I can begin to retrain you into a skill set someone is willing to pay you for..
 
Well it's just one of those things that you'll never know i guess. I mean when you see people on tv shows being interviewed they're talking about having applied for jobs that don't just pay a little less...but pay 10's of thousands less. And these are people at job fairs. Secrataries talking about applying to jobs completely out of their skillset and pay but they have no choice. They could be lying or they could be lying or they could be overexaggerating things, i don't know. I think in a normal downturn what you and plunkey talked about probably does happen, I just don't think it's happening now. But who knows, you might be right. You can't really take a good sample on that one. But just off the top the story you told about manufacturing clients looking to hire doesn't sound right and you have to understand that. People are practically fist fighting for manufacturing jobs so someone saying we can't find enough people, well it just doesn't sound right to what you hear is going on. You mind if I ask where you live that there's so much manufacturing jobs?

northcentral pa...powdered metal manufacturing and secondary manufacturer's abound...and they're all busier than hell, but i have business contacts around the country that are telling me the same story...are some of the metropolitan areas suffering? probably. so, maybe it's time for a move?? that's what people used to do when they needed to find work...they moved or worked out of town and had no life...sometimes for extended periods of time...no one ever guaranteed that you would be able to have leisure time or that you would get a raise every year or that you would even make the same amount of money every year or that you wouldn't have to go backwards or that you wouldn't have to learn how to live with less and still be happy or that you wouldn't have to reassess your definition of "success".

you know what will happen if people in general end up making less money? shit will end up costing less...look at the prices of real estate around the country...do you think that shit is going to come back anytime soon?? haha, not a chance! nope, things have changed...in many cases, probably forever...wrap your arms around it...hug it...get comfortable with it...change is upon us...lead, follow, or get out of the way.
 
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Can you see how disappointed I am because this thread isn't about salt and vinegar potato chips?
 
Who said anything about bankrupting them? How many of "the rich" went bankrupt the last time the taxes were at the proposed rate?

That's exactly what the problem is. Some people on the Left, don't understand the mentality that makes a person or a company, have money in the bank in the first place. The way it is now, and the Dems think it's OK, I guess, is to keep big corporations just barely making enough money to keep afloat, and to pay their stockholders a modest amount. To a corporate leader, "just getting by" is bankruptcy in a sense. But the problem is, how will the corporation grow, if it's just getting by? It needs extra profits to put aside for later, and when investors see those profits sitting safely in the bank, they will come up to invest more and more money in that company, and with all that money, the corporation can grow and hire more people, and pay them nicely.

Let's use an example: A person makes $100K/year, and keeps $55K after taxes and social security. After expenses and daily living, let's say they have $10K to put away or spend. They probably, if they're wise, will not go out and hire a maid or a gardener, and they'll wait 'til they've put that $10K a year away for several years, and have enough in the bank for about 3 years expenses saved up. But if, let's say they were able to keep $90K of that $100K earned, then no problem hiring a maid, a gardener, and probably go buy a new car too. Now we have two people with jobs, and a car sold, and a happy homeowner with bills paid to date, and still putting away for the future, so he/she won't be racing to the welfare office if something goes wrong later.

That's how it is proven to work, but people just won't do that, and the government won't see it either, and they keep thinking that by keeping middle and upper middle income taxes high, somehow people will magically get jobs. Not gonna happen!!!!!!

And another major gripe I have with the Left: Why should it bother anyone if a CEO does something right, and gets a $5mil bonus? I'm not talking about cheaters, and the media loves to report on the Bernie Madoffs of the world, and he belongs in prison. But he's not the average CEO or average billionaire. He's a crook, and putting all "rich" people in his category is pure bigotry.

How about a Google search on a man named Levi Smith, of Texon, TX; founder of Big Lake Oil Co. He was a multi,multimillionaire Texas oilman, and when you read what he did for people, you'd feel bad you ever said anything negative about oilmen. He discovered oil in the Permian Basin in West Texas, and ultimately is one of the founders of Texaco and Marathon Oil, and Halliburton, Inc. Then you can Google J.B. Chilton, of Comanche, TX. A multimillionaire Texas banker and cattleman, who started the Comanche National Bank, and ran it on good conservative principles. It was the ONLY BANK in the State of Texas, not to fail during the Crash of 1929. And he accomplished that by being honest and ridiculously generous. You'll never hear about good "rich" people and good "big corporations" in the news. It doesn't sell.

Charles
 
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And another major gripe I have with the Left: Why should it bother anyone if a CEO does something right, and gets a $5mil bonus?

Why should it bother anyone if the CEO practically bankrupts the company, has to receive federal bailout money, and still takes a $5mil bonus?

Why should it bother anyone if the CEO lays off a hundred $50K/year workers, and takes a $5mil bonus?
 
and they keep thinking that by keeping middle and upper middle income taxes high, somehow people will magically get jobs.

You do realize that, right now, the GOP wants to increase taxes on the middle class (via expiration of the payroll tax cut) whereas Obama only wants to raise taxes on those with income over $1 million, and even then he simply wants to make sure they pay at least 25%.

Is a 25% effective tax rate too much for someone who makes more than $1 million annually?
 
You do realize that, right now, the GOP wants to increase taxes on the middle class (via expiration of the payroll tax cut) whereas Obama only wants to raise taxes on those with income over $1 million, and even then he simply wants to make sure they pay at least 25%.

Is a 25% effective tax rate too much for someone who makes more than $1 million annually?

If it's on income that's already been taxed, then a 25% (or 20% or 15%) double tax is insanely too high. We need to dispense with the ridiculous concept of taxing something that's already been taxed.
 
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