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- Thread starter Nelson Montana
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Great post.
No. Because the cause of death was generic heart failure it is impossible to speculate on what could have caused it and I think disrespectful to his memory.Improvise said:
What we do know is that gear use is not a game and there is much more to responsible use than just pinning yourself in the right place, in a manner that reduces the risk of infection, with an amount of a compound that is right for what you want to achieve, for a reasonable time period, and have a good PCT planned.
What everyone knows but does not always consider, is that all these things we take—whether it’s anabolics, serms, anti-estrogens, diuretics, CNS Stims, thyroid drugs, insulin, growth hormones, etc. are extremely strong drugs or substances that alter, some permanently, the fundamental chemistry and functioning of your body.
Just because these drugs exist does not mean you need to or should take them.
Just because you can take a gram of test a week because you have a closetful of anti-estrogens does not mean you should.
If you are at 20% body fat you don’t need a t-3/clen stack you need a treadmill and cork in your mouth when the urge to hit krispy kreme takes hold.
You do not need a diuretic unless you are holding a bit of water the night before a competition. Change the ph of your blood more than .06 either up or down direction and you will die.
Have a fever and a red hot lump on your ass—go to a doc now.
Don’t know what anaphylaxis is or what the symptoms of anaphylactic shock are? then don’t run gear.
Don’t know the difference between intramuscular and subcutaneous—don’t run gear.
Think you need insulin? Tell us which national magazine featured pics of you or when you got your pro card and and we will tell you if you need it.
If you have never had a full blood panel done to establish a baseline, get one before you start or at least when you have been off for a long time.
sorry for the rant but I just needed to vent--the point is that the majority of bros that use gear and really know what they are doing can make mistakes--some of which cannot be fixed.
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Wow what a thread. Great post Nelson. And Eddy of course also. Tons of great info in here.
terribleperson
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How old was he? How long had he been using?
he was 31--a good bro and a good friend.
any other facts are immaterial at this point so the questions specifically about Guardian/8and20 end here.
any other facts are immaterial at this point so the questions specifically about Guardian/8and20 end here.
BigGuyPHX
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Great post Nelson!!!
My family and I have been around the sport my entire life 37 years!!! and I often wonder why and dont say a word when I read some of the wild-ass crazy mother fucking brainless TOXIC stacks some bros are on around here. Top pros wouldnt even touch some of these monster stacks!!!
You got one body to last you a lifetime why fuck it up???
My father is 70 looks 50, my brother 50 and looks 30, and Im 37 and drop dead sexy to my barely legal girls and it all come from living smart and bodybuilding smart.
Again GREAT post Nelson.
BigGuy
My family and I have been around the sport my entire life 37 years!!! and I often wonder why and dont say a word when I read some of the wild-ass crazy mother fucking brainless TOXIC stacks some bros are on around here. Top pros wouldnt even touch some of these monster stacks!!!
You got one body to last you a lifetime why fuck it up???
My father is 70 looks 50, my brother 50 and looks 30, and Im 37 and drop dead sexy to my barely legal girls and it all come from living smart and bodybuilding smart.
Again GREAT post Nelson.
BigGuy
I here what your saying but lets not forget guys from back in the day were probably using enormous amounts, or so they thought for the time. Im willing to bet Arnold was the biggest "abuser" of his time. Does that compare to todays standards. No, but I think the mentality wasnt all that different. Just scaled down times 100.lol
BigGuyPHX said:Nelson in 3 2 1...
LOL!
Bro you would be surprised how low the amounts they were using back in the day. Remember PCT was unheard of so huge cycles would have made a lot of bros tits back then look like Pam Andersons!
BigGuy
Oh, i know they used extremely low amounts but at the time they thought they were using alot.
I kinda think of the golden era as I time that I could have flourished if I could travel back in time. I think they were ground breakers, but doesnt mean they were the best. Theres some guys now on the national level that Im sure if they used the same amounts as these old school guys would still blow them out of the water.
I mean , come on...Ken Waller and Mike Katz....they had horrible physiques. Just not that impressed with many of them. Kinda like how Royce Gracie dominated the early days of UFC. Now he gets his ass handed to him. The sport has progressed for the better imo.
