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not feeling too good.. how should i change my stack?

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willpkr

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so i feel a bit ill and when in the gym, my heart really races to the point i often stop and start feeling my heart and feel a bit scared i may have a heart attack!! maybe just paranoia.. but even now when im resting, i feel bad

so currently im taking 110mg dbol, 50mg winstrol, 40mcg clen and 100mcg t3 ED. (on third week)
my strength has increased a lot, and reasonable size increase, but im just not feeling good. so..
how should i change this, any recommendations please?
 
STOP you have absolutely no idea what you are doing.
Jesus bro , i hope that dbol dosage is a typo ? 110mg FUCKKKK !

What are you basic stats ? and cycle history...?

Edit : Just read your previous posts ,dont ignore the advice you got from RADAR ,southernlord and others... for your own sake.
 
just checked my resting heart rate, 118 bpm... this also scares me.
however, ive heard 100mg or so of dbol is safe? i say 110 but it varies from 90-120 in reality..
may just remove clen and drop t3 to 50mcg.. then, see how it goes? or really is this much dbol bad? hmm... what about 80mg?
 
I HOPE COLUMBO IS RIGHT - 110 OF DBOL??? im doing 25 a day for the first 4 weeks of my stack and i'm more than happy with the gains i made off it (granted mostly water but still) I'm with moya - STOP and get a good PCT and then go back to the drawing board - i think u have a lot to learn !!!!!
 
The most D-bol a man should ever need is 40-50mg tops. If you cant see good results off that you dont need to be on it bro. I would venture to say that its prolly raising your blood pressure through the roof.
 
Columbo is right!Holy fuck dude your lucky ur alive plus the clen WOW is all i can say.Who the fuck told you 100mg of dbol is a good dosage(probally same dumbass that sold it to ya),50-60 mg is really pushing,its also obvious you have no cycle exsperience and even the winstol at 50mg is high imo.Put all your stuff in a drawer somewhere go to gnc research for a year or so and if you still wanna go this route get it back out and finish yourself off.On a serious note man really STOP,ur lucky u havent had a hattack or anuriszm yet,eveything is to high,out of wack and wrong compounds if you were to get you bp checked right now your dr would smack the shit outta you if he wasnt afraid itd kill you.And yes at those levels death is a possibility.
 
willpkr, I would really like to know if someone told you to do this stack or is this something that "you" thought you should do? Bro all of this stuff is serious drugs. If these drugs are used in ignorance they can KILL you!
Just get off all of it RIGHT NOW!
PM any of mods and ask them how to get yourself straightend out.
Then stay on here and learn how and what to do.
Thank God that you came here and posted up cuz I feel that otherwise someone would soon be reading an OBIT on you.
 
okay. lets figure this out. you are taking 4-5X more dbol then what a newb should take per day. you should take 30mg per day WITH liver support. and even at 30mg ED you are still gonna get the heavy aromatization associated with dbol. to put it in simple terms the dbol your taking is giving you a shitload of water weight hence your heart and liver are getting fkd up!

never run dbol at such high doses and never run it without AI's. add to that the clen you are taking i believe you said and you are walking a tight rope. you are gonna kill yourself.
 
and what are your stats? cant wait to hear that. i'm guessing you are overweight correct? probably <20 years old? i'm so sick of kids taking steroids. i wish they woud pass a law if anyone under 21 does steroids they go to jail for a long time. leave steroids for the adults, i'm tired of taking heat from people cuz of ignorant young kids who abuse my hobby.

like moya said above you give all steroid users a bad name. bro you need to do some better research to understand what steroids do. you need to learn how and why dbol converts to estrogen and what that means.. and how to prevent it etc.
 
Is that Winny oral too?
Either way you need all the liver support that you can buy right now.
Milk Thistle
Forged Liver Support
Liv 52
These 3 at least and all the water you can drink.
No alcohol of any kind what-so-ever for at leat 1 month.
 
thank you for the helpful posts. i know realistically i should probably stop it all, but i know i wont, being honest with myself. so im going to half the dosage of everything. 50mg dbol, 25mg winstrol, No clen, and 50mcg t3.. this looks safer i think... right? i just cant see me totally going off, not yet.. thank you guys
 
willpkr said:
age 21 5'7.. 175lbs.. 20% bf *embarressed*
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i dont believe you are 21... 90% of posters on here say they are 21 and they are really in high school.

and that height and weight for a newb would put your bf in the mid 20's. but anyway you want to make a fool out of people on here then you are only risking your own life.

2nd off what is your goal? if you want to lose bf then the dbol is not gonna help you reach that goal. there is so much wrong with your stack the best thing would be to blow it up and start over.

if your goal is to lose bf, then diet and exercise is what you need to do. because the stack you are running is useless. you will only gain everything back and more unless you change your diet and lifestyle first. even at 50mg dbol you will be gaining a shitload of water weight and you will look like a bloated fish. do you know what AI means? i strongly suggest you research that if you insist on continueing dbol.
 
nah i am 21.. im not cutting, im eating on average 3500 cals.. just have the t3 and clen in there, since i dont want to get much fatter while i bulk since im already high BF... plus clen is meant to increase strength, while t3 supposedly increases protein synthesis? hmmm
 
stevesmi said:
i dont believe you are 21... 90% of posters on here say they are 21 and they are really in high school.

and that height and weight for a newb would put your bf in the mid 20's. but anyway you want to make a fool out of people on here then you are only risking your own life.

2nd off what is your goal? if you want to lose bf then the dbol is not gonna help you reach that goal. there is so much wrong with your stack the best thing would be to blow it up and start over.

if your goal is to lose bf, then diet and exercise is what you need to do. because the stack you are running is useless. you will only gain everything back and more unless you change your diet and lifestyle first.
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The guy came onto this site for help and advice and admitted he was embarrassed to provide his stats. Let's cut him a break and advise him to punch the guy in the face who told him to do this cycle. That would be more appropriate
 
WinnyPumps said:
The guy came onto this site for help and advice and admitted he was embarrassed to provide his stats. Let's cut him a break and advise him to punch the guy in the face who told him to do this cycle. That would be more appropriate
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i answered what i suggest to do.

blow up the entire stack and stop everything.. focus on diet and exercise.

and if he plans on using dbol in the future to learn about it and what it does. and learn about AI's and water retention/estrogen.

if anything i thought i was easy on him considering what he is running and how he is feeling is close to making him a statistic.
 
WinnyPumps said:
The guy came onto this site for help and advice and admitted he was embarrassed to provide his stats. Let's cut him a break and advise him to punch the guy in the face who told him to do this cycle. That would be more appropriate
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Punch him in the face? Punch him in the face? Bro winny you be much nicer then I am. If someone fucked me up like that I would gut em and then run em over with a small car SEVERAL TIMEZ! Make that fucker suffer!:evil:

OP, bro you are being honest and that is appreciated. So Im gonna be honest with you and taking off the gloves.
Dude you have seriously fucked up!
You said that you cant see yourself going completely off the stuff. Bro you better! You have to have your liver to live.
You can alway go back on after you get your bod cleaned out.
How come you have to do this right now? What reason can possibly be good enough to end up dead over?
Bro we are not kidding you here. People do die from these chemicals and they do it all too freaquently just through ignorace.
Go off,
Clean up,
LEARN
Then go back on so that you get something out of it other then grief.
 
I dont think you really understand what your doing and have done,reread zeds post,youve been taking all that shit for weeks bro,The damage is done,yeah stopping will allow you recoop as much as your body can but as you said your not going to,your gonna cut in half,guess what thatll do?More damage-liver,heart,kidneys ahh fuck it who needs em right?Man your gonna kill yourself if you would just stop,relax and research ud save your health and get 10000 times better results,iM NOT trying to be a dick but just last month you were trying to take propiate anally and now look at this "how to kill yourself in 10 weeks" cycle-keep in mind bro this is your olny body your gonna get,there are no redos.
 
willpkr said:
nah i am 21.. im not cutting, im eating on average 3500 cals.. just have the t3 and clen in there, since i dont want to get much fatter while i bulk since im already high BF... plus clen is meant to increase strength, while t3 supposedly increases protein synthesis? hmmm
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Have you done any research on these.

Clen isnt for strength at all. Its for cutting. T3 is a thyroid hormone. Im not sure if it does or does not increase protein synthesis. It is also mainly used by individuals cutting.

Your going to hurt yourself if you keep this all up.
 
willpkr said:
so i feel a bit ill and when in the gym, my heart really races to the point i often stop and start feeling my heart and feel a bit scared i may have a heart attack!! maybe just paranoia.. but even now when im resting, i feel bad

so currently im taking 110mg dbol, 50mg winstrol, 40mcg clen and 100mcg t3 ED. (on third week)
my strength has increased a lot, and reasonable size increase, but im just not feeling good. so..
how should i change this, any recommendations please?
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Stop the clen and TAPER OFF of the T3. Drop the T3 dose by like 12.5mg every 2 days until you aren't taking anymore. You're most likely experiencing hyperthyroid symptoms from all of that T3 (heart palpitations, anxiety, zoned out feeling) plus sides from the clen.
 
This thread is exactly why steroid use leaves such a bad taste in the mouth of the public. People pop as much shit as they can without knowing what they are doing and risk hurting themselves for a couple lbs.
 
willpkr said:
so i feel a bit ill and when in the gym, my heart really races to the point i often stop and start feeling my heart and feel a bit scared i may have a heart attack!! maybe just paranoia.. but even now when im resting, i feel bad

so currently im taking 110mg dbol, 50mg winstrol, 40mcg clen and 100mcg t3 ED. (on third week)
my strength has increased a lot, and reasonable size increase, but im just not feeling good. so..
how should i change this, any recommendations please?
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Who told you to take that much Dbol? Do some moderate cardio,and for petes sake get a BP monitor and keep a check on that BP daily.also in conjunction with cardio watch your salt intake ,and take taurine, if you continue to keep feeling that way after another week see a Dr you may need a beta blocker.


In the meantime forget steroids at 21 you have enough natural test in your body to do anything.
 
well I tried to be tactful and tell you to stop the t3, clen, and decrease the dbol. To be honest the guys who gave you the hardest time are the real pros......you have to take your lumps on this site and learn...learn... and READ
 
Actually maka I hope youre right/. Cuz otherwise this dude is in a world of hurt or may even be dead already...:(
 
lol clen is notorious for panic attacks and anxiety and there's your answer buddy...
 
in all fairness besides the organ damage he should be feeling like a fucking champ on that lol dbol high like a mother fucker I agree that its wayyyy too much but people need to stop bashing and answer sincere questions now there are other noobs like the tricep thread that deserve to be bashed on the other hand
 
Yeah bro my fuckin head would just pop right off, spin around and then go splat on the ceiling.
 
i dont really understand though, why really is 100mg worse than 30mg? since when taking 30mg people usually do it all in one go in the AM right?
so, since the half life of dbol is so short, and i spread it throughout the day (40mg in AM, then 20mg every 4 hours thereafter til bedtime) i wont really have that much more dbol in my system than the guy taking 30mg all in 1 go? except ill just have more of the day covered??
thats my thinking anyway. that said im going doctors tomorrow to get checked out
 
:confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
willpkr said:
i dont really understand though, why really is 100mg worse than 30mg? since when taking 30mg people usually do it all in one go in the AM right?
so, since the half life of dbol is so short, and i spread it throughout the day (40mg in AM, then 20mg every 4 hours thereafter til bedtime) i wont really have that much more dbol in my system than the guy taking 30mg all in 1 go? except ill just have more of the day covered??
thats my thinking anyway. that said im going doctors tomorrow to get checked out
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I take dbol split up throughout the day, not all at one time. your hypothesis is incorrect.

you need to do more research

atleast you understand dbol has a short half life I will give that to you. now you need to keep reading up on it and learn.

read what i wrote above.. too much is counterproductive and will hurt you more then help for the reasons I stated in my earlier post.
 
thank you, ive managed to cut the t3 and clen now, although i feel a bit lethargic which is supposedly normal.. anyone know how long itll take for natural thyroid to come back? was only on t3 for 3 weeks
got hold of some anavar, also. so now im using 100mg dbol, 40mg var, 50mg winstrol.. hoping itll be good!
 
willpkr said:
so now im using 100mg dbol, 40mg var, 50mg winstrol.. hoping itll be good!
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until you shit your liver out. WTF is with all the orals?
 
willpkr said:
thank you, ive managed to cut the t3 and clen now, although i feel a bit lethargic which is supposedly normal.. anyone know how long itll take for natural thyroid to come back? was only on t3 for 3 weeks
got hold of some anavar, also. so now im using 100mg dbol, 40mg var, 50mg winstrol.. hoping itll be good!
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Just Freaking Stop everything now ,because you have no idea what you're doing.Your liver is going to shut down with all of those orals!
 
willpkr said:
thank you, ive managed to cut the t3 and clen now, although i feel a bit lethargic which is supposedly normal.. anyone know how long itll take for natural thyroid to come back? was only on t3 for 3 weeks
got hold of some anavar, also. so now im using 100mg dbol, 40mg var, 50mg winstrol.. hoping itll be good!
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No it won't. You have stopped the t3 and clen but added yet another oral steroid? Why aren't you listening to anyone here bro? These guys know what they're talking about and you'r just refusing to listen, doing your own thing anyway. We'r telling you to stop, fix up, then start again properly and achieve the results you are after.
 
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age 21 5'7.. 175lbs.. 20% bf *embarressed*
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Really, I do not say this to be mean but the honest truth is you have no reason to be on any sort of AAS, legal or otherwise. With your above stats your sporting about 140lbs of lean mass. That on par with someone who has never set foot in a gym or concerned themselves with a diet.

You clearly have not spent the time to dial in training and diet or you would have a much different body composition.

In addition to the that you are taking a silly amount and type of gear and endangering your health. You obviously dont have the knowledge to make gains or control fat so this unneeded risk to your health is just plain stupid. You have to step back and reevaluate your current condition, your goals and your lifestyle and get off all the shit your on before you hurt yourself.
 
someone who knows what they are doing will only take 1 oral at a moderate dose for a short period of time. most pro's only use an oral prior to a contest. oral steriods have a chemical in them so they can pass through the liver and not break the steroid down so it can get into the blood steam. this chemical is EXTREMELY damaging to the liver. amoung many other negative effects that orals do the main problem is that heavy and long use 'WILL' cause tumers in the liver and place you on the list for a liver transplant. the highest 'effective' dose for d-bol is maybe 50mg at the most. anything above 30mg is a waste, kinda like taking to much vitamins, and causes more damage than any good at all. wintrol, whether taken orally or injected, makes a pass through the liver and even though it is a 'mild' steroid in regards to results, that pass through the liver causes as much damage as the d-bol does. the same goes for anavar. so strike 1 is taking far to much d-bol, strike 2 is taking 2 orals and strike 3 is you are far to young and untrained to be using. not even counting the damage you are doing to your liver with just the d-bol alone you are causing so much damage to your young untrained body. ive know of so many young people who abused steriods in there young lives and ended up ruining there lives. example; a friend of mine who i played football with in h.s. has a condition now that the dr. can only describe as M.S. It is not 'officially' m.s. but he has all the symtoms and conditions of m.s. and he is POSITIVE it is due to his heavy use of steroids at such a young age. you are going to permanantly shut down your ability to produce natural test, you will be unable to use synthetic test as your liver/kidneys will be unable to process them and you will never father a child. and this dose not even include your idiotic use of clen and t-3. all you need is 10-15mcg of t-3 to speed up the prcess of protien synthesis as is your reason for use. taking 100mcg a day is a pre contest use and should only be done for minimum days as it not only burns fat but will also burn up your muscle!!! clen is also used for burning fat and using both high dose of t-3 and clen is jacking up your blood pressure which also causes damage to your liver....strike 3-4-5-and 6.....your dead. you are far to ignorant, young, and untrained to be using any of these compounds. keep doing what you are doing and you will cause so much unreversalable damage it will be the most regretable part of your life ever.
 
Yup we have all said it as plainly as we can. Now bro its up to you. How many times do you need to be:smash: hit over the head with this.?
You are putting a razor to your throat.
You are putting pressure on that razor.
You are dragging that razor accross your throat.
We are all telling you to stop right now.
Why wont you listen:confused:
 
willpkr said:
thank you, ive managed to cut the t3 and clen now, although i feel a bit lethargic which is supposedly normal.. anyone know how long itll take for natural thyroid to come back? was only on t3 for 3 weeks
got hold of some anavar, also. so now im using 100mg dbol, 40mg var, 50mg winstrol.. hoping itll be good!
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Why bother asking for advice if ur not taking it? I've been following this thread for a few days now and I've never seen anything like it, these guys know wtf they're talking about!!! I've been a member for almost a year and I'm just now getting ready to start my first cycle of test, I could just imagine what ur diet looks like, lol.
 
gymjunkie09 said:
Why bother asking for advice if ur not taking it? I've been following this thread for a few days now and I've never seen anything like it, these guys know wtf they're talking about!!! I've been a member for almost a year and I'm just now getting ready to start my first cycle of test, I could just imagine what ur diet looks like, lol.
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truth is, i came for advice really why i was feeling so bad, and judging from replies it was from clen and t3 in there mainly so i droppedit, taking the advice
reason im taking so much despite people advising against it, i generally think if pros can take this amount of gear why cant newbies? nothin special about their organs no? besides im young and such... and about liver issues, im told its okay as long as i watch out for dark urine, yellowing of the skin, at which point i would stop.. eh
the thing that worries me most is the HPTA shutdown.. im totally shutdown at the moment i know it, i have zero sex drive.. which is also putting me off stopping right now.. i just want to get to 200lbs then ill start being more reasonable with dosing... surely this is understandable???
 
willpkr said:
i just want to get to 200lbs then ill start being more reasonable with dosing... surely this is understandable???
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Drink 1 gallon whole milk a day for the next 12 weeks and you will be at 200lbs. Likely wont be all muscle but neither is 20lbs from the shit your taking if it even gets you that far then the question remains. If you cant add 20lbs on your own without AAS how the heck do you think your going to maintain it when you quite.

On an aside, pros dont take all the orals you do. You seem to be picking and choosing tid bits of what you see to support your fantasies and regardless of what the pros take, they know how to eat and train, you clearly dont by your current body comp.
 
At 40mg dbol I feel like shit too, when i combine it with Clen. Doses around 20-30mg is where I personally need to be to feel ok. 120mg is just insane, you need to stop what you are doing emediately, get on PCT and spend some time learning about what you are doing, I am not half as advanced as most in here, yet I almost choked on my coffee when I read your post. SERIOUSLY!
 
Not gonna read 6 pages of this. HOLY FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're the type of person that will dump assloads of shit into their body without even thinking. Jesus frickin wept!

DROP THE CLEN.

DROP THE T3.

DROP EVERYTHING imo.

You have no business using any of these compounds at this point in time.
 
i really hope this kid doesn't turn into a newspaper article
 
willpkr said:
truth is, i came for advice really why i was feeling so bad, and judging from replies it was from clen and t3 in there mainly so i droppedit, taking the advice
reason im taking so much despite people advising against it, i generally think if pros can take this amount of gear why cant newbies? nothin special about their organs no? besides im young and such... and about liver issues, im told its okay as long as i watch out for dark urine, yellowing of the skin, at which point i would stop.. eh
the thing that worries me most is the HPTA shutdown.. im totally shutdown at the moment i know it, i have zero sex drive.. which is also putting me off stopping right now.. i just want to get to 200lbs then ill start being more reasonable with dosing... surely this is understandable???
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Very nice excuse comparing your self to pro's they have built up a tolerance over the years,just like a crack addit, what is normal for them will kill the adverage joe. we all have given you the best advice possible whether you choose to heed it or follow .


it's your body you only have one -there are no second chances.






peace out!
RADAR
 
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