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I hope that dickhead launches a missile at us!

We'll hear this from the President:

"At 2pm pacific time N. Korea attempted to hit California with a missile.

At 3pm N. Korea ceased to exist.

At 4 pm Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine ceased to exist.

Have a nice day, your president"
 
I think it would be quite hilarious if the missle blew up on their launch pad. Then we could award the entire country the Darwin Award.

:D
 
chesty said:
I hope that dickhead launches a missile at us!

We'll hear this from the President:

"At 2pm pacific time N. Korea attempted to hit California with a missile.

At 3pm N. Korea ceased to exist.

At 4 pm Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine ceased to exist.

Have a nice day, your president"
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at 5 pm china deployed 2 million troops towards the US
 
Yeah, and how do they do that? They got a huge navy? Before they got a tenth of the way our subs, destroyers, planes, carriers, etc would have sunk everyone of them. Invade through Alaska? Please, same end result. Launch a missile at us? Hell launch several, 6pm, China no longer a threat!
 
chesty said:
Yeah, and how do they do that? They got a huge navy? Before they got a tenth of the way our subs, destroyers, planes, carriers, etc would have sunk everyone of them. Invade through Alaska? Please, same end result. Launch a missile at us? Hell launch several, 6pm, China no longer a threat!
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No shit. Give me a fighter jet and I can take out 1,000 of them. Its not about numbers its about how you use your weapons and when.
 
fistfullofsteel said:
7 pm: Chesty woke up.
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You think china could take us? No way. We would shit their shit out the sky if not turn it back against them. China isn't shit. It would take a coalition to take us down. A very big one. Even if they did bring their punkasses over here almost every citizen owns a gun. Its like a hornets nest.
 
true, the US could easily dessimate the army but china does have nuclear subs. get a couple of those on the outskirts of north america and i'm sure they could pick off some targets if action was taken against china/north korea. the US could turn the rest of the world into a smoking parking lot if need be, but i'm sure that there would be some civilian casualties on US soil. if nukes and ICBMs start to get involved, the shit will fly and fast. but who knows, the US spends $300B on defence so they probably have some tricks up their sleeve regarding missile interception and the like.
 
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Optimus B said:

at 5 pm china deployed 2 million troops towards the US
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You see how ignorant people are. Yes, 2 million sounds like a lot of people. However, how the hell are they going to get 2 million people here? They cant. How will they get past our navy and air force? It doesnt matter how many people they have they dont have the tools to get the job done.
 
Golfer18 said:


You think china could take us? No way. We would shit their shit out the sky if not turn it back against them. China isn't shit. It would take a coalition to take us down. A very big one. Even if they did bring their punkasses over here almost every citizen owns a gun. Its like a hornets nest.
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Are you a defense strategist? Where do you get your information? Do you work for the Pentagon? Did the Chinese tell you everything in their arsenal or do you work for the CIA and found out some how? Funny how when that spy plane went down in China and America wasn't acting so tough. In fact didn't they have to take the plane apart and send it back in pieces?
 
YES, N.Korea is very ignorant but if we think that we are invinceable then we are the ignorant ones...Even if we intercept their bomb coming into the west coast, it is still nuclear and will still be very messy..We may not want too believe it, but it is a matter of time before we do fight on our own soil...We might not like it but we are in a HUGE war, bigger than we think...alot of people will die and that is just how it is....
 
Recon15 said:
YES, N.Korea is very ignorant but if we think that we are invinceable then we are the ignorant ones...Even if we intercept their bomb coming into the west coast, it is still nuclear and will still be very messy..We may not want too believe it, but it is a matter of time before we do fight on our own soil...We might not like it but we are in a HUGE war, bigger than we think...alot of people will die and that is just how it is....
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well said
 
Recon15 said:
YES, N.Korea is very ignorant but if we think that we are invinceable then we are the ignorant ones...Even if we intercept their bomb coming into the west coast, it is still nuclear and will still be very messy..We may not want too believe it, but it is a matter of time before we do fight on our own soil...We might not like it but we are in a HUGE war, bigger than we think...alot of people will die and that is just how it is....
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We will have to fight it on our own soil because we are freely allowing the enemy into this country.
 
Yep, that is how it is. I didn't say we wouldn't get a black eye or two, but unless the entire world sides against us and then fights us for the next 100 years, we will always be the winners.

We may fall eventually, but it will take more than some screaming china men or pussed out frenchies and germans to do it.

Bring them here, by the time we are done with them, they will understand what a junkyard dog is why you don't fuck with 'em!
 
chesty said:
I hope that dickhead launches a missile at us!

We'll hear this from the President:

"At 2pm pacific time N. Korea attempted to hit California with a missile.

At 3pm N. Korea ceased to exist.

At 4 pm Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine ceased to exist.

Have a nice day, your president"
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That would make my goddamn day, seriously.
 
Why is it people don't take nuclear weapons seriously anymore? It appears to me that people younger than 30 don't understand what a nuclear war would actually look like. Maybe some of the movies & documentaries of the 70's & 80's should be repeated. Anybody else remember the early 80's, when "The Day After" was aired & Ronnie came on after to address the threat of nuclear war?
 
North Korea isn't going to attack the USA. They know that would mean certain desctruction for them as well. It's the same thing that kept the USA and USSR from going at it. Mutual destruction was assured. N. Korea just wants to play mind games with their threats right now.
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
North Korea isn't going to attack the USA. They know that would mean certain desctruction for them as well. It's the same thing that kept the USA and USSR from going at it. Mutual destruction was assured. N. Korea just wants to play mind games with their threats right now.
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MAD is fine when dealing with (mostly) reasonable people on both sides, but Kim Jung Il is somewhat of a mental defective. Plus his country is an absolute mess, so he may decide to sell that missile(s) to somebody willing to fire it off.
 
Yep, I think he is more of a madman than hussein.

Who is under thirty here? I fully understand the implications being and engineer and scientist as well as over thirty and a Marine.

It is a tool an we use it either as a deterrent or as a front line weapon. It ain't pretty, well... the mushroom cloud and colors are, but the after math isn't, but gotta do what ya gotta due.
 
chesty said:
Yep, I think he is more of a madman than hussein.

Who is under thirty here? I fully understand the implications being and engineer and scientist as well as over thirty and a Marine.
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(hypothetically) So you understand that it wouldn't just be a matter of N. Korea firing a nuke and the US obliterating them in return? You understand that Chinese & Russian nukes would probably start flying (not to mention India & Pakistan likely lobbing nukes at each other). This is not a nice comfy Cold War anymore... things are extremely unstable.

BTW, don't ever trust the Russians.

Sorry about the assumption on your age, but your comments appeared very naive & simplistic. Afterall, you did say "I hope that dickhead launches a missile at us!". Hardly seams like something a scientist/Marine would "hope" for.
 
They were meant to be simplistic and off cuff to ellicit responses, but in reality, I don't thing that Russia or China would do or say much, if N. Korea or for that matter a terrorist attacked us with a nuclear weapon.

Why would they risk global destruction, when we would have every right to annihilate the perpetrator of the attack in that instance.
 
chesty said:
They were meant to be simplistic and off cuff to ellicit responses, but in reality, I don't thing that Russia or China would do or say much, if N. Korea or for that matter a terrorist attacked us with a nuclear weapon.

Why would they risk global destruction, when we would have every right to annihilate the perpetrator of the attack in that instance.
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Well let's see... China shares an approx. 1000 mile border with N. Korea and would likely be flooded with refugees causing instability in their country. Chinese feel an obligation to side with N. Korea and does God only knows what. Russia sides with China (which I believe they would). Fallout crosses into S. Korea turning some European countries against the US (we all know who they'd be). In your little scenario, most Islamic countries are hit (this would really be the reason Russia would become involved).

What I'm suggesting is... your outlined chain of cleancut events is very naive. Once nukes start flying, they'll be flying everywhere. If N. Korea were so stupid as to fire a nuclear bomb at N. America (the piece of crap would probably go off course and hit Vancouver), the response would/should be for the US to use conventional weapons in return. I think the US military could handle N. Korea without risking fullout nuclear war.
 
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I don't think it is naive at all. If say Iraq nuked India, or Pakistan was nuked by India, (hypothetically) Or lets say Englans was nuked.

Don't you think they have the right to respond in kind? I sure as hell know that if I were attacked with a 9mm, I would use my 45. Or as they say in the cop world, you don't have to start at the bottom of the force contiuum.

As for China and Russia, they do not have the means to carry a sustained conflict with us, certainly by retaliating against us for exercising our right to self defense and preservation. Nor would the rest of the world

As for South Korea? What really do they offer that we can't obtain from the Philippines or elsewhere.

China at the moment does not seem interested in supporting N. Korea in its current dilema. In fact they have condemed them for what they are doing.

Hmmm, why use conventional weapons and deplete our reserves, on one 50 megaton on downtown N. Korea would solve the whole think in 1 second. The fallout would not be as bad as you predict, it would still be messy, but the hydrogen bomb is a fairly clean bomb and 99% of its lethal radiation is released at detonation and passes through everything. What is left is dust and such that may or may not settle and cause problems elsewhere. Didn't seem to matter when we were testing these things.
 
chesty said:
Don't you think they have the right to respond in kind? I sure as hell know that if I were attacked with a 9mm, I would use my 45.

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Of course the US would have the right to respond to such actions in any way the gov. decides. But would it be a smart move for the long term stability of the planet? Nope.

I think you're probably blustering a bit, so I won't take your disregard for the political backlash too seriously. Don't underestimate the GD Chinese or Russians.

Does the entire country of N. Korea have 1 downtown? j/k I know you said you don't care about S. Korea, but Seoul (10 mill ppl) is only 60km away from the border with N. Korea. Hey, they did give the world the Hyundai Pony. LOL
 
UpperTone said:


Well let's see... China shares an approx. 1000 mile border with N. Korea and would likely be flooded with refugees causing instability in their country. Chinese feel an obligation to side with N. Korea and does God only knows what. Russia sides with China (which I believe they would). Fallout crosses into S. Korea turning some European countries against the US (we all know who they'd be). In your little scenario, most Islamic countries are hit (this would really be the reason Russia would become involved).

What I'm suggesting is... your outlined chain of cleancut events is very naive. Once nukes start flying, they'll be flying everywhere. If N. Korea were so stupid as to fire a nuclear bomb at N. America (the piece of crap would probably go off course and hit Vancouver), the response would/should be for the US to use conventional weapons in return. I think the US military could handle N. Korea without risking fullout nuclear war.
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Well said, and I agree, we should not respond with nuclear force against N. Korea BECAUSE of China and the border they both share, but also because of S. Korea and our alliance w/them. If N. Korea were in fact stupid enough to launch an unprovoked missile attack at the US, I truthfully don't think that China would let us take care of business as long as we did it conventionally and not with nuclear power...
 
FLASHMAN1 said:



Well said, and I agree, we should not respond with nuclear force against N. Korea BECAUSE of China and the border they both share, but also because of S. Korea and our alliance w/them. If N. Korea were in fact stupid enough to launch an unprovoked missile attack at the US, I truthfully don't think that China would let us take care of business as long as we did it conventionally and not with nuclear power...
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I wouldnt be surprised if we talked to china and got the ok to nuke them. Or maybe a joint carpet bombing of the country.
 
FLASHMAN1 said:



Well said, and I agree, we should not respond with nuclear force against N. Korea BECAUSE of China and the border they both share, but also because of S. Korea and our alliance w/them. If N. Korea were in fact stupid enough to launch an unprovoked missile attack at the US, I truthfully don't think that China would let us take care of business as long as we did it conventionally and not with nuclear power...
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I wouldnt be surprised if we talked to china and got the ok to nuke them. Or maybe a joint carpet bombing of the country.
 
MortyJackson said:


I get the idea that you seriously overestimate your own intelligence.
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That's a typical comment to make to someone who disagrees with you. BTW, why haven't you commented on the sticky regarding your butt buddy Ashcroft's new round of civil liberties revocations?
 
As long as we're playing with various nuclear detonation scenarios,
I was imagining....If I were a madman with one nuclear missle and wanted to create the USA as much pain as possible, what would I do....
Set it off in Manhattan? Washington D.C.?
No, I think I would detinate it high over the California Sierra Nevadas.
That would render hundreds of square miles of snowpack radioactive.
That snowpack represents most of the California water supply...poisoned.
San Francisco, San Jose, Los Angeles, San Diego, plus the entire California farming valley...no water...for years.
Imagine the rest of America having to absorbe the former California residents fleeing to other cities. We'd be overwhelmed.
Fun scenarios for the paranoid to ponder next time you're stoned.
 
Chinaain't shit! And we wouldn't get their permission to do sqaut! We will do what we want and how we want! We wipe n korea off the map, south will not need us and china will have some beach front in athousand years!
 
Frackal said:


That's a typical comment to make to someone who disagrees with you. BTW, why haven't you commented on the sticky regarding your butt buddy Ashcroft's new round of civil liberties revocations?
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What disagreement? Im just mentioning your poor judgement of yourself because of your "simple minded" comment. If you can make such observations then i you shouldnt be bitching when i make them.
 
That's true. Sometimes I find amusement by rambling like an antagonistic prick. I'd antagonize more silly liberals but we dont really have any. .. besides, the bush situation is a bigger threat because liberals dont normally have the types of ambitions that an 'evil' right wing group does...they are usually too busy smoking pot and crying to form a dictatorship.

Heil Ashcroft
 
minion said:


http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/aircraft/air-p3.html

Write that up as occupational hazard. That plane is over thirty years also anything classified I'm certain was destroyed on the way down or before the Chinese arrived.
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If the plane was 30 years old then China should have said, "Ok, get that piece of shit out of here." But no, China wanted to show, that USA couldn't push them around, especially since the plane was in their country and spying on them.

How do you know they destroyed everything? How certain are you? Were you on that plane?
 
Because the standard procedure the instant an emergency arises is to destroy everything. So I am sure they did.

Antaganistic prick? You'll have to do better than that.
 
chesty said:
Because the standard procedure the instant an emergency arises is to destroy everything. So I am sure they did.

Antaganistic prick? You'll have to do better than that.
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once again, you were there right and you saw it happen? the truth is you don't know for sure. was it me or was the USA gov't having shit fits that the Chinese boarded the plane? O wait, didn't USA insist that the Chinese not board the plane? you talk like you are all knowing of these things because you are in the marines. o wait, you're an officer in the marine corp, so now you are the authority of warfare and suddenly america is an undestructable force and let me guess you will lead the charge.
 
I said I was sure they did, I didn't not say that all was done.

Yes, they sure did have a fit, because some of the stuff you can't destroy are things like the radar, instruments and such. Software, computers no problem. It is the hardware that is the problem.

Come on frack, you used to be really mouthy for a young liberal with hormones. What happened?
 
chesty said:
I said I was sure they did, I didn't not say that all was done.

Yes, they sure did have a fit, because some of the stuff you can't destroy are things like the radar, instruments and such. Software, computers no problem. It is the hardware that is the problem.

Come on frack, you used to be really mouthy for a young liberal with hormones. What happened?
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And I'm saying, "I'm not sure they did."


What happened big bad America couldn't scare the Chinese into not boarding the plane? I guess the scare tactics didn't work on them.
 
fistfullofsteel said:



If the plane was 30 years old then China should have said, "Ok, get that piece of shit out of here." But no, China wanted to show, that USA couldn't push them around, especially since the plane was in their country and spying on them.

How do you know they destroyed everything? How certain are you? Were you on that plane?
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No I wasn't on the plane at that time. However I was attached to CPRW-1/CTF-57/CTF-72’s from 96'-00'. Like Chesty said their are contingencies from this type of scenerio. All the USA wanted was our people back.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/navy/patreconwing1.htm
 
fistfullofsteel said:
What happened big bad America couldn't scare the Chinese into not boarding the plane? I guess the scare tactics didn't work on them.
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This post should illistrate to you that America isn't the bully's they're made out to be. We have vulnerablities as every country does.
After the Clinton's gave over nuclear secrets for a neutron bomb that P3 may as well have been a Ford Mustang. As a matter of fact some P3's were sold to Taiwan in an effort to protect their solidarity among other things.
 
minion said:


No I wasn't on the plane at that time. However I was attached to CPRW-1/CTF-57/CTF-72’s from 96'-00'. Like Chesty said their are contingencies from this type of scenerio. All the USA wanted was our people back.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/navy/patreconwing1.htm
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I don't think the Chinese were planning on keeping the spies especially with all that press coverage. They even treated them very good for a bunch of spies. In fact they probably ate better than most of their own people. Like I said, "not sure if they did execute those plans in time and destroy all the information they needed to destroy."

As for the America not being a bully it's because they couldn't be one. China told them basically to fuck off and you won't push us around like we are afraid of you.
 
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chesty said:
I said I was sure they did, I didn't not say that all was done.

Yes, they sure did have a fit, because some of the stuff you can't destroy are things like the radar, instruments and such. Software, computers no problem. It is the hardware that is the problem.

Come on frack, you used to be really mouthy for a young liberal with hormones. What happened?
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Well chesty I grew up in a liberal household, I dont think you could have ever called me an absolute liberal, but now my views definitely do not fit that description.... libertarian is the closest.
 
You know, attitudes like this shit is why America is so hated. "Oh we do what we want, when we want, and noone can touch us!" Yeah, okay. We piss off the wrong people we can kiss America buh bye. Hell all they gotta do is nail a certain spot in the Western States(I will not divulge exactly, any Military personelle knows what i'm talking about) and boom, no more America.
 
Necrophagia said:
You know, attitudes like this shit is why America is so hated. "Oh we do what we want, when we want, and noone can touch us!" Yeah, okay. We piss off the wrong people we can kiss America buh bye. Hell all they gotta do is nail a certain spot in the Western States(I will not divulge exactly, any Military personelle knows what i'm talking about) and boom, no more America.
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No such geographical position exist and if it did. Purto Rico, Keflavik, Guam, Ramstien Gaeta, Chyenne, Antarctica, ect, ect, ect, ect. Anyone of these places can be used as head quarters.

I agree that Americans' need to put the jingoism in check at times. At the same time the critics of the globe need to realize the facts. America is a super power and will continue to be well beyond our life time. There is NO other super power as it stands. America is a concept and anyone from any other country as it stands can become an American. No foreigner has as much right to point their crooked fingers of indignation as they believe they do.
 
"No such geographical position exist"


Obviously you have no clue what i'm talking about. It exsists, it is there, and if it was hit, it would take out the entire USA. I guarantee it. Hell even Military personell who spent time there admit to that.


Let's see, N. Korea supposedly has nukes, all of the middle east hates us except Israel, Russia has the ability, as does Chine. Yep, hillbilly boy Bush pisses off the right people and yes, they can kick our asses. Especially if the Military is as cocky as posters here. "oh we're the US Military! You can't touch us! We ow *BOOM*" oops, guess not.
 
Necrophagia said:
"No such geographical position exist"

Obviously you have no clue what i'm talking about. It exsists, it is there, and if it was hit, it would take out the entire USA. I guarantee it. Hell even Military personell who spent time there admit to that.
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As you have pointed out some military personnel are full of shit, this I concede. Since you and I know this don't be contradictory, tell me what you heard and I'll reply honestly.
 
minion said:
Necrophagia, awaiting your rebuttle patiently.
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since you seem to think that you have a inside knowledge of things that nobody else has maybe he has nothing more to say or maybe he just thinks you are an idiot and doesn't want to waste his time.
 
fistfullofsteel said:


since you seem to think that you have a inside knowledge of things that nobody else has maybe he has nothing more to say or maybe he just thinks you are an idiot and doesn't want to waste his time.
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fof, that's a possiblity but an incorrect one. I never said I had "inside knowledge" on the subject. Basicly I said I have no idea what he's talking about and out of curiosity I'd like for him to elaborate on his claim.

Whether or not he thinks I'm an idiot is another topic altogether and we can get into that too at a lator time. Lets not confuse the issue here.

And for the record I was thinking that the reason he hasn't replied back was because he knows his claim is bogus.
 
chesty said:
Yes, but effective
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Effective at causing nuclear winter around the globe.........not to mention radiation sickness. Cant see a radiation cloud respecting the boards of different coutries.

Shit, a relatively tiny explosion at a power plant in Chernobyl, Russia, managed to work its way across Europe and would have hit the UK if the winds hadn't changed. Gotta wonder what a bigger, badder occurrence could do.
 
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