noob cycle

[axismundi]

Grab a fat burner from needtobuildmuscle and hit the diet section, steriods are not the answer for your goals imo

As far as that, I just came off an oxyelite cycle couple of weeks ago, and am now a week or so from finishing a lipo-6 black cycle... in the past I did clen but the sides were too much for me (mainly the absurd sweating, everyone would be wearing sweaters at work, and I'd be in a short sleeved shirt with 70% of my shirt soaked with sweat)... I saw the needtobuildmuscle site yesterday, but their thermogenics kinda sounded blah, but after you mentioned it I searched the forum for their different products and saw a few people liking forged burner way better than things like oxy and lipo so I've got some OT money on my check at the end of the month and am going to run Forged Burner & Adderlin next, so thanks for suggesting it otherwise I'd have never given them a second look.

 

[gymjunkie09]

Haha I was eating chicken and tuna before the protein, I had to stop for a bit though, you can only eat canned tuna and chicken so many days in a row before you don't want to even hear the word canned/pouched meat. I actually bought some more the other day when I did my groceries as it's been a couple of months but I'm not brave enough to open the cans again haha. Had that as my work snack and meal for like 2 years straight, got burnt out... plus the promax bars have the added benefit of about 1/5 of a good multi-vitamin in them. When I get brave enough to crack open one of those cans again I'll probably alternate every day between bars and meats, and I tried doing nuts late last year but man it's like chewing on wood chips.

there's gonna come a time when you have to decide what's more important.....the taste of your food or your goals. It take time to adjust, but oatmeal, almonds, brown rice, spinach and brocolli are foundations food for bodybuilding.

 

[axismundi]

there's gonna come a time when you have to decide what's more important.....the taste of your food or your goals. It take time to adjust, but oatmeal, almonds, brown rice, spinach and brocolli are foundations food for bodybuilding.

I have hyperactive tastebuds and texture issues, I wasn't joking when I said oatmeal and rice make my vomit... I"m talking I put them in my mouth, move them to chew/swallow, and projectile vomit, yogurt too although yogurt just started doing that to me last year which sucks as I love yogurt. When I was little I used to eat tons of spinach and broccoli but as an adult I just can't stand the taste, I'd rather drink turpentine... although from time to time I will give the veggies I can't do another shot hoping to reclaim them...

I used to be the same with carrots, they'd gag me... but past month or so I've been taking in a lot of carrots steamed and boiled, also used to eat a ton of potatoes, but removed regular potatoes completely and switch to red potatoes and cut back on their intake too. I'll keep broccoli and spinach in mind and try them more often, I read somewhere once in a study you acquire a taste for things after 20-30x eating them so maybe I can retrain myself to tolerate them. That's the real reason I supplement so much stuff like I posted back towards the beginning, because I don't get the nutrients in my diet, I know taking them as pills isn't the best but it's better than not at all I figure even though I once saw a Russian scientist quoted as saying American's have the most expensive urine haha.

 

[gymjunkie09]

I have hyperactive tastebuds and texture issues, I wasn't joking when I said oatmeal and rice make my vomit... I"m talking I put them in my mouth, move them to chew/swallow, and projectile vomit, yogurt too although yogurt just started doing that to me last year which sucks as I love yogurt. When I was little I used to eat tons of spinach and broccoli but as an adult I just can't stand the taste, I'd rather drink turpentine... although from time to time I will give the veggies I can't do another shot hoping to reclaim them...

I used to be the same with carrots, they'd gag me... but past month or so I've been taking in a lot of carrots steamed and boiled, also used to eat a ton of potatoes, but removed regular potatoes completely and switch to red potatoes and cut back on their intake too. I'll keep broccoli and spinach in mind and try them more often, I read somewhere once in a study you acquire a taste for things after 20-30x eating them so maybe I can retrain myself to tolerate them. That's the real reason I supplement so much stuff like I posted back towards the beginning, because I don't get the nutrients in my diet, I know taking them as pills isn't the best but it's better than not at all I figure even though I once saw a Russian scientist quoted as saying American's have the most expensive urine haha.

well what about green beans and asparigus? I don't believe carrots have a lot of nutrional value from a bodybuilders standpoint. As far as carbs go what about sweet potatos? if you can eat those then that would be a solid choice

 

[axismundi]

well what about green beans and asparigus? I don't believe carrots have a lot of nutrional value from a bodybuilders standpoint. As far as carbs go what about sweet potatos? if you can eat those then that would be a solid choice

Pretty much corn, potatoes, and carrots are all I can stand, but like I said I keep working at that, I haven't had green beans in ages I'll have to give them a go again next time I go to the grocery.

 

[gymjunkie09]

Pretty much corn, potatoes, and carrots are all I can stand, but like I said I keep working at that, I haven't had green beans in ages I'll have to give them a go again next time I go to the grocery.

drop the corn, worthless carb imo

 

[axismundi]

drop the corn, worthless carb imo

I don't eat it all that often anyway, maybe twice a month if that, I just fiend for it every once in a while. I'm a hoosier, corn is our thing haha.

 

[zedhed]

Alright I'll take that into consideration but let me ask this...

Oral will actually increase muscle though, yes?
Correct it will.
If so then I don't mind after a few months the large % being gone, as I do mostly kettlebell so if I can move into being able to do higher weight... then I still have room to DOUBLE the weight of my kettlebell yet... so as I get strength gain I can move up to a heavier ball and in theory not lose it...
Ok, here is how it plays out.
Yes you will move up to a heaiver ball pretty dam fast too, while you are on. When you go off, you will maintain this for a short period of time and then your strength will decrease rapidly to a point. So what you will be left with is, yes your ball weight will go up but in the end I dont think you will maintain/be working out with dbl the the ball weigtht.
see I'm not actually going for like super-human, olympia/atlas muscle, I just need help moving on to more weight... mainly I just want to move up to a much heavier kettlebell by the end of the year, ideally get close to double the weight I"m doing now.

I do understand that you simply wanna increase your workout weights (primarily) and secondarily gain a little bit of mucsle mass maybe.

Now I know that you are sick and tired of hearing diet but honestly bro I feel that is where you should be looking.
Heres why.
With any steroid, even orals you are introducing a chemical into your body. When you do this you get side effects. Remember your sweating experience.....

Now for what you are saying you want to achieve you can very easily do the very same and more simply with diet.
Then you have no possibe side effects to mess around with. You dont need to spend the money and take the associated risks of obtaining illegal steroids.

You dont need to spend the time educating yourself on the steroids, protocol and recovery.
Even with orals you also need to consider PCT, yet another added expense that could easily turn into something long term. Also there are the blood tests expenses to deal with. On orals espicially you really need to do these cuz orals are hard on your liver and can really fuck with its function.

You have done well with your diet and weight loss.
But we are all telling you that for what you say you are wanting, really and truely diet is the way to go, its just so much easier in the long run, and much much less expensive. No crappy sides to deal with that could possible turn in something long term....

Not what you wanna hear I know that. But there you have it.
Actually it would not really take that much change in your diet to see some quick but very noticalbe improvements. In fact prolly faster then the time frame that you have laid out.

Good luck on whatever you decide bro. And for you and all of us Keep reading on here and keep posting too!

 

[axismundi]

With any steroid, even orals you are introducing a chemical into your body. When you do this you get side effects. Remember your sweating experience.....

The sides don't scare me, but I'd like to leave sticking needles in my skin to medical professionals that know what the hell they are doing haha.... plus I"d be paranoid a needle wasn't sterile, so I'd have to buy my own autoclave to keep my paranoia down, and I figure if something is bogus, swallowing it gives me that much longer to live if someone put something to kill me in the liquid because their dog died and their wife left them for their brother so they snapped and decided to kill anyone trying to get bigger muscle because the brother was a bodybuilder hahah. My mind is a fracked up world...


Now, after reading the rest of your post... perhaps non steroid supplements? Instead of starting a second thread, lets pretend my diet is fine now (I'll start tearing through other bits of the forum for diet/nutrition here in a few minutes), would there be any non anabolic things I should look at picking up?

 

[gymjunkie09]

The sides don't scare me, but I'd like to leave sticking needles in my skin to medical professionals that know what the hell they are doing haha.... plus I"d be paranoid a needle wasn't sterile, so I'd have to buy my own autoclave to keep my paranoia down, and I figure if something is bogus, swallowing it gives me that much longer to live if someone put something to kill me in the liquid because their dog died and their wife left them for their brother so they snapped and decided to kill anyone trying to get bigger muscle because the brother was a bodybuilder hahah. My mind is a fracked up world...


Now, after reading the rest of your post... perhaps non steroid supplements? Instead of starting a second thread, lets pretend my diet is fine now (I'll start tearing through other bits of the forum for diet/nutrition here in a few minutes), would there be any non anabolic things I should look at picking up?

If you insist on going with something I would grab some katana or hella from mrsupps before they are out of stock. There being banned and taken off the market so grab them while you can. And when you diet is in check run a 4 week katana cycle but I would wait until your bf% is under 15% which will give you time to dial in your diet and training in the meantime