Nolvadex vs Novedex

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Ok, I know Nolvadex is the real deal, and esentially what I want to reduce post cycle estrogen. What I was wondering is, has anyone ever tried this Novedex XT shit from Gaspari Nutrition? I'd assume it wouldn't touch Nolvadex with a 10' pole. I do know the active ingedient in the Gaspari stuff is ATD, which I have just heard good things about. I just got in from the gym, where after my workout I sat down, had a shake and started chatting it up with these two dudes. One swears he doesn't do any P C T, which I found odd. The other just finished a cycle very similar to mine, and says he is very prone to gyno, and swears by this Gaspari shit. Now I don't know these dudes all that well, and was simply wondering again, if anyone here at EF has tried this natural supp, and had any success with it?

 

[bw1]

No, I would stick with the "real" stuff. It's just as easy to get

 

[access]

I have never tried myself but I have a buddy from the gym that used it when he got some gyno and it worked so clearly it does have some ability to do what it claims.

That said I would always use Nolva myself if given the choice.

 

[jumpmaster82]

bro go with the real shit. ive never done novedex myself and dont know anyone who has. but i do know alot of companies and labs will make a BS product and give it almost the same name as a real aas or anti e. for example dekka, winny-v, anodrol, novedex. those are to fool the newbies into thinking theyre getting the real shit. those labs and companies are all scams bro. and their products contain little more than ephedrine and caffeine.

 

[ALIN]

No, I would stick with the "real" stuff. It's just as easy to get

and the real NOLVA is much cheaper and works.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Ok, I know Nolvadex is the real deal, and esentially what I want to reduce post cycle estrogen. What I was wondering is, has anyone ever tried this Novedex XT shit from Gaspari Nutrition? I'd assume it wouldn't touch Nolvadex with a 10' pole. I do know the active ingedient in the Gaspari stuff is ATD, which I have just heard good things about. I just got in from the gym, where after my workout I sat down, had a shake and started chatting it up with these two dudes. One swears he doesn't do any P C T, which I found odd. The other just finished a cycle very similar to mine, and says he is very prone to gynecomastia, and swears by this Gaspari shit. Now I don't know these dudes all that well, and was simply wondering again, if anyone here at EF has tried this natural supp, and had any success with it?

That gaspari stuff isn't natty bro. It's a prohormone. Use the real thing for gyno. For natty estrogen managment, POST CYCLE and Dermacrine work great.

 

[blackpanther]

That gaspari stuff isn't natty bro. It's a prohormone. Use the real thing for gynecomastia. For natty estrogen managment, POST CYCLE and Dermacrine work great.

Nelson what would happen if he combined all 3 for P CT ?? Would it help boost his PCT even more?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson what would happen if he combined all 3 for P CT ?? Would it help boost his PCT - post cycle therapy - even more?

I can't speak for the Gaspari stuff. Prohormones in general have a tendency to backfire. Remember, they're essentially failed drugs that manage to slip under the wire of what the FDA considers a drug (mostly for the fact that they don't work very well) , so you get the bad sides without the bulk of the benefits. Lots of guys have used POST CYCLE and Derma with great results.

 

[xrsist]

imo use an AI instead of nolva for gyno sides

 

[hesnobradpitt]

I'd use only the real deal .

Brad.

 

[josenunes]

nolva is best but look at this novedex study:


Willoughby DS, Wilborn C, Taylor L, Campbell W.
Department of Health, Human Performance, and Recreation, Baylor University, Waco, TX 76798-7313, USA.

This study examined the effects of an aromatase-inhibiting nutritional supplement on serum steroid hormones, body composition, and clinical safety markers. Sixteen eugonadal young men ingested either Novedex XT or a placebo daily for 8 wk, followed by a 3-wk washout period. Body composition was assessed and blood and urine samples obtained at weeks 0, 4, 8, and 11. Data were analyzed by 2-way repeated-measures ANOVA. Novedex XT resulted in average increases of 283%, 625%, 566%, and 438% for total testosterone (P=0.001), free testosterone (P=0.001), dihydrotestosterone (P=0.001), and the testosterone:estrogen ratio (P=0.001), respectively, whereas fat mass decreased 3.5% (P=0.026) during supplementation. No significant differences were observed in blood and urinary clinical safety markers or for any of the other serum hormones (P>0.05). This study indicates that Novedex XT significantly increases serum androgen levels and decreases fat mass.

PMID: 17460335 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
not bad for otc...

 

[-lll---lll-]

Damn...nice find bro! Maybe I'll grab a bottle and try it with the rest of my cycle, I'm getting a bit of puff under both nips already, don't like it. Goes totally away, if I'm in a cold room tho...hahaha. If it intensifies, I'll try my damndest to get a hold of the real deal for P C T. Only thing holding me back there is having no fucking credit card, I can get the real deal, but nobody seems to want to take money orders. Fucking bad credit...

 

[josenunes]

Damn...nice find bro! Maybe I'll grab a bottle and try it with the rest of my cycle, I'm getting a bit of puff under both nips already, don't like it. Goes totally away, if I'm in a cold room tho...hahaha. If it intensifies, I'll try my damndest to get a hold of the real deal for P C T. Only thing holding me back there is having no fucking credit card, I can get the real deal, but nobody seems to want to take money orders. Fucking bad credit...

thank`s bro, some otc stuff is good and people should have a open mind to some supps, another great otc AI is 6-oxo(for me even better than novadex xt), I tried and man it works very very well , ergo have a baylor study also you can see it complete in their website but here`s the introduction:
A study was recently completed at Baylor University that looked at the physiological responses to 8 week cycles of 6-OXO. In this study, there were two groups – one that consumed 300mg 6-OXO a day and one that consumed 600mg a day. Each group took the 6-OXO for 8 weeks during which blood samples were taken at intervals throughout the cycle and at 3 weeks after the completion of the cycle. The blood was later analyzed for hormone levels and for toxicity indicators.

The full results cannot be released until the study is peer reviewed, however we can give you a sneak peak at the most important aspect of the study – the influence of 6-OXO upon free testosterone levels.

As you can see from the graph, the 600mg a day group experienced a very substantial increase in free testosterone that was sustained throughout the 8 week cycle. The levels peaked around the 3 week mark, where they measured roughly twice that of baseline levels.

Of particular interest is the fact that after the 3 week washout period, the levels of testosterone for both the 300mg and 600mg groups were pretty much exactly the same as they were at the start of the cycle. This indicates that there are no negative rebound effects upon testosterone levels after cessation of 6-OXO cycles.

It is also important to note that a complete blood panel showed no significant changes in toxicity parameters throughout the course of the cycles.

 

[access]

Damn...nice find bro! Maybe I'll grab a bottle and try it with the rest of my cycle, I'm getting a bit of puff under both nips already, don't like it. Goes totally away, if I'm in a cold room tho...hahaha. If it intensifies, I'll try my damndest to get a hold of the real deal for P C T. Only thing holding me back there is having no fucking credit card, I can get the real deal, but nobody seems to want to take money orders. Fucking bad credit...

I would try Arimidex here first and you should be able to buy using WU.