NOLVADEX - is there something you can use with it to prevent ...

[VictorBR]

such a DECLINE in strenght .

Last time I used it I was taking 60 mg ED for 30 days and man , did my strenght went down big time

So is there something to take to help maintain strenght levels ???

I am planning on using it to get rid of this gyno before I start my cycle .

Victor

 

[Neo22]

why did you take it at 60mg for 30 days? WTF

 

[silverbackn]

Are you sure this wasn't attributed to something else?

 

[VictorBR]

why did you take it at 60mg for 30 days? WTF

>>> to get rid of gyno duuuuuuuu , why the fuck I would use if not for that ??!?!?!?

shit ...

and I must say it worked GREAT , but then after some time the gyno came BACK ...


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

Are you sure this wasn't attributed to something else?

I think not bro , I heard that nolva lowers your IGF-1 levels dramatically , maybe that is why I lost so much strenght ....but it did came back after I stoped taking it ... but still sucks ...


Victor

 

[silverbackn]

I think not bro , I heard that nolva lowers your IGF-1 levels dramatically , maybe that is why I lost so much strenght ....but it did came back after I stoped taking it ... but still sucks ...


Victor

I have never heard that! That's kind of crazy, that could definitely attribute to some strength loss if there are no anabolics in you to increase IGF.

 

[VictorBR]

I have never heard that! That's kind of crazy, that could definitely attribute to some strength loss if there are no anabolics in you to increase IGF.

>>> yep I was off cycle when I did my nolva treatment


Victor

 

[fenix777]

You need to lower your dosage, and everyone reacts different to the same Med's.

 

[concordsize]

IMO the nolvadex rid you of some water weight that you were holding and caused your lifts to go down jmo.

 

[silverbackn]

IMO the nolvadex rid you of some water weight that you were holding and caused your lifts to go down jmo.

Nolva doesn't do much for bloat though, it doesn't decrease the amount of estrogen in your body. It is receptor specific.

 

[Neo22]

>>> to get rid of gyno duuuuuuuu , why the fuck I would use if not for that ??!?!?!?

shit ...

and I must say it worked GREAT , but then after some time the gyno came BACK ...


Victor

I forgot we are all mind readers you fucking sperm hermit. Quit using the fucking arrows with every post too. Annoying as all shit.

 

[VictorBR]

I forgot we are all mind readers you fucking sperm hermit. Quit using the fucking arrows with every post too. Annoying as all shit.

>>>>>> MORE arrows for you and if you don't have nothing good to say , get the fuck out of this thread , as you can see everybody is trying to help but you , so get OUT . NOW .


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

Nolva doesn't do much for bloat though, it doesn't decrease the amount of estrogen in your body. It is receptor specific.

>> exacty , it is receptor specific . Just work on your tits LOL, nothing else .


Victor

 

[shamrock11]

Nolva is not going to lower your strength. It will lower estrogen levels and you do not need to take 60mg a day for 30 days to get rid of gyno. If it is that bad surgery is your only option. By the way Nolva does not get rid of gyno it may displace it a little but it will not get rid of it.

 

[psychedout]

neo22, grow up already. You are very immature and clearly a newb. Screaming WTF after typing something is the equivalent of yelling in someone's face on a message board.

 

[VictorBR]

neo22, grow up already. You are very immature and clearly a newb. Screaming WTF after typing something is the equivalent of yelling in someone's face on a message board.

>>> thanks . that is why I replied the way I did .


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

Nolva is not going to lower your strength. It will lower estrogen levels and you do not need to take 60mg a day for 30 days to get rid of gyno. If it is that bad surgery is your only option. By the way Nolva does not get rid of gyno it may displace it a little but it will not get rid of it.

>>I will have to disagree bro , it completely KILLED my gyno , my friend did a heavy test + dbol cycle with no anti e , and of course he had a LUMP the size of a melon , 40 days using 40 mg of nolva and now the LUMP is 100 % GONE .


Victor

 

[jacked clown]

Seems like everyone is to stressed out on this thread

 

[Ulter]

Never heard of anyone losing strength from Nolva. How long had you been off for?

 

[LVTitan]

I think not bro , I heard that nolva lowers your IGF-1 levels dramatically , maybe that is why I lost so much strenght ....but it did came back after I stoped taking it ... but still sucks ...


Victor

yes nolvadex will seriously kill your IGF1 levels. it's very possible this is why your strength suffered.

 

[LVTitan]

Nolva is not going to lower your strength. It will lower estrogen levels and you do not need to take 60mg a day for 30 days to get rid of gyno. If it is that bad surgery is your only option. By the way Nolva does not get rid of gyno it may displace it a little but it will not get rid of it.

WRONG WRONG WRONG
nolva at 60mg/day for 30-45 HAS BEEN PROVEN TO GET RID OF GYNO. yes even reverse gyno !! this is true.
and YES, nolva will lower your strength, it kills your IGF1 levels.

 

[saintjohn]

yes nolvadex will seriously kill your IGF1 levels. it's very possible this is why your strength suffered.

how does nolvadex "seriously kill your igf1 levels? in "building the perfect beast", author rea recommends nolva because it doesn't affect your igf1 levels. pretty sure i have that straight.

 

[The Terminator]

I have never lost strength from taking Nolvadex...Atleast not enough that it was noticable

 

[shamrock11]

WRONG WRONG WRONG
nolva at 60mg/day for 30-45 HAS BEEN PROVEN TO GET RID OF GYNO. yes even reverse gyno !! this is true.
and YES, nolva will lower your strength, it kills your IGF1 levels.

Learn somethng new everyday. Thanks guys.

 

[VictorBR]

Ulter bro I have been off nolva for at least 2 years now as my last treatment was like 18-24 months ago ...

Lvtitan - yeah bro that is what I read , that it kills your IGF-1 levels , but even so I will have to go for the nolva treatment again and this time hope that my gyno stays off for good and don't come back


Victor

 

[faaassst]

Since taking IGF-1 does very little if anything to increase strength, why should the reduction in IGF-1 really matter?

 

[karachi183]

I felt dry as hell on nolva and as it did work for me (got rid of puffiness) i have to say i actually didn't feel right on it granted i had just finished a dbol only run, my strength seemed to only go back up a week or two after i stopped the nolva and now to this date my strengh is slowly still moving up. my2cents

 

[Boltthrower28]

60 mg a day for 30 days, wow! I dont think your taking enough nolvedex. Try uping the dose to 120 mg a day for 90 days. Jesus thats alot of nolvedex. sounds as if you just need to go under the knife man, not take ridiculous amounts of nolvedex. Just my opinion.

 

[_Yossarian_]

Ulter bro I have been off nolva for at least 2 years now as my last treatment was like 18-24 months ago ...

Lvtitan - yeah bro that is what I read , that it kills your IGF-1 levels , but even so I will have to go for the nolva treatment again and this time hope that my gyno stays off for good and don't come back


Victor

dude, I think Ulter was asking how long had you been off the juice before you started the nolva treatment, as your strength loss might be related to post-cycle crash/weight loss as opposed to the nolvadex.

 

[VictorBR]

dude, I think Ulter was asking how long had you been off the juice before you started the nolva treatment, as your strength loss might be related to post-cycle crash/weight loss as opposed to the nolvadex.

Ohhhhh I see , my bad , but it is not the case , since my last cycle was december 2001-january2002 - and my nolva treatment was at LEAST 15 months AFTER that .


Victor

 

[anticure]

you waited 15 months for pct...hmmm interresting

 

[VictorBR]

you waited 15 months for pct...hmmm interresting

>>> Please shut up , I did a very weak clomid PCT and that was ALL I needed because my cycle was so WEAK and never SHUT me down actually never even SUPRESSED ME , so could probably even get away even without the clomid .

Victor

 

[asianlover]

How did you get gyno in the first place bro

 

[JAV]

Hey Victor,

You know how you said your friend got rid of his gyno?

Did his also return when he stopped the Nolvadex?

Why does it return once it is killed anyways? Very curious as I myself have puffy nips from puberty that I am gonna try to get rid of with nolva as well.

 

[The Terminator]

because my cycle was so WEAK and never SHUT me down actually never even SUPRESSED ME , so could probably even get away even without the clomid .

Victor

LOL, you are rather WRONG in that assumption...

Even if one were to take measly 50 mg a WEEK of Testosterone by itself it would STILL inhibit your natural Test production alot more than most might think .

Hell, I have seen studies were even 2.5 mg a of Anavar a DAY (alone) suppressed natural Test output GREATLY


Now if you come with a reply of "No, Term I ONLY took 10 mg per WEEK of Testosterone so it DIDNT suppress me ", THEN I would stand corrected
But I am guessing you didnt run anything that low

 

[LVTitan]

i know someone who got their bloodwork done, and had very high igf1levels. this person took nolvadex for a few weeks and got more bloodwork, the igf1levels were ridiculously low. withing a few weeks of stopping nolvadex (right after last blood test) the igf1 levels were back up to normal

 

[ilpadrone]

First of all, you don't get gyno from a low dose you are talking about.
Then even if you strangley did develop it, you might took something not legit,
which was overdosed or something. Not cool. Anyways, some days 40mg nolvadex till gyno get smaller and then continue with nolvadex 20mg ed should do the job. After the gyno goes away keep taking nolvadex until estrogen levels are back to normal values (get you blood checked if you want to be sure).
Sometimes this takes weeks, months. (i do 7 weeks after medium test cycle)
If you stop while your estrogen is still f**in high, your gyno will probably show up again. Don't use too much nolvadex.
Never heard of or had myself less strenght bc of nolvadex. Maybe bc I never used high doses. Strenght loss is always fact after d-bol, anadrol or big loads of test. Can't keep breaking records when you go off...lol
Good luck to all

 

[Mavy]

First of all, you don't get gyno from a low dose you are talking about.

I dont think that he mentioned his doseage here. And people who are prone to it, can get gyno VERY easily, like throwing gas on the fire. Jesus, I know some people (on this board too) who can drink a soy milkshake and get itchy nips.

Your loss of sterngth Victor can be attributed to any number of factors bro. I notice this more than anything when i go into a Calorie deficiet and a more cutting diet. If you are not eating to support heavy workouts, they are not going to happen. Could be anything, but i wouldnt nessicarily go and pin it on the nolva. I have not heard of Nolva decreasing strength either, not to say it isnt possible though. In my opinion, being gyno free and losing a bit of strength is a fair trade-off anyways.

Term is right on the PCT thing Vic. Sure its already said and done and in the past, but PCT is a pretty much always a go, no matter what your cycle is like. Live and learn for the next one bro!

How goes it anyways bro? Rio was an absolute blast, except for getting attempted robbed, hahaha. Most amazing city in the world IMO. Carnival was off the hook. I will send you some of my pics sometime. Brasilian women rule!

Cheers,
Mavy

 

[Fat_Sumo]

IMO it is a combination of lowered estrogen levels, slightly reduced IGF-1 levels and less water retention

 

[ilpadrone]

I dont think that he mentioned his doseage here. And people who are prone to it, can get gyno VERY easily, like throwing gas on the fire. Jesus, I know some people (on this board too) who can drink a soy milkshake and get itchy nips.

K.. true that first sentence wasn't a great one..