Nolva with deca, sust, dbol

[normis]

hi. i am going try my first cycle.
week 1-10 deca /250mg per week
week 1-10 sust /250mg per week
week 1-4 dbol / 30mg per day
PCT week 13-15 Clomid. day 1 300 mg, day 2-11 100 mg, day 12-24 50 mg
should i take nolva during the cycle? if yes then how much ?
thx
p.s. sorry about my english

 

[JBEXT81]

you wont find many people suggesting nolva on this board especially with the deca you are going to use. Check the PCT sticky's around the board. Nolva never helped me recover

 

[Sherk]

What are your stats? Age, weight, hight, bf%, and training history. You won't find much help without those first.

 

[EZ_E]

Wayyyy too much for a 1st cycle and it's a mess anyway with bad PCT.......stats

~EZ

 

[Nelson Montana]

Yep. It's bad.

 

[gwilym]

Read all the other 1st cycle advice first and most will say DON'T DO DECA until 2nd or 3rd cycle..also most will say nolva and DECA do not go together..I'm on a 1st cycle myself of test only and am very happy with the results so far and because I have a good PCT planned I intend to go on my second cycle in feb 2012 DECA recovery takes much longer..

 

[normis]

What are your stats? Age, weight, hight, bf%, and training history. You won't find much help without those first.

i am 23, 6.2, 196lbs, 10%bf, training lil bit more than 2.5 years. i ve been reading that deca, sust, dbol is one of best mass building cycles. what would be the best for pct ? would it be better if i run deca/sust cycle without dbol ?

 

[Cali72]

i am 23, 6.2, 196lbs, 10%bf, training lil bit more than 2.5 years. i ve been reading that deca, sust, dbol is one of best mass building cycles. what would be the best for pct ? would it be better if i run deca/sust cycle without dbol ?

No drop the deca completely.

If you must do the sus/d bol.

 

[ConanX]

I actually had great results with Test E 250mg and Deca 200mg EW for my first cycle, but perhaps you guys are right in leaving it a big less complicated and sticking with just plain jane Test. Dbol might bloat you a bit also. Maybe try some T-bol instead since I saw great strength and mass gains without any negative sides. Dbol might flair up gyno since you don't know how susceptible you are to it. Also, PCT is off, fix that so you can keep your gains and have no bad sides .

 

[normis]

I actually had great results with Test E 250mg and Deca 200mg EW for my first cycle, but perhaps you guys are right in leaving it a big less complicated and sticking with just plain jane Test. Dbol might bloat you a bit also. Maybe try some T-bol instead since I saw great strength and mass gains without any negative sides. Dbol might flair up gyno since you don't know how susceptible you are to it. Also, PCT is off, fix that so you can keep your gains and have no bad sides .

the thing is that i allready bought deca, sust, dbol, nolva and clomid. i will leave deca for my 2nd cycle. what do i need for good pct ? i know that hcg would be good but i have no idea where to get it
would it be better if i run wk1-12 250ml e4d and dbol wk1-4 30mg ed and pct will be wk 13-15 nolva and clomid 20mg ed.

 

[gymjunkie09]

the thing is that i allready bought deca, sust, dbol, nolva and clomid. i will leave deca for my 2nd cycle. what do i need for good pct ? i know that hcg would be good but i have no idea where to get it
would it be better if i run wk1-12 250ml e4d and dbol wk1-4 30mg ed and pct will be wk 13-15 nolva and clomid 20mg ed.

hcg should be ran during your cycle not for pct. Post cycle/unleashed and forma works great for pct, don't worry about the hcg, use hcgenerate instead during your cycle. I'm using it now and can tell you first hand it works great. If you insist on using the clomid then run it at 25mg ed. Clomid sides are terrible, you're gonna feel like shit running those kinda of doses not to mention using nolva on top of it...you can find these products at needtobuildmuscle.com and the forma at mrsupps.com

 

[normis]

hcg should be ran during your cycle not for pct. Post cycle/unleashed and forma works great for pct, don't worry about the hcg, use hcgenerate instead during your cycle. I'm using it now and can tell you first hand it works great. If you insist on using the clomid then run it at 25mg ed. Clomid sides are terrible, you're gonna feel like shit running those kinda of doses not to mention using nolva on top of it...you can find these products at needtobuildmuscle.com and the forma at mrsupps.com

ok so my cycle will look like that: (say if something is wrong)
wk 1-12 sust 250ml e4d
wk 1-4 dbol 30mg ed
wk 6-12 hcgenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm ed
wk 12-18 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and 5 pumps am for the first 4 weeks then taper down to 3 pumps am and pm for the last 2 weeks
wk 12-16 unleashed/postcycle combo. 1 cap 3 times a day of each
if i see some signs of gyno which should i take nolva or clomid and how much ? i just want that my first cycle would be perfect

 

[RADAR]

ok so my cycle will look like that: (say if something is wrong)
wk 1-12 sust 250ml e4d
wk 1-4 dbol 30mg ed
wk 6-12 hcgenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm ed
wk 12-18 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and 5 pumps am for the first 4 weeks then taper down to 3 pumps am and pm for the last 2 weeks
wk 12-16 unleashed/postcycle combo. 1 cap 3 times a day of each
if i see some signs of gyno which should i take nolva or clomid and how much ? i just want that my first cycle would be perfect

The Forma Should handle any sign of gyno ,if you're super sensitive add Arimidex EOD at .25 (1/4) Tab.

Cycle looks pretty good.

 

[EZ_E]

Start the Post Cylce/Unleashed 2 weeks after the last pin...

~EZ

 

[gymjunkie09]

ok so my cycle will look like that: (say if something is wrong)
wk 1-12 sust 250ml e4d
wk 1-4 dbol 30mg ed
wk 6-12 hcgenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm ed
wk 12-18 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and 5 pumps am for the first 4 weeks then taper down to 3 pumps am and pm for the last 2 weeks
wk 12-16 unleashed/postcycle combo. 1 cap 3 times a day of each
if i see some signs of gyno which should i take nolva or clomid and how much ? i just want that my first cycle would be perfect

keep letro on hand for signs gyno, I've never used sust but I'm almost positive the esthers stick around for 3 weeks after last pin so that's when you're gonna wanna start pct, also run the hcgenerate right up until pct....the rest looks pretty good

 

[normis]

ok thx for help

 

[normis]

The Forma Should handle any sign of gyno ,if you're super sensitive add Arimidex EOD at .25 (1/4) Tab.

Cycle looks pretty good.

which week should i add Arimidex? or add only if i notice sign of gyno?

 

[gymjunkie09]

which week should i add Arimidex? or add only if i notice sign of gyno?

I would start from first pin, forma would be your best bet to avoid any sides. You have to be careful with A.I.'s becuase they can dry out your joints and kill your sex drive