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No wonder Michael Moore loves the UAW

LOL rsnoble.. a much cruder version of what Ive said.


Oops posting from home.. broke my own rule. Couldnt resist.. great thread. I love threads like this.
 
rsnoble-im-back said:
No unions, no pensions, cheap chinese cars.

Just a contiunuation of the big race to the bottom. A few more decades this country is going to be a real shit pit for the majority. Theres nothing wrong with trying to have good jobs and benefits. Id rather have that and have a lot of people doing well for themselves instead of every family owning some slant eyed fuking turd box and living underneath a goddamn fuing bridge.

Just like walmart whoring out every industry. Bank tellers used to be paid well, then banks realized they were overpaid and anyone could do it, and walmart will realize that their still overpaid and that imported fuking monkeys from the burning rain forests could do the job.

So.......you sorry ass mothefukers keep promoting your fuking free trade garbage and I will guarantee you a country that will be chock full of hungry starving 10 jobs per person no health insurance sickly sonofabithes and everything will be goinmg to total shit. Basically what your asking for is to lower your country's standards to that of the Chinese.

So saying that--you can eat shit fuk off and die.

End of fuking story.

There is no fighting with ignorant morons. Are you one of them?

Wal Mart got big because everybody shops there. They give the people what they want: cheap goods.

The people, of their own free will, you know, individual rights, freedom to spend their own money, choose to spend it at Wal Mart.

Ignorant morons protest that this is bad. Ignorant morons apparently want to tell people where they can spend their money.

This seems bad; as ignorant morons should not be telling anyone what to do, much less how to spend their money. But ignorant morons identify each otherm and band together, and create igonrant, moronic policy. Ignorant morons tell other ignorant morons that something everyone wants is bad, because ignorant morons seek to spread ignorance. It is the only way they can survive. In the face of information, ignorance dies.

Some people say that ignorant morons hate people, since they don't believe in giving them a choice. I don't think they hate people; they're just ignorant morons.

I don't get mad when dogs bark. They are dogs...they bark. What should I expect? Dogs bark. Pigs grunt. And ignorant morons believe that government intervention in the economy is the way to go.
 
rsnoble-im-back said:
Just a contiunuation of the big race to the bottom.

The supposed "enemies" of the economic state (china, india, mexico, japan), that are supposedly going to drag us to the bottom -- have NO DESIRE to see us start becoming mirror images of their dismal, 3rd world, poverty-stricken state.

For their survival DEPENDS on our economic strength, and highly elevated purchasing power.

For if Americans go into recession, and lose purchasing power --- they lose their sugar daddy.

China and Mexico need us to be rich, and will do everything in their power to keep us affording those walmart products.

They gain nothing by having us living in straw villages and riding donkeys. :)
 
Source: Forbes Magazine

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NEW YORK - The heat is on General Motors.

This week, the industry's leading trade publication, Automotive News delivered a big blow.

"The new cars aren't hits," said one headline. "Detroit appears destined for a smaller place in the auto universe," read another. The story lumped General Motors and Ford Motor together in a shrinking-market-share scenario for Detroit.

I think that General Motors has bigger problems and is in more trouble than Ford Motor, which is still controlled by the Ford family.

GM's February sales were just above 24% of the market, a low in modern times for a strike-free month. Inventories are still sky-high despite production cutbacks and massive incentives. GM has a 102-days supply, compared with 89 at Ford, 77 at DaimlerChrysler, 58 at American Honda and 40 at Toyota. Early estimates of March sales indicate that GM is likely to post another decline.

A few weeks ago, GM's marketing vice president was replaced, an important change for the better, because the marketing was truly bad. A week ago, the head of Saab in Sweden, which is GM owned, quit after it was announced that the next generation 9-3 Saab would be built in Germany, not Sweden.

And then there was the disappointing announcement last month of a $2 billion payoff to Fiat to get out of a deal that cost GM a total of $4.5 billion. I'm not aware of any criticism, punishment or bonus reduction for the executives who led GM into the Fiat mess. This should also embarrass GM's directors.

The stock has been moving lower, too, dropping close to a 52-week low.

Add all this together and it doesn't take a weatherman to tell which way the wind is blowing. The question is whether GM's current management is capable of taking shelter from the storm.

GM's market share has been falling for decades. Forty years ago, GM had half the U.S. market. Back in 1992 at the beginning of reign of Jack Smith/Rick Wagoner (now chairman and chief executive) the company had a 35% to 36% share. GM executives always pushed the idea that it could regain momentum, getting back to 29% to 30% of the market.

The February sales results seemed to shatter that illusion. In fact, GM's share of the business has been artificially propped up for years by heavy incentives--cash back to buyers, 0% interest rates, credit card come-ons, sales to rent-a-car fleets, and special deals for workers, relatives of workers and employees of suppliers. My guess has been that without these gimmicks, GM's actual market share would have been 23% to 24%.

What's wrong?

Wagoner has been complaining about the company's own medical benefit costs, which run $5 billion a year (and always climbing) for its 1.1 million employees, retirees and dependents. The company borrowed heavily, too, to fully fund its $80 billion pension fund.

Wagoner also complains about nations, such as Japan, that juggle their currency to give their car exports an advantage.

I think that Wagoner is right on both counts, but the company hasn't had the courage to tell its union that the benefits aren't affordable now. And in 40 years the U.S. government hasn't cracked down on foreign currency manipulation.

GM's biggest shortcoming is that its cars and trucks have fallen behind the foreign competition in design and technology. The rash of new vehicle announcements from the likes of Toyota, Lexus, Honda, BMW and even Hyundai won't make things any easier for GM.

At the root of all of GM's woes: Its top people really don't understand the automobile business. Wagoner had to go outside and hire Robert Lutz, a retired Chrysler/Ford/BMW executive, and make him vice chairman and product czar in an effort to improve GM's cars and trucks.

In my opinion, the structure of GM just doesn't work. It is difficult to see how anyone who understands cars or the car business can rise to the top. The structure seems designed to keep finance men up and everybody else down. It's impossible to find anyone on the car side, barring Lutz, who can actually get anything done.

There will be growing pressure on GM to take drastic action. Strong leaders have turned around other badly troubled auto companies. Look at what Lee Iococca did for Chrysler in the 1980s, what Ferdinand Piech did for Volkswagen in the 1990s and what Carlos Ghosn did for Nissan in just the last few years.

A couple of winning vehicles can turn a company around quickly. Chrysler was a loser, but its new Chrysler 300C and Dodge Magnum are successful and are pushing up market share. Both GM and Ford have enormous resources, huge dealer organizations and good names. If the product is right, they can succeed.

The heat is on, particularly at GM.
 
d3track said:
mts

you're setting up my portfolio......
read recently in the WSJ that portfolios that were concentrated performed better than portfolios that were diversified out the ass
the trick though is to invest in industries and/or companies in which you personally have a good level of knowledge about
sort of like this
if you live in the southeast
don't bet PAC-10 football
 
NATTY_P said:
he doesnt care.

thats his point.

I just thank Jebus that half does ...

and the other half has to be lied to so people with his Philosophy can be in power.

EAXACTLY!!!!

People like Bush will lie lie lie to promote their sinister agenda!!!!!
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
There is no fighting with ignorant morons. Are you one of them?

Wal Mart got big because everybody shops there. They give the people what they want: cheap goods.

The people, of their own free will, you know, individual rights, freedom to spend their own money, choose to spend it at Wal Mart.

Ignorant morons protest that this is bad. Ignorant morons apparently want to tell people where they can spend their money.

This seems bad; as ignorant morons should not be telling anyone what to do, much less how to spend their money. But ignorant morons identify each otherm and band together, and create igonrant, moronic policy. Ignorant morons tell other ignorant morons that something everyone wants is bad, because ignorant morons seek to spread ignorance. It is the only way they can survive. In the face of information, ignorance dies.

Some people say that ignorant morons hate people, since they don't believe in giving them a choice. I don't think they hate people; they're just ignorant morons.

I don't get mad when dogs bark. They are dogs...they bark. What should I expect? Dogs bark. Pigs grunt. And ignorant morons believe that government intervention in the economy is the way to go.

By your definition--Yes--I am an ignorant moron. And proud of it because I will be a thorn in asswipes sides such as Bush till the end of time. Im not going to roll over and play dead for the rich assholes so they can have there way.

So now that im an ignorant moron, I would like to propose that you might be an ignorant arrogant big biz asshole that's hell bent on the destruction of this country as we know it, and in favor of 3 people who have and control everything. This is where our flowchart of think leads, make no mistake about it. I'd wouldn't be surprised if you were in the Bush cabinet somewhere.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
There is no fighting with ignorant morons. Are you one of them?

Wal Mart got big because everybody shops there. They give the people what they want: cheap goods.

Walmart got big because some rich assholes conglomerated and ate up every hometown business where they exist and did it tax free while mom and pop pay go broke.

The people, of their own free will, you know, individual rights, freedom to spend their own money, choose to spend it at Wal Mart.

They choose to spend it at Walmart because in this economy of low paying shit jobs like Walmart--they can't afford to shop anywhere else. Walmart is an extension of China's hand into our homeland.

Ignorant morons protest that this is bad. Ignorant morons apparently want to tell people where they can spend their money.

Ignorant morons are made to look like ignorant morons by the rich so they can press ahead with their evil ways..........and eventually the non-ignorant morons will wish they were ignorant morons to begin with so they could've stopped the harsh ass fuking before it began.

This seems bad; as ignorant morons should not be telling anyone what to do, much less how to spend their money. But ignorant morons identify each otherm and band together, and create igonrant, moronic policy. Ignorant morons tell other ignorant morons that something everyone wants is bad, because ignorant morons seek to spread ignorance. It is the only way they can survive. In the face of information, ignorance dies.

Ignorant morons band together because they have more backbone than any of the big biz spinless fuking jellyfish will ever have. These jellyfish have banded together tehmselves--it's called a corporation. In essence, Bush is a spokesperson for Walmart.

Some people say that ignorant morons hate people, since they don't believe in giving them a choice. I don't think they hate people; they're just ignorant morons.

We only hate people that present lots of choices that on the exterior look good, but when it comes down to it the choices end up being something like deciding which pill you'll split in half with your spouse while Mr.Drug Cos getting a blowjob in 1 of his 500 mansions.

I don't get mad when dogs bark. They are dogs...they bark. What should I expect? Dogs bark. Pigs grunt. And ignorant morons believe that government intervention in the economy is the way to go.

Government intervention in the economy is the ONLY way to go. Otherwise we'll be a shithole country with zero labor laws jsut like China. And you big biz folk know this--that's why the far right BushCo is hell bent on destroying it.

So in the end, you want this country to be just like China. And after discovering this---I am able to brush off this corporate mind melt and come to the realization that theres only 1 ignorant asshole here-and it's not me.
 
Razorguns said:
The supposed "enemies" of the economic state (china, india, mexico, japan), that are supposedly going to drag us to the bottom -- have NO DESIRE to see us start becoming mirror images of their dismal, 3rd world, poverty-stricken state.

For their survival DEPENDS on our economic strength, and highly elevated purchasing power.

For if Americans go into recession, and lose purchasing power --- they lose their sugar daddy.

China and Mexico need us to be rich, and will do everything in their power to keep us affording those walmart products.

They gain nothing by having us living in straw villages and riding donkeys. :)

Your right. But unfortunetely when your neighbor is out front selling koolaid for 2cents a glass and your asking 25---ur not gonna do real good.
 
and your right MS--there is no use fighting with ignorant assholes. You just have to keep pushing us into a corner hoping we'll go away. But eventually theres just gonna be too many of us with our backs up against the wall-and once again we'll be the nightmarish united force that you GOP freaks are so afaid of---and when this time comes you better have EVERY GODDAMN PENNY YOU HAVE spent on your protection-cause your gonna need it.
 
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