no wonder iraqis hate us

[manny78]

Ok, I'm rambling because I'm thinking/typing fast here at work, but my main point is:
If the US doesn't stand up for human life and protecting freedom, then who is? I see no other countries with the balls to do it. We are the only ones, hence the hatred by these terroristic countries.

I see your point but where were you during the Rwanda genocide. That's my point: 9/11 has little to do with the invasion. It's about oil and influence in the region.

To answer the question about Rwanda: you didn't move (just like many other countries) cause Rwanda his a shitty country. Nothing strategic there.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Ok, I'm rambling because I'm thinking/typing fast here at work, but my main point is:
If the US doesn't stand up for human life and protecting freedom, then who is? I see no other countries with the balls to do it. We are the only ones, hence the hatred by these terroristic countries.

Most of the first world is actively involved in protecting freedom around the world, not just america. We all do it, not just USA.


I wonder what will happen if pakistan is overthrown by a neo-taliban regime? they already have nukes (short range nukes at least).

 

[manny78]

Most of the first world is actively involved in protecting freedom around the world, not just america. We all do it, not just USA.


I wonder what will happen if pakistan is overthrown by a neo-taliban regime? they already have nukes (short range nukes at least).

but they also have F-16 and a crazy bunch of Muslim fanatics so dont even expect a reaction from the US.

 

[alien amp pharm]

I see your point but where were you during the Rwanda genocide. That's my point: 9/11 has little to do with the invasion. It's about oil and influence in the region.

To answer the question about Rwanda: you didn't move (just like many other countries) cause Rwanda his a shitty country. Nothing strategic there.

Point taken. I suppose there is some sort of "double-standard" there as certain incidents are ignored due to such "nothing gained" situations.

Hey maybe we can take over Canada, nah, forget that there's nothing there worth anything either.
-----I'M ONLY JOKING!!! NO FLAMES PLEASE

(for the records, I like Canada. It's just too cold for me)

 

[minion]

as for dancing in the streets -- do a web search on VJ-Day - there are pictures of thousands of Americans dancing in the streets, confetti and flags flying, in celebration of the vaporization of 150,000 Japanese civilians. Just as the English celebrated when Hitler fell. And the East Germans danced when the Wall came down, and rightly so.

This statement is out of context. There is a big difference between the two events of 9/11 and Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Most veterens here in Japan will tell you "we would have stopped at nothing less, it was war after all".

 

[PURE EXTRACT]

I'm not going to flame you, but I think this is incorrect. You are sure he is connected to the attacks - based on what? The only ones saying so are those that are trying to justify invading Iraq and bombing Baghdad. Of course they say he's involved, they have no choice.

as for the US being passive, that is absurd. Passive how? economically? militarily? culturally? have you considered the role of the US's aggresiveness, rather than its passivity, in the hatred much of the world, especially the Arab world, harbors? Is there a lot of global hatred for truly passive countries, like Switzerland or Sweden?

as for dancing in the streets -- do a web search on VJ-Day - there are pictures of thousands of Americans dancing in the streets, confetti and flags flying, in celebration of the vaporization of 150,000 Japanese civilians. Just as the English celebrated when Hitler fell. And the East Germans danced when the Wall came down, and rightly so.

Again, not as a justification, but it's a question of perspective -- to them YOU are the enemy. just because they are dancing at YOUR defeat doesn't make the dancing any better or worse.

First off, you're going to sit there and say that he isn't involved in ANY terrorist activity? You're a fucking tool. You want to bring up the past bro? You're going to say we didn't have to right to do what we did after Pearl Harbor? Fuck you and the rest that agree with you. I guess that's the difference between people like us. If this country was run by people like you there WOULDN'T even be a United States. Also I need to ask you, are you comparing Americans to Hilter and to the Japanese? I mean that's what it seems like to me. You're saying that the Palestenians had every right to be celebrating in the street when they killed thousands of Americans. I'm not the type of man that is going to sit in the middle of the fence. I'm for America and that is that. Anyone that doesn't like us IS against us. Plain and simple. And yes I believe us to be passive. I believe that we've proven that. Clinton had the power to take out Bin Laden, but backed off. Why? Because he was getting out of office. Maybe it wouldn't have made a difference if we killed him or not, who knows. But that's the thing you see, now...we'll never know.

 

[minion]

Good points all around but that is also where some of the hatred stems. US doesn't get involved unless they have something to gain from it (or something to protect).

Yes the US protects the "little guys", but they also ignore the "little guys" too!

Iraq is not a real threat, just a nuisance. They will bomb them just enough to destroy their destructive potential, but just enough not to piss off the rest of the world (Saudis).

That's one way of looking at it, seems kind of skewd to me though. But yes I concede there is some truth to it. In retrospect the USA isn't a charity organization. I don't run the country but I could imagine the imense size of detail to run this country. Always having to think years in advance, coordination of other countries, management of its citizens, enterprising economy, ect, ect, ect, ect.

The Saudi's have control over OPEC. OPEC has control over the world economy. So yes it would be in our best interest to go around them for now.

 

[PURE EXTRACT]

good patriotic arguments, weak logic. The main responsible for the attacks were Saudis not Iraquis. But again your country has no balls when it comes to talk about the Saudis. Iraq a threat ? Wake up dude, China is a bigger threat (but you wanna make business with them duhh), North Korea (you wont since China is protecting them), Iran, Syria (they probably have nuke weapons), Pakistan, ......


Iraq is an easy target. Should take about a week to crush them. One week of gull CNN coverage with few casualties. Unless it turns into another Somalia blood fest.

No my life hasn't changed since 9/11.

The day the US will attack either Saudi Arabia or China I will respect them.

Weak Logic? How is this weak logic amigo? You don't have respect for the US? Yeah it's not like we hold this world together or anything. China? Give me a break. Yeah, might be the largest active army. But how effective are 10 people on mountain bikes? Simply not a challenge. People really seem to forget, we ARE the most advanced and the MOST powerful military force on this planet. We will always come out on top. No offense to any other countries out there; this is just my great patriotic non logic talk.

 

[PURE EXTRACT]

PE - I understand what you are saying bro, I agree after their defeat in the war they will most likely take the first opportunity to harm us. I am just very cautious about what I hear from the media though. In Iraq, instead of dancing around in the streets as the media portrays who is to say they are not debating issues the same way we are. Are we really THAT much more civilized than they are as a country?

I guess we'll never know. It's all very frustrating. I'm sure there are some there that don't hate us, but we have to take into consideration that they're not just making us look bad in the news, they're teaching this to their students in schools. As a country, I believe we are more civilized. Well, maybe it's just safe to say that there are more civilized ppl here than over there.

 

[PURE EXTRACT]

Hmmm...do you really think that WE don't have nukes? We probably have enough to blow up the planet 10 times. You obviously don't know shit about the military, I had to go through classes and learn about this shit when I was active. They don't feed us lies about any other Army. In Korea, we know that we're simply a road block there. But sorry bro, China on the ground would not compare. Just facts. Let's just remember this, after National Guard and Reserve Units have been activated, we are the largest Army. That's just the Army. I don't even want to bring up our other branches. China would get the PEOPLE'S ELBOW. You do have a good point though, they would launch first because they're probably the smartest people around and they'd know the ass whooping that would be coming to them.
I really respect the Chinese people though; most of them have great honor.

And Osama, well, let's just remember back when you were in high school and you used to run from the school bully. Well it's pretty much the same thing. You got away but eventually, he'd catch you and beat the shit out of you. (You forget that we could have taken Osama out, but Clinton backed down)