no wonder iraqis hate us

[alien amp pharm]

You all make some very good points. I like civillized discussions like this.

I use to think the Chat Board people were ruthless a-holes in general, but I've changed my attitude about that.

As for the uranium missles/bombs, I do structural design for a living and got to visit a local plant that makes the uranium rods for these missles. I was there to inspect the building, but the head guy had some interesting stuff to say. The rod is actually what penetrates the tanks. He said that during the gulf war some rods actually went completely thru the entire tank! wow!

 

[PURE EXTRACT]

Do you really think your lives will change after the US invade Iraq ?........

has YOUR life changed after 9/11? If you weren't there then most of you wouldn't really be affected by it. Sure most of you might have been glued to your TV's for about a week but I seriously doubt it changed your life forever.

And to that guy that was basically saying that Bush is just making up the idea that Iraq is a threat. Sorry to inform you buddy, but they ALWAYS have been. Especially after desert storm. The truth is that Sadam will be looking to get even with the US at any cost. You just want us to ignore him especially now?? I'm sure he's connected to the terrorist attacks and we're supposed to just let that slide.

A lot of you are saying, "No wonder THEY hate US." Do you see us parading around in the streets with the American flag after we bomb THEM? No, you don't. Because I believe we're better than that. We're more understanding. We don't teach our children IN OUR SCHOOLS to hate other people, just because.

I really hate the way that America always has to be the passive one. I know a lot of you would disagree. It just seemed that way espcially during the Clinton era. We HAD the opportunity to prevent everything that happened on 9/11; we had serveral. But don't blame our current President. There were warning about this years ago. I just can't believe no one bothered to bring this up.

 

[alien amp pharm]

Pure Extract:
Very well said and 100% agreed. Karma 4 U

 

[PURE EXTRACT]

thanks brother. I thought I'd get flamed like hell for that. I'm glad that you agreed.

 

[Prometheus]

I'm sure he's connected to the terrorist attacks and we're supposed to just let that slide.

I really hate the way that America always has to be the passive one.

I'm not going to flame you, but I think this is incorrect. You are sure he is connected to the attacks - based on what? The only ones saying so are those that are trying to justify invading Iraq and bombing Baghdad. Of course they say he's involved, they have no choice.

as for the US being passive, that is absurd. Passive how? economically? militarily? culturally? have you considered the role of the US's aggresiveness, rather than its passivity, in the hatred much of the world, especially the Arab world, harbors? Is there a lot of global hatred for truly passive countries, like Switzerland or Sweden?

as for dancing in the streets -- do a web search on VJ-Day - there are pictures of thousands of Americans dancing in the streets, confetti and flags flying, in celebration of the vaporization of 150,000 Japanese civilians. Just as the English celebrated when Hitler fell. And the East Germans danced when the Wall came down, and rightly so.

Again, not as a justification, but it's a question of perspective -- to them YOU are the enemy. just because they are dancing at YOUR defeat doesn't make the dancing any better or worse.

 

[manny78]

has YOUR life changed after 9/11? If you weren't there then most of you wouldn't really be affected by it. Sure most of you might have been glued to your TV's for about a week but I seriously doubt it changed your life forever.

And to that guy that was basically saying that Bush is just making up the idea that Iraq is a threat. Sorry to inform you buddy, but they ALWAYS have been. Especially after desert storm. The truth is that Sadam will be looking to get even with the US at any cost. You just want us to ignore him especially now?? I'm sure he's connected to the terrorist attacks and we're supposed to just let that slide.

A lot of you are saying, "No wonder THEY hate US." Do you see us parading around in the streets with the American flag after we bomb THEM? No, you don't. Because I believe we're better than that. We're more understanding. We don't teach our children IN OUR SCHOOLS to hate other people, just because.

I really hate the way that America always has to be the passive one. I know a lot of you would disagree. It just seemed that way espcially during the Clinton era. We HAD the opportunity to prevent everything that happened on 9/11; we had serveral. But don't blame our current President. There were warning about this years ago. I just can't believe no one bothered to bring this up.

good patriotic arguments, weak logic. The main responsible for the attacks were Saudis not Iraquis. But again your country has no balls when it comes to talk about the Saudis. Iraq a threat ? Wake up dude, China is a bigger threat (but you wanna make business with them duhh), North Korea (you wont since China is protecting them), Iran, Syria (they probably have nuke weapons), Pakistan, ......


Iraq is an easy target. Should take about a week to crush them. One week of gull CNN coverage with few casualties. Unless it turns into another Somalia blood fest.

No my life hasn't changed since 9/11.

The day the US will attack either Saudi Arabia or China I will respect them.

 

[Fonz]

You all make some very good points. I like civillized discussions like this.

I use to think the Chat Board people were ruthless a-holes in general, but I've changed my attitude about that.

As for the uranium missles/bombs, I do structural design for a living and got to visit a local plant that makes the uranium rods for these missles. I was there to inspect the building, but the head guy had some interesting stuff to say. The rod is actually what penetrates the tanks. He said that during the gulf war some rods actually went completely thru the entire tank! wow!

Its called a Sabot round. Its also normally fin stabilized.
The reason why depleted Uranium is used is that it is EXTYREMELY
dense. That thing will go through a whole foot of reinforced armour.
An M1A2 Abrams tank can take out another tank at 5000m
with these rounds.
They also have incendiary sabot...LOL

Fonz

 

[Ffactor]

PE - I understand what you are saying bro, I agree after their defeat in the war they will most likely take the first opportunity to harm us. I am just very cautious about what I hear from the media though. In Iraq, instead of dancing around in the streets as the media portrays who is to say they are not debating issues the same way we are. Are we really THAT much more civilized than they are as a country?

 

[alien amp pharm]

I see what you all are saying and respect your opinions. Now here's mine:

Iraq (Sadam) may not be directly related to the 9/11 attacks, but he is a supporter or terrorism, which is what 9/11 was.

As for the very passive contries like Switzerland and Sweeden, there would be no such contries if certain 'evil powers' took over the world. -and by evil I mean killing innocent people for no reason. We defend freedom and the "little guys" that connot protect themselves, and for this reason the US is hated by much of the world. I don't see the US going in and attacking places like South America, Australlia, etc. just for the hell of it trying to kill everyone.

Manny78: You're right, China is more of a threat, but what does the US do? It would end up the whole world nuked if two countries of such magnitude got into a full pledged war.
I wish we would do something about Saudi Arabia, but as mentioned earlier we won't due to oil.

Ok, I'm rambling because I'm thinking/typing fast here at work, but my main point is:
If the US doesn't stand up for human life and protecting freedom, then who is? I see no other countries with the balls to do it. We are the only ones, hence the hatred by these terroristic countries.

 

[Ffactor]

You all make some very good points. I like civillized discussions like this.

I use to think the Chat Board people were ruthless a-holes in general, but I've changed my attitude about that.

I agree until somebody jumps in with camel this and towel that and then everybody jumps into it and things become stupid.