No test cycle?

[Ifonly]

Right gona be doing a 8-10 week cycle soon?
Just want some views on what I propose.

NPP 150mg EOD
Winny 50mg day

Or

Tren 150mg EOD
Tbol 60mg

Dostinex throughout. No need for a.i but have letro on hand.
I'm swaying more towards the NPP/winny cycle, as its cheaper.

Pct

Last 3 weeks blast some hcg
500iu every other day till pct.

Forma 5 pumps am/pm
Hmg first 7 days
Test infusion

Now debating on adding osta and igf lr3 to pct, however I Beleive I suffer from receptor crossover when using these. So I'd have to add dostinex and a serm to pct. This may be a problem as clomid is a no no for me and torimefine and tamoxifene shouldn't be used wiv a 19nor. Any other suggestions?
Or I could just leave them for another time.

Many thanks

 

[stevesmi]

never tried stacking NPP and winny but i wouldn't trust atleast doing bloods during that to make sure your estro is under control. and possibly using an AI

 

[Ifonly]

never tried stacking NPP and winny but i wouldn't trust atleast doing bloods during that to make sure your estro is under control. and possibly using an AI

Cool. Ill have some on hand if need be.
Thanks.

 

[ALIN]

I would always use testosterone as my base and I'm speaking from experience.
You will feel,,look and gain much better with the additional test.

 

[JayDiesel]

normally id say use test as a base but as you see more advanced users cycles you'll see a lot of them leaving test out. I've stacked npp and Winny but I had test prop with it. I'm planning on running a cycle with no test this year. you may feel like shit so id keep it to an 8 week cycle.

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[Ifonly]

I would always use testosterone as my base and I'm speaking from experience.
You will feel,,look and gain much better with the additional test.

Thanks for the input. I was thinking about leaving the test out this run.
Just to see how I react.

 

[Ifonly]

normally id say use test as a base but as you see more advanced users cycles you'll see a lot of them leaving test out. I've stacked npp and Winny but I had test prop with it. I'm planning on running a cycle with no test this year. you may feel like shit so id keep it to an 8 week cycle.

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Thanks for input. So wat was your NPP winny cycle like? Good gains strength, etc? Did you use it as a cut or bulk?

 

[Ifonly]

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but does Winnie have estrogen reducing property's? Or am I misinformed.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ it has both estrogen and prolactin reducing properties and i can confirm that with bloods i have run.

but you should run bloods yourself to make sure its working for you too.

 

[stevesmi]

I would always use testosterone as my base and I'm speaking from experience.
You will feel,,look and gain much better with the additional test.

a lot of guys like me like to run simple cycles that are well under 1G of even 500mg of juice a week.

I actually feel far superior with a low amount of juice and letting my workouts and diet take me where i want to go. i have less lipid strain that way.

now i have no doubt that adding test to any cycle with result in 'better gains' as you say as its more juice and theoretically it would be more gains obviously. but then you would be running over a gram of juice in many cases. to those that like to cycle low doses that just doesn't work for us so its easier to leave the test out.

again I worked out for 15 some years WITHOUT using steroids so to me adding a small amount of juice and sticking with 1 or 2 compounds max is ample for me. those that have abused steroids or are on HRT will probably not be able to be satisfied without 1-2G of steroids a week.

 

[Ifonly]

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but does Winnie have estrogen reducing property's? Or am I misinformed.

 

[Ifonly]

^^^ it has both estrogen and prolactin reducing properties and i can confirm that with bloods i have run.

but you should run bloods yourself to make sure its working for you too.

Cool. Thanks for the confirmation.

 

[Ifonly]

a lot of guys like me like to run simple cycles that are well under 1G of even 500mg of juice a week.

I actually feel far superior with a low amount of juice and letting my workouts and diet take me where i want to go. i have less lipid strain that way.

now i have no doubt that adding test to any cycle with result in 'better gains' as you say as its more juice and theoretically it would be more gains obviously. but then you would be running over a gram of juice in many cases. to those that like to cycle low doses that just doesn't work for us so its easier to leave the test out.

again I worked out for 15 some years WITHOUT using steroids so to me adding a small amount of juice and sticking with 1 or 2 compounds max is ample for me. those that have abused steroids or are on HRT will probably not be able to be satisfied without 1-2G of steroids a week.

Well I think I'm gona leave test out.
Cheaper and also the raging libido on test drives me fuckin crazy.

Ill just see how it goes. We all react differently. Hopefully I react well.

 

[JayDiesel]

I was cutting had great strength gains and still gained about 12 pounds of lean mass it was my favorite cycle so far

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[Ifonly]

I was cutting had great strength gains and still gained about 12 pounds of lean mass it was my favorite cycle so far

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Quality. That's good to know thanks bud.

 

[JayDiesel]

Winny and npp compliment each other very well. planning a Winny / tren cycle this year. I definitely think you'll love this cycle

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[Ifonly]

Winny and npp compliment each other very well. planning a Winny / tren cycle this year. I definitely think you'll love this cycle

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Good good. I'm only hearing good things bout this. So looking forward to rocking this cycle soon.

 

[musclei]

I jumped on the low-test wagon a while ago (against the advice of many) and no regrets so far.. I wonder how common is to do no-test cycles, what are the benefits and how do you guys feel while on one. Any depression? Erectile dysfunction?

 

[NegroPops]

maybe run proviron throughout the cycle. That would take out the question of needing an AI at all, and it will also help against prolactin and sexual sides that may want to occur without test being there.

 

[Ifonly]

Well from what iv been reading, I.e steves threads. When taking dos throughout this should deal with that.
Its the rise in prolactin which affects the libido and sexual function. As for mood I'm sure dos helps with that some how.