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No more than 500mg of Test?

Is it necessary to go above 500mg of test?


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sub-500???

me? yes...absolutely! i've used as much as 750 ew a few years ago, along with 300+ of deca...i ended up at around 240 pounds and i was pretty strong...and pretty puffy...i like my mild, year-round dose, and i like the fact that i get bloodwork done 2 or 3 times a year to make sure everything is where it should be...heck, i'll 46 in a couple of months, no need to push it :)
 
i hear ya bro 46 here as well i really wasnt sure what u meant by sub-500 in general lol...wish my doc would allow me gh...sly stallone mentions anyone over 40 should look into it.but hey great for u!!
 
IMO test dose should always be kept at the bare minimum needed to get wood. Use other AAS to promote the main effects. People never seem to acknowledge that test is actually a harsh drug in large doses.
 
if you aren't getting results with 500 test then you need to re-evaluate your diet and workout routine. so many guys drink protein shakes all day and think they are gonna grow. you grow with real food, not protein shakes. you better be wiling to invest a G on food per month.

i wish someone would shed some light on some rock hard evidence that a gram of test is gonna grow you over a guy who takes 500 and has a spot on diet and workout routine.
 
Not sure that can be done.

Everyone varies so much. I really don't agree that 500 will grow one guy as much as a gram will provided both guys are identical and train, eat and rest exactly the same. I can't say how much difference there will be though.

This is known stuff. Increased dose=increased potency. The question is whether you need an increased dose and if you can handle the additional sides.

I handle 500 just fine. Feel great, steady strength and weight gains. Do I think I could gain better off 750mg to a gram. Probably because I think I could handle it well with just a minor use of an ai. Do I need to use that much right now? No.

Needto routinely mentions how 750 is his sweet spot. That probably means that the positives up to that point outweigh the negatives. Maybe he gains more off a gram, but 750 is more comfortable?

You don't know if you don't try.

Everyone handles aas differently. One guy might grow like an effin weed off 500. Another guy might need as much as a gram to get similar results.

I might grow like a fuckin beast off a gram of test. You might just get sides up the ass.

It's one big experiment.

23.09.2009




Higher testosterone doses: more effect on muscle mass and few side effects

Young men who do power training build up more muscle the more testosterone enanthate [structural formula shown below] they inject. The higher the dose, the more effect on muscle mass and power that a course of testosterone has. American researchers reported this eight years ago in the American Journal of Physiology - Endocrinology and Metabolism. The side-effects of higher doses of testosterone are not too bad. At least, as long as you're not too concerned about HDL.

Testosterone enanthate

The researchers used the GnRH-agonist Decapeptyl to deactivate testosterone production in sixty healthy men aged between 18 and 35 ‘with prior weight-lifting experience. Then they gave the men a twenty-week course of testosterone enanthate injections. The men got a weekly dose of 25, 50, 125, 300 or 600 mg testosterone. A 25 mg dose is just enough to keep men’s sexual functioning intact. The highest dose of testosterone that men can inject weekly without incurring acute medical problems is 600 mg, at least according to published studies. Not everyone in the steroids world agrees with this figure.

The men kept a diary of their sexual activities, but there was no sign of any effects. It made no difference whether the men injected 25 or 600 mg. The graph below shows the relative changes.




The higher the testosterone dose, the more fat-free mass the men developed. And the number of kilograms they could shift with the leg-press increased, the more testosterone they injected. You wonder what would have happened if the men had had a 1200 mg shot of testosterone enanthate.



The fat free mass consists only partly of muscle mass. But the muscle mass also increased with higher testosterone doses.



Researchers are most concerned about the relationship between anabolic hormones and cancer. When it comes to androgen hormones, researchers are particularly worried about the effects on the prostate. A marker of prostate condition is the ‘prostate cancer protein’ PSA. The more of this there is in the blood, the worse the state of the prostate is. But the men who injected more testosterone did not have a higher PSA level.



The higher doses of testosterone made the blood a little thicker, but nothing for the men to be concerned about. [The effect is more serious in older men - Ed.]

More of a problem is the effect of higher doses of testosterone on the ‘good’ HDL cholesterol.



The researchers conclude that testosterone isn’t a hundred percent safe. That’s why they argue for the development of SARMs in their conclusion. "Selective androgen receptor modulators that preferentially augment muscle mass and strength, but only minimally affect prostate and cardiovascular risk factors, are desirable."

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Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2001 Dec;281(6):E1172-81.
 
could anybody tell me if the test i have is fake it has no silver marking on the 10ml vail but it had one on the lid and the box it was made by prolongatum
 
I do 200mg / wk on TRT so 500mg doesn't have a great affect on me. I usually go with around 700mg. My TRT dose + 500mg's.
 
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