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No Libido! Why?

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Currently taking 300ius of HCG 2x a week. Along with 200mgs of Test Cyp a week. And I don't have a libido. Why?

I'm sure most of you will say that maybe my estrogen is high. But I don't see any signs of high E. I'm not bloated at all! I don't have any gyno whatsoever!

Whats going on?
 
You have to low of estrogen, you need estrogen to build muscle and have a sex drive.
 
But both HCG and test aromatizes. You don;t have to have gyno symptoms to have too high of an estrogen level. Then again, libido encompasses many things.
 
How do you "add" estrogen to your body? Like if your on 150mg a week of test cyp and using winny? The winny would act as an anti-estrogen. I want to induce a little estro in me, how?
 
Are you running an AI? If so it can cause this problem because of a LACK of estrogen.
 
I work in the markets. and with all the s*it going on right now with Greece and the stress I am under my libido is dead. but I am still having nice gains in the gym.

like Nelson says libido encompasses many things. I bet if a hot chick got put in front of you naked your libido would bounce back fast.
 
stevesmi said:
like Nelson says libido encompasses many things. I bet if a hot chick got put in front of you naked your libido would bounce back fast.
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Exactly. I don't get why people get so crazy when their libido isn't sky high on cycle. If your libido was all the way down and a hot chick wanted you to bang her, it would bounce back in a second, regardless of what the cycle is doing to it.

Also, libido has way more to do than just estrogen. That may not even be the cause. If you are taking HCG and Test on cycle, I am sure you have more than enough, they both raise estrogen. HCG can also shut you down some more, so if you have been on it for awhile, and still have awhile to go, take a two week break. Your libido should bounce back by the end of the first week.
 
or start taking proviron and free up the bound up test thats stuck on the sex hormone receptors. Honestly I'm not sure what u mean by low libido though. You dont want to have sex? or your not waking up with hard ons every morning?
 
dmessina7 said:
or start taking proviron and free up the bound up test thats stuck on the sex hormone receptors. Honestly I'm not sure what u mean by low libido though. You dont want to have sex? or your not waking up with hard ons every morning?
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If that's the case, try UNLEASHED.
 
I'll bet that you aren't supplementing with DHEA, are you?

YOU ALWAYS must use DHEA while ON CYCLE! DHEA is a very important adrenal hormone that plays a large role in libido. It's a hormone that has inherent activity of it's own, and when you are ON CYCLE, the body's natural DHEA level plummets. Man guys experience what you are, and it's due to low DHEA. Even men on HRT must take DHEA.

Start taking 50mg in the morning an 50mg at night, you'll be horny as hell in 2 days. :)
 
Was taking proviron at 50mgs ED and it did nothing. Then bumped it up to 100mgs ED for another month. Again nothing! Yes Ross, I am taking DHEA but only 25mgs per day. And no! I do not wake up with morning hard ons anymore :-(
 
Carth said:
Was taking proviron at 50mgs ED and it did nothing. Then bumped it up to 100mgs ED for another month. Again nothing! Yes Ross, I am taking DHEA but only 25mgs per day. And no! I do not wake up with morning hard ons anymore :-(
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Are you using pharmaceutical grade gear and ancillaries?
 
If you have been using the HCG for a prolonged period of time it very well could be the cause bro. And if that is the case it will take a little while for you to feel it come back. Totally just a guess. I have no idea how long you have been on it for.
 
Carth said:
I have legit human grade HCG and Test Cyp from Walgreens.
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How long have you been running the HCG for? If you have been running it like you said you were for about 5+ weeks, that could be the problem. Take a two week break if you have longer to go in your cycle, as I said earlier. Your libido should bounce back within the second week.
 
LiftHeavy078 said:
How long have you been running the HCG for? If you have been running it like you said you were for about 5+ weeks, that could be the problem. Take a two week break if you have longer to go in your cycle, as I said earlier. Your libido should bounce back within the second week.
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yup, I'd like to hear how long on the HCG. I would switch to a minumum every two weeks for two days maybe or even less.
 
I agree, might be pyschological....Dostinex always helped me...AI?
 
lartinos said:
Increasing your test levels
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What if I don't want to increase test levels? I'm on HRT at 150mg cyp a week and decided to run some winny and a side effect of winny is it's anti-e properties, and I feel that it is just enough to make my estro too low. Is that my only option, an estrodial patch to introduce a small amount of estrogen? I'm not just going to up the test into cycle doses.
 
Para_Shoot said:
What if I don't want to increase test levels? I'm on HRT at 150mg cyp a week and decided to run some winny and a side effect of winny is it's anti-e properties, and I feel that it is just enough to make my estro too low. Is that my only option, an estrodial patch to introduce a small amount of estrogen? I'm not just going to up the test into cycle doses.
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Winstrol doesn't stop the conversion of test to estro so I wouldn't think it would do that or have heard of that before but maybe it is. If you doubled up your test it could increase aromatozation which would increase your estrogen levels. Are you taking an AI? Like arimidex..
 
lartinos said:
Winstrol doesn't stop the conversion of test to estro so I wouldn't think it would do that or have heard of that before but maybe it is. If you doubled up your test it could increase aromatozation which would increase your estrogen levels. Are you taking an AI? Like arimidex..
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Not taking any AI. Everything was fine while just on 150mg of test a week for like 2 yrs now. Just started winny 50mg ed about 2 weeks ago and It's giving me same symptoms as the guy who started this thread so I thought it would be due to reduced estro caused by the winny acting as an anti-e. I never heard of anyone on this board actually intrducing estro into their system becasue of too low of estro but I am not going to increase test, unless thats my only option while on winny.
 
You shouldn't be constantly horny unless something is arousing you anyway... Try hitting up a stripclub and see if you don't get raging wood after a dance or 2...
 
Para_Shoot said:
Not taking any AI. Everything was fine while just on 150mg of test a week for like 2 yrs now. Just started winny 50mg ed about 2 weeks ago and It's giving me same symptoms as the guy who started this thread so I thought it would be due to reduced estro caused by the winny acting as an anti-e. I never heard of anyone on this board actually intrducing estro into their system becasue of too low of estro but I am not going to increase test, unless thats my only option while on winny.
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Are you taking Dhea or no? As Ross mentioned it could be something to look into/try. Or drop the winny and see how you feel.
 
I did take the advice of Ross and bought the DHEA 2 days ago. 50mg twice a day. I'm going to see how that goes. I know that if I drop the winny things should go right back to normal but I want to get a solid 6 weeks in on the winny.
 
No Ross, I have no problems in my life at all brother. Got my blood work back and Test was at 1700. Prolactin was at 6 and IGF-1 was at 300. And my TSH, T4 T3 came back normal. Everything and i mean EVERYTHING came back normal. Even my endo was shocked. He himself doesn't understand what is going on. However! There are 2 things he did NOT check. And that was progesterone and estrogen. I asked him why he didn't check for progesterone and he just replied..."I don't think it's an issue or even necessary to test". Ummmm.....ok. LOL

I asked him why he didn't check for estrogen. He replies....."Ummm....well....you don't look like you have high estrogen. You're not bloated, you don't have any signs of gyno and your metabolism would be slow if your estrogen was high and according to bloodwork, your metabolism is perfect".

BTW....my HRT doc is Swale. Aka Dr. Crisler from allthingsmale.com

It's him who has me take HCG at 250ius TWICE a week. For a total of 500ius per week. He told me that the HCG is not only to keep your testicles from shrinking. But also so it can help produce other hormones such as DHEA, Pregnelone, aids in your metabolism and also helps to create Progesterone. Says men need progesterone as well. Without it, we would get REALLY HIGH levels of anxiety and be irritable (roid rage) and not sleep deeply. Says that progesterone is the bodies own xanax. He goes on to say that all of his patients feel and look (increase sense of well-being and better sleep)better on Test AND HCG together. That those that ONLY take Test claim they do not feel right, can't sleep very well and have NO libido at all!

I haven't stopped taking HCG in the manner he says for well over a year now. It does keep my balls HUGE (wife loves it! LOL )and my load higher than usual. I haven't stopped taking it not only because I don't want to lose testicle size. But I'm afraid of lowering my progesterone down to nothing. Afraid if I do that (drop the hcg hence killing progesterone production)I will get no sleep and be irritable all day long. I was once a VERY irritable person (when I was on gear) and it was almost impossible to fall asleep or stay sleeping. My sleep now has improved but it's NOT perfect. The time for me to fall asleep as decreased. And now I can stay asleep. However! I do wake up around 3 times in the middle of the night for no reason at all. Feeling as if I don't need sleep anymore (when in fact I'm tired and got bags and dark circles). And falling back asleep takes me a while.

I used to use gear in the same amounts as everyone here does. High amounts of this with that with anti-e's, GH, insulin etc etc. Yeah! I looked fucking awesome while on the drugs. Always got compliments. But what good did it do for me? All it did was get me huge and ripped but sucked all the money out of my bank account. Give me roid rage, lousy ass sleep that made me MORE irritable the next day etc etc etc. I now use HRT dose Test and that's it! Although I do NOT fucking awesome like I used too. I FEEL FUCKING GREAT!

Call me stupid, but I rather feel awesome and look so-so then look awesome and feel like total shit. After being in this game for over 13 years (I'm 34 btw), I matured and learned.

And not sure if I mentioned this. But I do not wake up with morning hard-ons. And haven't in quite sometime. I really don't remember when was the last time that happened. :-( Sad......

I ordered Unleashed to see if it would help. But, if proviron didn't work. Then how can Unleash do anything for me??? Only time will tell. I get Unleashed sometime this week.
 
Carth said:
No Ross, I have no problems in my life at all brother. Got my blood work back and Test was at 1700. Prolactin was at 6 and IGF-1 was at 300. And my TSH, T4 T3 came back normal. Everything and i mean EVERYTHING came back normal. Even my endo was shocked. He himself doesn't understand what is going on. However! There are 2 things he did NOT check. And that was progesterone and estrogen. I asked him why he didn't check for progesterone and he just replied..."I don't think it's an issue or even necessary to test". Ummmm.....ok. LOL

I asked him why he didn't check for estrogen. He replies....."Ummm....well....you don't look like you have high estrogen. You're not bloated, you don't have any signs of gyno and your metabolism would be slow if your estrogen was high and according to bloodwork, your metabolism is perfect".

BTW....my HRT doc is Swale. Aka Dr. Crisler from allthingsmale.com

It's him who has me take HCG at 250ius TWICE a week. For a total of 500ius per week. He told me that the HCG is not only to keep your testicles from shrinking. But also so it can help produce other hormones such as DHEA, Pregnelone, aids in your metabolism and also helps to create Progesterone. Says men need progesterone as well. Without it, we would get REALLY HIGH levels of anxiety and be irritable (roid rage) and not sleep deeply. Says that progesterone is the bodies own xanax. He goes on to say that all of his patients feel and look (increase sense of well-being and better sleep)better on Test AND HCG together. That those that ONLY take Test claim they do not feel right, can't sleep very well and have NO libido at all!

I haven't stopped taking HCG in the manner he says for well over a year now. It does keep my balls HUGE (wife loves it! LOL )and my load higher than usual. I haven't stopped taking it not only because I don't want to lose testicle size. But I'm afraid of lowering my progesterone down to nothing. Afraid if I do that (drop the hcg hence killing progesterone production)I will get no sleep and be irritable all day long. I was once a VERY irritable person (when I was on gear) and it was almost impossible to fall asleep or stay sleeping. My sleep now has improved but it's NOT perfect. The time for me to fall asleep as decreased. And now I can stay asleep. However! I do wake up around 3 times in the middle of the night for no reason at all. Feeling as if I don't need sleep anymore (when in fact I'm tired and got bags and dark circles). And falling back asleep takes me a while.

I used to use gear in the same amounts as everyone here does. High amounts of this with that with anti-e's, GH, insulin etc etc. Yeah! I looked fucking awesome while on the drugs. Always got compliments. But what good did it do for me? All it did was get me huge and ripped but sucked all the money out of my bank account. Give me roid rage, lousy ass sleep that made me MORE irritable the next day etc etc etc. I now use HRT dose Test and that's it! Although I do NOT fucking awesome like I used too. I FEEL FUCKING GREAT!

Call me stupid, but I rather feel awesome and look so-so then look awesome and feel like total shit. After being in this game for over 13 years (I'm 34 btw), I matured and learned.

And not sure if I mentioned this. But I do not wake up with morning hard-ons. And haven't in quite sometime. I really don't remember when was the last time that happened. :-( Sad......

I ordered Unleashed to see if it would help. But, if proviron didn't work. Then how can Unleash do anything for me??? Only time will tell. I get Unleashed sometime this week.
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Okay, a few things. You say you feel awesome, but libido is a part of well being and if that's gone and it isn;t psychological, then you aren't feeling your best and there's a reason for it.

What are your HRT doses? Including anti e's. If you're over 35 and on HRT chances are you need SOME adex or at least a natty anti e.

I DO NOT think it's a matter of DHEA. Besides DHEA being poorly bioavailable, plenty of people have fine libidos without it.

I DO think you're using too much HCG and that can add up after a while. It raises e, desensitizes ledig cells and will stop working with continual use. I understand the dose is low but in some ways that's worse because you're not getting the full benefit. it's kinda like doing a sip of vodka every hour non stop for a year. You'll never get drunk but it'll wind up damaging your liver.

I'm also not sure why you just don't go to a regular doc for blood tests and to write scripts for the HRT and get whatever else you need via the net.

I do think the UNLEASHED will help but there still may be some things at play. Or, it might just be a "low" phase that everyone goes through now and then.

Get that estro checked. If it's between 10-20 at least you can elliminate it as an issue. But right now, it looks like it IS the issue. You don't have to have bloating and gyno to have high e. Good luck.
 
I like HCG only at the end of a cycle and I hit it hard for a few days while the final ester clears. Otherwise I do not want to use it.
No need for it.
 
HCGenerate 10 caps ed, 2 caps every 2-3 hours or so. This will bring your libido back I guarantee it. By day 3 or 4 you should notice a big difference.

If this does not work then i dont know what will, especially considering your bloodwork looks good.
 
Got blood work done to check my E levels. They are fine. Here they are.....

Test Description
Estradiol004519

Range: 7.6-42.6

Mine is at 35.6






Test Description
Estrone, Serum004564

Range: 12-72

Mine is at 54
 
Carth said:
Got blood work done to check my E levels. They are fine. Here they are.....

Test Description
Estradiol004519

Range: 7.6-42.6

Mine is at 35.6






Test Description
Estrone, Serum004564

Range: 12-72

Mine is at 54
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Actually, that's a bit high. 54 is the low end for a woman. The ideal range for a man is between 10-20.
 
Carth said:
But it's still in range. And you really think thats why I have NO libido?
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250 ngs of test is within range. You want that?

I can't say for sure. Libido isn't entirely hormonal. But some people do better when levels are in that sweet spot. For me, I think 54 would affect libido.

It could also have something to with what you did months ago. Hard to say. You're not the first guy to deal with one of those online male clinics who's had problems.
 
I dpon't understand why we are debating this? Overuse of HCG leads to desensitation of the leydig cells. Maybe this is your problem. Maybe not, but without stopping the HCG you will never know.
 
lartinos said:
I dpon't understand why we are debating this? Overuse of HCG leads to desensitation of the leydig cells. Maybe this is your problem. Maybe not, but without stopping the HCG you will never know.
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So many of those clinics over prescribe several compounds. You'd think they were selling them.
 
lartinos said:
I dpon't understand why we are debating this? Overuse of HCG leads to desensitation of the leydig cells. Maybe this is your problem. Maybe not, but without stopping the HCG you will never know.
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250ius twice a week is over use? This Doc doesn't think so. And I don't buy the HCG from him anyways.

He says that at such a low dose, it wont cause desensitization. Especially if my own HPTA is completely shut down. I had tests done prior to being put on HCG. And my testicle function, LH and FSH came back at "0". That's nothing! Zero! :-(
 
Carth said:
250ius twice a week is over use? This Doc doesn't think so. And I don't buy the HCG from him anyways.

He says that at such a low dose, it wont cause desensitization. Especially if my own HPTA is completely shut down. I had tests done prior to being put on HCG. And my testicle function, LH and FSH came back at "0". That's nothing! Zero! :-(
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that sucks... did he put you on clomid ?? never mind i know he didn't it's a prescription drug for women thus he can't ..

However if you were to run 50mg x 30 days in increased my sperm count to 65 million up from 100k.. and i ran 500iu of hcg at the same time..

and yes she did get pregnant from it..
 
SpyWizard said:
that sucks... did he put you on clomid ?? never mind i know he didn't it's a prescription drug for women thus he can't ..

However if you were to run 50mg x 30 days in increased my sperm count to 65 million up from 100k.. and i ran 500iu of hcg at the same time..

and yes she did get pregnant from it..
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Actually Clomid can be prescribed to men, however, it doesn't necessarily increase sperm count, but sperm mobility. It was the HCG that increased your sperm count.

And that has nothing to do with libido or testosterone production. ( The things you want recovered PC). And Clomid can decrease libido and even cause gyno.

This is my way of saying CLOMID BLOWS for men!!!

And I agree with thatbloke. Find a better doctor. You are being overprescribed.
 
I will do just that. BTW....got my unleashed as of yesterday. Let's see if this stuff works. Crossing fingers.
 
Didn't like unleashed at all. Found out I didn't need it at all. I'm fine now. I corrected the issue and libido is back in full effect! :-)
 
Not enough sleep and good quality sleep. Taking too many supplements and unnecessary extra vitamins. Lowering my Test dosage a bit. And adding in an anti-aroma. And dropping dairy. Dairy is bad! Bad hormones in that shit. Does come from a pregnant female cow you know!
 
Plese post a link about the bad hormones in milk I drink 6-8 cups a day lmao
 
Google it C.K. I don't have links. Taking in Dairy increases my estrogen and progesterone. Fuck Dairy. Why drink ANYTHING from a pregnant female?
 
Wowwwwwww I wanna fkn puke after reading up on it!
 
Told ya! I even wrote to a milk company a few times. Always adding in nice shit to say. And they would always reply. But once I mentioned how their milk increased my progesterone. They NEVER replied back. Odd aint it? (sarcarsm):rolleyes:
 
Carth said:
Not enough sleep and good quality sleep. Taking too many supplements and unnecessary extra vitamins. Lowering my Test dosage a bit. And adding in an anti-aroma. And dropping dairy. Dairy is bad! Bad hormones in that shit. Does come from a pregnant female cow you know!
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fuckin balls. now milk is bad. i just read about the hormones. everyday i find out another food or substance that i put in my body everyday is dangerous. kinda scary
 
There was a comment here earlier from Ross I think to take DHEA, 50mg in the morning, 50mg at nite for this issue of no libido. That was a bad idea, way too much DHEA. Caused a lot of water retention, moodieness, edgyness and argumentitvness, just like it indicated on the bottle. It did help somewhat with libido, but not worth the side effects. I wouldn't go higher than 25mg a day of this stuff.
 
Para_Shoot said:
There was a comment here earlier from Ross I think to take DHEA, 50mg in the morning, 50mg at nite for this issue of no libido. That was a bad idea, way too much DHEA. Caused a lot of water retention, moodieness, edgyness and argumentitvness, just like it indicated on the bottle. It did help somewhat with libido, but not worth the side effects. I wouldn't go higher than 25mg a day of this stuff.
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Did you take an anti-aroma with it like Aromasin? This stuff will convert to Estrone at a high rate! And later on to Estradiol.
 
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