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whalen72

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Hi Guys,
I'm a 37 yr old newbie in alot of trouble...Hope someone out there has some good suggestions.Brief history is as follows:Use of various anabolics from age 24 to 30.Hypogonadism as a result.
-Hormone replacement therapy as of age 30,100mg of Test Cypionate weekly.
-Everything was fine and a high drive up until I started using M1T back in spring 2007.Honestly I took it for about 6 months straight.Things have NEVER gone back to normal,even with the weekly RT.I have seen a urologist and am currently running extensive tests with an expert in endocrinology.My test and free test is in the normal range.However my DHEA,LH and FSH are virtually at zero.My prolactin is near the upper limit.I am frustrated and my wife is fed up.I have occasional night erections which disappear upon waking.No daytime erections and no drive whatsoever.I go for months with no sex or self-sex.Levitra etc is useless as there is no drive behind it.I am desperate to go back to normal.I was thinking of ordering this product by Dr.Ray Sahelian called PassionRX.Has any one tried it?
Any ideas? THANX!
 
100mg of testosterone cypionate a week is plenty for boners.. it's 10mg a day delivery wise..

I don't know what you mean by M1T, so I'm not sure I can help you further..
 
M1T is methyltestosterone.It's an oral 10mg capsule.It provides quick gains in strength and size but with quick loss soon after stopping.I would not recommend it to anyone....
 
Oh okay, Methyl-Testosterone..

I don't see why you can't get your cock working man.. Mine works much better on teststoerone..
Is your wife attractive? If she isn't that could be part of it..

Or maybe it's a mental thing.. like the relationship problems/arguments have made your sexual life lose its fun..

Another real thing to consider is that prolactin level.. Try using some L-Dopa, this may cure you right up.
 
hcg maybe something to disguss? i dont know.
 
I was thinking of bringing up HCG in mid-Nov when I see my endo next but I've read that once your Leydig cells shut down it's virtually impossible to restart them naturally.I'm also gonna discuss Dostinex with him.
ArmaniAK47...no prob with the wife dude....trust me it's not a mental thing.I was the horniest bastard up until 2 1/2 yrs ago and then the decline started.
What do u guys think of natural supplements?Any suggestions?Keep in mind I'm on RT...I'm in good shape 5'9" 180 lbs @ 9%bf .....no libido
 
libedo?? desire to have sex..

ed is the ability to obtain an erection..

what do you have an issue with??
 
whalen72 said:
I was thinking of bringing up HCG in mid-Nov when I see my endo next but I've read that once your Leydig cells shut down it's virtually impossible to restart them naturally.I'm also gonna discuss Dostinex with him.
ArmaniAK47...no prob with the wife dude....trust me it's not a mental thing.I was the horniest bastard up until 2 1/2 yrs ago and then the decline started.
What do u guys think of natural supplements?Any suggestions?Keep in mind I'm on RT...I'm in good shape 5'9" 180 lbs @ 9%bf .....no libido
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Did you read the bit I said about prolactin?
 
SpyWizard...my issue is libido.As I mentioned I do get erections in the night(therefore the mechanism functions well).I lack any kind of drive. Oh btw JoeD,I was reading that a low dose of HCG (500 IU 2x/wk) along with my RT can keep the Leydig cells functioning which then results in normal serum levels(from the RT) as well as normal Intertesticular Testosterone Levels(from the HCG)....I guess both might be necessary for a healthy libido....Any ideas?
 
ArmaniAK47....yes I'm gonna bring up prolactin with the endo and see if I can get a script for Dostinex cuz I read it really enhances libido/Thanx man!
 
No problem.. We all want your dick in working order asap. lol

Good idea about the Dostinex. But L-Dopa may help also..

Also: as far as hcg goes.. the testosterone it makes your balls produce is the same as testosterone in a gel, patch, pill or shot. So if the injectable test isn't doing it hcg wont either..

If you're using it to keep your balls working..great.. but if it's for libido I doubt it will make any changes except for having a little more testosterone..
 
ArmaniAK47....when u got some time do a search on ITT(Intra-Testicular Testosterone).From what I read ,it seems that injections,gels etc flood your bloodstream with Test thus keeping serum levels high but if your LH is at zero(as is mine) the result is no ITT(which they say you require a minimal amount in order for functional libido).Let me know what you come across..
Sounds like Dostinex and/or L-Dopa along with HCG and I might go back normal....Pray for me dudes!...I'm dying over here...LOL
 
Interesting Whalen, thanks for the lead.. something new for me to study on.

I like the fact that my balls are shut down for the moment...makes for good birth control.
 
I'll keep you all up to date on what the endo prescribes in mid-Nov.In the meantime just more research I guess....Feel free to keep me up to date on anything I might have missed...Thanx!
 
I was thinking of ordering this product by Dr.Ray Sahelian called PassionRX.Has any one tried it?

Yep, I've tried it... don't waste your money.
 
whalen72 said:
Hi Guys,
I'm a 37 yr old newbie in alot of trouble...Hope someone out there has some good suggestions.Brief history is as follows:Use of various anabolics from age 24 to 30.Hypogonadism as a result.
-Hormone replacement therapy as of age 30,100mg of Test Cypionate weekly.
-Everything was fine and a high drive up until I started using M1T back in spring 2007.Honestly I took it for about 6 months straight.Things have NEVER gone back to normal,even with the weekly RT.I have seen a urologist and am currently running extensive tests with an expert in endocrinology.My test and free test is in the normal range.However my DHEA,LH and FSH are virtually at zero.My prolactin is near the upper limit.I am frustrated and my wife is fed up.I have occasional night erections which disappear upon waking.No daytime erections and no drive whatsoever.I go for months with no sex or self-sex.Levitra etc is useless as there is no drive behind it.I am desperate to go back to normal.I was thinking of ordering this product by Dr.Ray Sahelian called PassionRX.Has any one tried it?
Any ideas? THANX!
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What are your blood work results and ranges? A lot of us hate the word "normal" when it is referenced against our total and free t numbers by a lab.
 
Get some proviron dude that will cure it. Dumb question but have you tried viagra, cialis or propecia?
 
Yeah but damn Spy you cant keep taking PT-141 everyday.
 
Thanx for the tips guys.Spywizard I'm gonna read about PT-141.Goin on 4T...dude I use Levitra once in a while but it's like there's no feeling or drive behind it.I just do it to keep the wife happy.
Flatscat...good point on the bloodwork...here it is ...please don't mind the Canadian reference values.Tests done late August.

Free Test: 24.8 pmol/L Range is 31.2-162.9.
Total Test:10.7 nmol/L Range is 10.0-38.5
Prolactin: 14.6 ug/L Range is 2.6-13.1
Estradiol: 59 pmol/L Range is 95-230
LH: 0.2 IU/L Range is 2.5-16.3
FSH: 0.3 IU/L Range is 1.2-18.5
DHEA: 4.3 nmol/L Range is 3.4-37

Guys please keep in mind I'm on 100 mg of Cypionate weekly and these are my readings!!! I think you all understand now why I have zero libido.What's my best hope cuz boosting the weekly injections didn't help .I've gone up to 200mg/wk and felt nothing....
 
Wow!....sounds like PT-141 might be the cure I was looking for....Gotta do a little more r&d but I think I'm gonna try it while waiting to see the endo in 2 wks.Thanx SpyWizard!!!
 
pt-141 is great but it isn't like viagra or cialis. Its just different. You will like it for a while but in reality you should be looking for something that isn't the replacement.
 
whalen72 said:
Thanx for the tips guys.Spywizard I'm gonna read about PT-141.Goin on 4T...dude I use Levitra once in a while but it's like there's no feeling or drive behind it.I just do it to keep the wife happy.
Flatscat...good point on the bloodwork...here it is ...please don't mind the Canadian reference values.Tests done late August.

Free Test: 24.8 pmol/L Range is 31.2-162.9.
Total Test:10.7 nmol/L Range is 10.0-38.5
Prolactin: 14.6 ug/L Range is 2.6-13.1
Estradiol: 59 pmol/L Range is 95-230
LH: 0.2 IU/L Range is 2.5-16.3
FSH: 0.3 IU/L Range is 1.2-18.5
DHEA: 4.3 nmol/L Range is 3.4-37

Guys please keep in mind I'm on 100 mg of Cypionate weekly and these are my readings!!! I think you all understand now why I have zero libido.What's my best hope cuz boosting the weekly injections didn't help .I've gone up to 200mg/wk and felt nothing....
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Holly shit dude. That is while on? Why didn't he check your estogen? Your problem is conversion get some freaken proviron and bump up the test to 150mg/week for 6 months. The proviron will keep the test from converting to estro. Here is the wiki info on it:

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1 alpha-methyl-17 beta-hydroxy-5 alpha-androstan-3-one
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Mesterolone is an orally applicable androgen, and DHT derivative. It is sold under the brand name Proviron, by Schering. In the late 70's and early 80's it was used with some success in controlled studies of men suffering from various forms of depression.
In one randomized, double-blind 4-week trial, 38 dysthymic men were administered 75mg daily. Itil & Colleagues reported an improvement of symptoms which included anxiety, lack of drive and desire. Next, they administered a high dose (450mg/day) or placebo in a 6-week randomized trial of 52 men with a mean age of 40 years, suffering from dysthymia, unipolar and bipolar depression. Both the mesterolone and placebo groups improved significantly and there were no statistically significant differences between the two groups. In this series of studies mesterolone lead to a significant decrease in LH and testosterone levels. This is probably as a result of the extremely high dose used. In another, 100mg mesterolone cipionate was administered twice monthly. With regards to plasma T levels, there was no difference between the treated vs untreated group, and baseline LH levels were minimally affected.[1]

Mesterolone is a relatively weak androgen and rarely used for replacement therapies.[2]
 
Going - he is below normal on E2. Something else taking it. Guess you don't have an albumin or shbg number huh?

This guy said you were in the normal range??????
 
Geezus man you HPTA is absolutely shut down. Interesting case. And yet, another case handled by "doctors" who don't have the most minimum fucking idea of what is doing. You need to test estrogen and SHBG too. I am no expert by have enough knowledge to understand my complex endocrine system.

Forget about PT-141, forget about passion rx, cialis, viagra, etc. Those will be temporary fixes for a night or something. There is a way deeper issue here that you need to take care of, and that is done in a different way. It would be good to have Nelson's opinion here, he has experience with HRT.

Like I said, again, I am no expert on this, but my common sense tells me that it would be a good idea to run an agressive PCT? consisting in HMG maybe with HCG, an anti-estrogen, prolactin-blocker. Just my opinion. Hopefully guys with more knowledge chime in.
 
Time to get back to basics and simplicity:

- Cut your test in half ... 50 mg. Are you sure you have the real deal and not some fake?
- Get all other sups out of your intake... other drugs, whey, anything. You don't even need adex or other gyno preventor.
- Double check your diet for a simple balanced 4 meals with a simple multi-vit.
- Plan a simple, light workout routine with a bit more recovery.
- No getting high or heavy drinking.

Set your mate down and tell her that you are doing all this. Profess your love and reassure her as an attractive person. Ask her to just ride this out with you. There is something in your system that must slowly die out.

Find a new sexual release for you and her to do that satisfies her with orgasm but does not put any pressure on you to perform. Find something new to fill your mind with.

Relax and do this for 90 days. Don't even think about it anymore. You'll suddenly recover.
 
I have to say this .....were you fuckn crazy dude????
6 months on M1T????lol

Im suprised you still have a dick...M1T is sooo bad I dont know how else to put it.
What I would do is first start lowering your prolactin and estrogen for 4-6 weeks. THen just take your 100mg of test a week and see how it works but dont take anything else.
My opinion is that your body is stuck with the wrong ratio of estrogen and prolactin and most likely progesterone as well. LH will not fix your issues either you already taking test. Prolactin if it;s high will create a lot of problems for you...so just spend the cash and buy some aromasin and dostinex. Dont bother with doctors they will not be able to help you
Dostinex .5mg x2/week
aromasin 25mg /week
4-6 weeks then stop and just take 100mg of test weekly and let you body build up the estrogen and prolactin back up and stay away from M1T, deca or tren
Dude I hate to be in your wife's shoes...wish you the best
you will be back to normal just have to shock your body a bit and suffer few more weeks
Let us know how it went
 
Bros, thanks to all of you for your help and good advice.I;m jumping on Dostinex this week and keeping the TRT at 100mg/wk.Wish me luck...
 
Oh by the way dudes...just saw the doc this week(hence the script for Dostinex) and he told me there is nothing he can do for me and he suggested a sex therapist...WTF!!!Anyways first I'm gonna run the Dostinex and next Proviron and hope for a miracle to get back to the way I was a couple of years back....Horny as HELL 24/7...lol
 
Keep dostinex at no more than 0.5mg twice a week, and give it about three weeks. See how you feel.
 
your test is barely considered normal. In reference to the typical reference range in the U.S. most people with levels that close to being low get put on hrt because they could benefit from it. Dude your only 0.7 into the normal range. Yes the prolactin sticks out more but your hrt dose isn't giving you a whole lot of test. With a range from 10.0-38 I would like to be at least somewhere in the middle, at least for me. How long did you do 200mg a week? Agreed I wouldn't waste my time with a therapist, I don't have your answer but wouldn't it seem that if your level was more normal like around 20 (twice what you have) wouldn't it prevail in lieu of your abnormal labs. If the other suggestions don't work I don't see how trying to have a closer to prime test level would hurt
 
manboy said:
your test is barely considered normal. In reference to the typical reference range in the U.S. most people with levels that close to being low get put on hrt because they could benefit from it. Dude your only 0.7 into the normal range. Yes the prolactin sticks out more but your hrt dose isn't giving you a whole lot of test. With a range from 10.0-38 I would like to be at least somewhere in the middle, at least for me. How long did you do 200mg a week? Agreed I wouldn't waste my time with a therapist, I don't have your answer but wouldn't it seem that if your level was more normal like around 20 (twice what you have) wouldn't it prevail in lieu of your abnormal labs. If the other suggestions don't work I don't see how trying to have a closer to prime test level would hurt
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He said that 100mg of test was plenty enough untill he used M1T....So adding more test if your prolacting is high is like pissing in the ocean, it wouldnt make a difference.
I mean I get your point but HRT is tricky at times. Test levels by themselves are not the only guide to your sex drive, you have to consider estrogen and progesterone as well.
 
Alright Bros...time for an update.Well I've felt a little increase in overall drive after 5 weeks on Dostinex @ 0.5mg twice a week... probably due to the elevation in Dopamine,but nothing like I was hoping for.Anyways next week I'm gonna run more bloodwork including DHT.I've learnt that this is one of the key hormones in maintaining a high libido.If my conversion to DHT has been comprimised by past usage of Finasteride then maybe I have to take a different approach such as Masteron or Proviron for life....For those that are interested...besides testing DHT we have to test a metabolite of DHT called 3-androstenadiol Glucorinide.This indicates if the 5ARII enxyme is functioning properly and converting Test to DHT.This is because DHT values fluctuate and may not provide an accurate picture of what is really going on.So I'll let u guys know my results in the coming weeks...
 
whalen72 said:
Alright Bros...time for an update.Well I've felt a little increase in overall drive after 5 weeks on Dostinex @ 0.5mg twice a week... probably due to the elevation in Dopamine,but nothing like I was hoping for.Anyways next week I'm gonna run more bloodwork including DHT.I've learnt that this is one of the key hormones in maintaining a high libido.If my conversion to DHT has been comprimised by past usage of Finasteride then maybe I have to take a different approach such as Masteron or Proviron for life....For those that are interested...besides testing DHT we have to test a metabolite of DHT called 3-androstenadiol Glucorinide.This indicates if the 5ARII enxyme is functioning properly and converting Test to DHT.This is because DHT values fluctuate and may not provide an accurate picture of what is really going on.So I'll let u guys know my results in the coming weeks...
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Interesting..pls do update this log bro!
 
whalen72 said:
Hi Guys,
I'm a 37 yr old newbie in alot of trouble...Hope someone out there has some good suggestions.Brief history is as follows:Use of various anabolics from age 24 to 30.Hypogonadism as a result.
-Hormone replacement therapy as of age 30,100mg of Test Cypionate weekly.
-Everything was fine and a high drive up until I started using M1T back in spring 2007.Honestly I took it for about 6 months straight.Things have NEVER gone back to normal,even with the weekly RT.I have seen a urologist and am currently running extensive tests with an expert in endocrinology.My test and free test is in the normal range.However my DHEA,LH and FSH are virtually at zero.My prolactin is near the upper limit.I am frustrated and my wife is fed up.I have occasional night erections which disappear upon waking.No daytime erections and no drive whatsoever.I go for months with no sex or self-sex.Levitra etc is useless as there is no drive behind it.I am desperate to go back to normal.I was thinking of ordering this product by Dr.Ray Sahelian called PassionRX.Has any one tried it?
Any ideas? THANX!
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Ok, you mean finasteride for hair loss?
If this is the case then that's a whole different story because it is already proven that finasteride is a dick killer....you basically choosing to have hair or be able to have sex but from my feedback of ppl who used it said that will affect your libido sooner or later!
 
Varga...I used it @ 1.25mg per day(Proscar divided in 4 pieces) from November 2007 until March 2008.Then I never touched it again.Well maybe it's no surprise that all my problems manifested themselves from summer 2008 all the way till now....This is all speculation and I need the blood work to really know what''s going on...Gimme about 5 to 6 weeks to get all the results.The DHT result alone is 30 days....
 
whalen72 said:
Varga...I used it @ 1.25mg per day(Proscar divided in 4 pieces) from November 2007 until March 2008.Then I never touched it again.Well maybe it's no surprise that all my problems manifested themselves from summer 2008 all the way till now....This is all speculation and I need the blood work to really know what''s going on...Gimme about 5 to 6 weeks to get all the results.The DHT result alone is 30 days....
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yeap testing is better than guessing for sure!I hear nothing but negative stuff on the proscar when it comes to sex drive!
I wonder if going on a high dose of test about 500mg/week for 4-6weeks will help to shock your body a little....maybe even taking some dbol
 
Finasteride killed your libido pure and simple.
It did worse to mine.
Maybe doing a big run of t as suggested might help.
I take it you've seen propeciahelp.com?
Maybe phone a lawyer too...
 
Yes I discovered propeciahelp.com and that's where I learned about the possible damage to the 5arII enzyme which is needed to produce DHT.Funny thing is I have tried larger doses of Test Cypionate (as high as 300-400 mgs per week for several weeks)but nothing brings back the feeling I had a couple of years ago.Now I don't want to get too graphic on this post...but besides lack of libido there is decreased and watery ejaculate(the once or twice a month anything happens).Maybe you can relate to this Finasterided?
Well I did my bloodwork this morning and am waiting on the results....If it's prolactin issues then the answer is Dostinex.If it's excess SHBG and Estradiol then the answer is Proviron and Arimidex.BUT if it's permenant damage to the 5arII enzyme then I'm fucked and I don't know if Masteron will do the trick of repalcing DHT.Let me wait for the results....
I'd like to heat your story Finasterided...how long did were you on.When did issues start?etc etc
 
Damn dude, I hope there isnt permanent damage!
I was thinking that there are some steroids that are more prone to cause hair loss which could be linked to increased DHT. Im only talking out loud for you to investigate since im not sure it will help you but is worth looking into it. If that medication damaged the mechanism though to produce the enzyme that blows!!

If you going to do a run with high test I would consider doing 600mg split of 300mg 2x a week. 400 I think is a bit low for your experiment
Take minimal estrogen blocker like adex so you dont get gyno but let your body build up estrogen to maybe get your DHT going.
 
Whalen I was stupid I took that shit for years with no real need as I have a lot of hair. Definitely had lower libido on it although not full blown impotence, sometimes I didn't perform though.
I stopped in the final year and in retrospect had a raging libido again, was thinking with my dick non-stop. Then being a tool I went on again for a couple of months and this time it went badly wrong, noticed testicular pain one day and possible shrinkage. When I finally put 2 + 2 together after checking the side effects on the net (after I noticed reduced watery ejac once) I quit immediately but sadly wasn't rewarded with a return to normal this time. After 3 weeks my T levels crashed and I had awful ed, brain fog, weight loss (muscle). About to start T therapy but not very optimistic.

It's interesting you tried high T as some form of androgen insensitivity seems the likeliest problem at the moment and that had been mooted as a possible remedy. Others have tried masteron without success.

Good luck with your efforts man and you maybe want to join in with the dialogue at propeciahelp.com as your TRT efforts would be of great interest.

Guys like Varga know their stuff but I fear we'll need a Nobel Prize winner to solve this one!
 
Well guys thanks alot for the support...I'm not gonna do anything for now till I get back all my blood results.Finasterided...what's the deal with androgen receptor insensitivity?I've been reading about it on Prophelp and I'm starting to really worry that this might be the case as I've been on TRT for almost 9 years.Does this mean you gotta boost your T doses year after year for life???This is all assuming everything is Ok with the conversion enzyme(which I pray it is)
 
Alright dudes...I got back some blood numbers today.The results for DHT,IGF-1 and Androstenadiol Glucoronide are gonna take about another 2 to 3 wks./Here's what I got for now:
Total Test:25.18 Range is 9.9 to 27.8 nmol/L
Bioavailable Test:19.83 Range is 2.14 to 13.6 nmol/L
Prolactin:13.3 Range is 4.1 to 18.4 ug/L.So much for my theory on prolactin!
Estradiol:99 Range is 28 to 156 pmol/L
SHBG:11.4 Range is 14.5 to 48.4 nmol/L.So much for my guess that the problem was due to high SHBG!
Cortisol AM:519 Range is 171 to 536 nmol/L.Kinda high...don't u find?But this should not affect libido etc.
Any ideas based on these numbers?I should not have low libido,ED and watery ejaculate based on these kinds of numbers......
 
You are doing a great job. Those numbers look good, except for the cortisol, but is expected to be high upon waking up, and slowly goes down during the day. Wait for what is pending now. The more information you get, the harder it is to make an assumption or diagnostic. Let's see what DHT says, and make sure there's no signs of diabetes or high cholesterol levels causing ED.
 
Thanx DJ...no diabetes or cholesterol issues.It's gotta be hormonal or perhaps a shrunken prostate gland due to finasteride usage.DHT and androstenadiol will answer that...
 
Hey Guys..got the last blood numbers this morning and the news is real bad.My DHT seems above normal.Range is 0.86 to 3.40 and my reading is 4.59.The problem is the Androstenadiol Glucoronide(the true indicator of DHT activity).Range is 2 to 19.My number is 3.4.A normal young man on TRT with a functioning 5ARII enzyme in his prostate should have a reading around 15.I'm fucked and depressed....This means that finesteride did permenant damage.I hope Masteron can help cuz if not I really don't know what to do....And all the negative stuff u read on propeciahelp.com makes it seem hopeless...
 
Well, don't get "depressed". That is just an emotion that can be isolated by the power of your reason. The important thing is, you have made an incredible study on your own body. I was expecting by simple probabilities, that these last numbers will contain the problem. And even though is a bad problem, the good news is that you know what is the root of the problem. A lot of people don't have any idea on how to proceed or what to do. They end up dieing intoxicated in anti depressants, anti anxiety, anti panic, anti humans, anti crap, etc...

There has to be a way to experiment with yourself and fix the issue. It could be masteron and/or proviron.
 
yes I second that from UFO most people would just die with anti-depressants and wonder most of their life.
knowledge is power and you can still seek the remedy.
I have been looking on and wondering about the avodart I take and if I maybe in the same situation.
look to the positive
mastro

yep dutasteride (avodart) is a dht blocker?
 
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Amen to that boys!At least I know where to start...IMO stay the hell away from any anti-DHTs...I'll update when I got news...
 
Good luck man, and since I am always interested in keep learning about my carbon unit, I will research info about your problem and will post anything that I can find.

keep it up!! YOU WILL have a solution. It is just a matter of time, but let's start searching and reading.
 
One more person chiming in......and I'm a newbie. I have fought these same issues while being on HRT for the last two years, at age 45. No DHT blockers,though.

My opinion,after looking at the new labs,is that your Prolactin is still too high. My lab value originally, was about a "4",on a 2-15 scale,and I could really feel it. Just my 2 cents,but try to get it lower.......say, about a 1. It made a big difference for me. I might be out of line,but this may be one of the times when the lower you can get it,the better. If you do get it really down there,at least you can cross it off,as a possibility.

The best thing about treating it,is that you can easily adjust the doseage,and get it tested. If .5 mg, at 2 x week, is not lowering it enough,try it every three days.

Another thing I have noticed,is that Estrogen may be the other culprit. You are well aware of what the "normal range" is,but for me,I need it in a very specific range. For example,I function best around 40,on a 7-50 scale. Seems kinda high,but everyone is different. I have kept extensive records,and have even had my blood tests done,on days where I felt the horniest,just to see what was going on.

Hope you get it figured out. I have been there and I feel your pain.
 
lumenosity said:
One more person chiming in......and I'm a newbie. I have fought these same issues while being on HRT for the last two years, at age 45. No DHT blockers,though.

My opinion,after looking at the new labs,is that your Prolactin is still too high. My lab value originally, was about a "4",on a 2-15 scale,and I could really feel it. Just my 2 cents,but try to get it lower.......say, about a 1. It made a big difference for me. I might be out of line,but this may be one of the times when the lower you can get it,the better. If you do get it really down there,at least you can cross it off,as a possibility.

The best thing about treating it,is that you can easily adjust the doseage,and get it tested. If .5 mg, at 2 x week, is not lowering it enough,try it every three days.

Another thing I have noticed,is that Estrogen may be the other culprit. You are well aware of what the "normal range" is,but for me,I need it in a very specific range. For example,I function best around 40,on a 7-50 scale. Seems kinda high,but everyone is different. I have kept extensive records,and have even had my blood tests done,on days where I felt the horniest,just to see what was going on.

Hope you get it figured out. I have been there and I feel your pain.
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I have said it on occasions that keeping estrogen too low might not be beneficial for sex drive. Im with you about the estrogen levels....I function better with it on the higher side too
As for the prolactin I agree dont see the harm in keeping it lower and see, however, gaber will also stimulate the brain in increasing the sex drive is not just the prolactin levels. So it;s a double edge deal here
Btw, taking gabergoline will increase sex drive regerdless of the prolacting levels but im not sure it is a good thing to stay on it for too long like years....it could just be that you need more testosterone on your hrt to boost your drive
 
Well guys here's the plan for now...I'm gonna start on Masteron and experiment with the doses to see if I feel anything...I also ordered Proviron..should have some news in 2 to 3 weeks.BTW Lumenosity,I gave it a shot with Dostinex for about 5 weeks and felt a tiny boost in libido but nothing else...I'm sure my issue lies in DHT supplementation(or at least I sure hope that's all it is...)
 
Hey Guys I wanted to update this thread,so here it is....To make a long story short I used Masteron at 500mg/wk and started to feel an amazing boost in libido and an improvement in ejaculate quality,after about 2 to 3 weeks.Now this lasted for about a month or so and then the feelings started to fade...So I decided to take a break from Masteron and I began a spring cycle that goes like this:SuperTest at 400mg/wk,Arimidex(1/2 tab two to three times a week),Turinabol(40 mg/day) and HGH (4 IU per day 5days/wk).Well guess what...my libido started creeping back by the end of the first week!
The bottom line is as follows:Finasteride(Propecia) screwed me up probably for years to come (or maybe forever)...but with the right doses of TRT and DHT replacement along with estrogen management I'm ok about 4 days out of seven...which isn't bad compare to the two years of zero libido(even while on TRT).
So here's wishing all you bros an awesome summer!!! ....and I'll update in a few months.
 
Good to hear!! hang in there. It is highly probable that your body will recover from the damage caused by propecia. It just needs a long time.
 
WOW!! this has been a very interesting and informative post. I have used propecia in the past (for about 2 years) and I can tell you I had no interest at all or what so ever. Gradually after taking it for a while I began to change and libido was no longer a priority. It remains this way 'till today. I wonder if there has been any updates on this issue. Again, awesome post guys!
 
whalen72 said:
Hey Guys I wanted to update this thread,so here it is....To make a long story short I used Masteron at 500mg/wk and started to feel an amazing boost in libido and an improvement in ejaculate quality,after about 2 to 3 weeks.Now this lasted for about a month or so and then the feelings started to fade...So I decided to take a break from Masteron and I began a spring cycle that goes like this:SuperTest at 400mg/wk,Arimidex(1/2 tab two to three times a week),Turinabol(40 mg/day) and HGH (4 IU per day 5days/wk).Well guess what...my libido started creeping back by the end of the first week!
The bottom line is as follows:Finasteride(Propecia) screwed me up probably for years to come (or maybe forever)...but with the right doses of TRT and DHT replacement along with estrogen management I'm ok about 4 days out of seven...which isn't bad compare to the two years of zero libido(even while on TRT).
So here's wishing all you bros an awesome summer!!! ....and I'll update in a few months.
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After reading you last entry I was thinking that your final drug protocol feels a bit too desperate to get any useful feedback from your body. I understand that you're desperate to get back to normal, but you just seem to be using too many new drugs at the same time.

I see you've even added HGH to the mix. I've had bad experiences with HGH due to water retention. The negative effects came on slowly but where incredibly severe after 4 weeks, and my maximum dose was only 4IU per day. Friends of mine have had the same side effects so I know I wasn't a unique case.

One of the side effects was a lower libido. Loud snoring was another interesting side effect. I'm talking about embarrassingly loud snoring where I'm afraid to fall asleep in public places (airplanes, movies, buses etc). Finally after several months off the HGH my wife can sleep in peace.
 
whalen72 said:
Hey Guys I wanted to update this thread,so here it is....To make a long story short I used Masteron at 500mg/wk and started to feel an amazing boost in libido and an improvement in ejaculate quality,after about 2 to 3 weeks.Now this lasted for about a month or so and then the feelings started to fade...So I decided to take a break from Masteron and I began a spring cycle that goes like this:SuperTest at 400mg/wk,Arimidex(1/2 tab two to three times a week),Turinabol(40 mg/day) and HGH (4 IU per day 5days/wk).Well guess what...my libido started creeping back by the end of the first week!
The bottom line is as follows:Finasteride(Propecia) screwed me up probably for years to come (or maybe forever)...but with the right doses of TRT and DHT replacement along with estrogen management I'm ok about 4 days out of seven...which isn't bad compare to the two years of zero libido(even while on TRT).
So here's wishing all you bros an awesome summer!!! ....and I'll update in a few months.
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4 out of 7 days is better than nothing man. Im glad you have a plan and see some results. One thing to add is try to experiment with adding DHEA 25mg 2x a week to start and increase from there if you dont see any results.
Keep us informed
THis will help many ppl
 
I've read through the posts, but just wanted to make a quick comment regarding the thread starter post; LH can be reduced to near zero after just a short period of time on Test.

After just 5 weeks of my first cyle, Test Cyp 400mg/week only, my LH was reduced to near zero.
 
BUMP for update whalen72
 
wow alot of info! In my opinion you need to reset your endocrine system. You need hcg for your balls you need hmg to up your fsh and dostinex to lower your prolactin. I f you can get it test undecoanate to give your libido a slight bump as well as your wife.
 
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