no gains yet help ? sust 500mg deca 200mg

[stevesmi]

ok steve eating mon - fri (work days diff on weekend ) looks basically like this

7am wake shake with whey oats 4 eggs half pint mik blended and down the hatch it goes
10am tin tuna pasta bolognase sauce , bananna (sometimes brown rice )
1pm meat potatoe veg piece of fruit
3pm pre workout shake whey oats
4.30 (after driving to gym post workout shake whey dextrose
7pm meat potatoe vegetable
10pm 4 slices brown wholemeal toast 300g low fat cott cheese glass of milk
bed for 8.5 hrs sleep

meat is normally pork loin chops lean mince 500g per portion or a rump steak or chicken , turkey breast
i drink between 3-4 litres water a day

training split is

back bi
chest tri
legs
shoulder
rest
repeat (at moment ) lifting heavy going for one warm up set and 3 working sets of 8-10 reps 5-6 for last set

with your workouts aim for 15 sets total per session to failure.. lift big to get big.

as for the food swap out the shakes for real food... what happens is you drink the shake and you get full and then don't want to eat anymore. so for breakfast go for pancakes/waffles instead. homemade or organic... not mcdonalds. along with eggs and grab some ezekial or multi grain bread. carbs and cals you need more of like zed said above.. do not be afraid of them.. for dinner instead of shakes eat a couple homemade burgers on wheat/multigrain bread. lots of lettuce, tomatoes, onions whatever.. you have a good trim base so you can afford to put on a little fat along with mass.

i guarantee you after this cycle after you fully recover in 3 months from now.. you do it again. but this time you swap out the shakes for real food. and you will blow up

your appetite in the morning and after workouts should be tremendous on deca. deca will stimulate your appetite. you should be ordering for 2 when you go to restaurants. i remember at my company dinner i was on a deca cycle and everyone thought i was nuts cause i ordered 3 entree's and ate them all along with soup, bread, seafood, and desert. also the buffet is your friend. it was hard for me to get full on deca, i was an eating machine. and since food is the most anabolic thing in existance this is why deca is such a tremendous mass builder

 

[Judo Tom]

ive always ate a good solid diet but when i started this 'bulk' cycle i have indeed upped my intake of carbs protein gains natural were nothing amazing but im a well toned 82kg before cycle but wanted to take it to next level mass wise after 3 years good training and eating , maybe your right steves mi ,

or am i just not seeing it cause im looking at myself everyday a few times ?

also what is your theory behind not taking nolva when using deca judo tom

thanks for input guys

nolva upregeulates progesterone receptors.. not good while on deca even a small dose

as for getting more cals.. add olive oil to meals, drink more milk, eat bigger portions etc etc..

i have a bunch of posts on tips for that if you need more search or just ask me again.

Good Luck

 

[gymjunkie09]

You need to take into consideration that you are running a fairly low dose of deca and from what I read you didn't kick your cycle with an oral which is why most people see big gains on the scale in the first 4-6 weeks. Next time throw in some beastdol or dbol for the first 4 weeks.

Just work on that diet for now and make sure you're eating like a horse and lifting big and you will grow. Like everyone said you're running reasonable doses so 7lbs in 6 weeks is not all that bad

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

your def. not eating enough... substituing fats for calories is not how your not gonna grow. and eating 4000 clean calories a day is rough.... Good luck

 

[gymjunkie09]

your def. not eating enough... substituing fats for calories is not how your not gonna grow. and eating 4000 clean calories a day is rough.... Good luck

yeah I'm eating 4k plus a day right now and it sucks lol, I literly feel like i'm gonna puke by my 5 or 6th meal but I just force it down.....but I am up 20lbs in my 7th week of test/deca/eq

 

[stevesmi]

^^^carb loading in the morning is a great tool in bulking. pancakes/waffles with honey. ditch the shakes people! go with real food. a shake will fill you up and kill your appetite for hours. so eat real food every 2 hours... cals, carbs, protein. try to hit all 3 each meal. if you cannot eat for a few hours then use shakes as a supplement, but don't make a habit of that.

 

[zedhed]

Also bro you can use FitDAy.
Just put that in google and it will get you there.
Once you get your list put in its really not that hard to maintain.
Looking good in the pic bro. Like Steve said you are lean right now.

 

[zedhed]

DAM!!!!
Thsi has to be one of the most informative threads that Ive read in a long time on here!
Kudos to all contributors!!
Gotta love this place.

 

[bigmike1984]

thanks for the input guys appreciate it im upping the food again and i must say i have began to feel stronger the last few days beginning week 7 tomorrow ill keep you posted on weight gain from here on untill end of cycle maybe i was being too impatient but im fairly new to cycling aas , stay tuned

thanks again everyone