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JustJacked
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i have a question i need answered so i came on the net and found this site. i dont know if im posting this ? in the rihgt thread but ill try anyways. does anyone here know if it would be ok to do a cycle of winni if you have a blood clot? the doctor wont say anything he just says not to do shit no matter what. if im posting this in the wrong place can sombody please direct me to a website where i could find this out.
thanks. jj
thanks. jj
mikeymuscles
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hey quadsweep, im a newbie to this site and i wanted your opinion.
1 - Age = 25
2 - Lifting off and on for 5 yrs, for the past year i've been working out hard
3 - Height = 5'6"
4 - Weight = 155
5 - Estimated BF% = approx 18-22%
6 - Diet = right now trying to lower some bf
7 - Goals = get jacked, a negetive i have, is im gaining alot of midesction weight in the stomach area. should i keep bulking and get to the weight i want , 185lbs. I've done deca and androl..it got me to 163. i came down cause i freaked about my stomach. Should i keep going for the bulk or start cutting and then go back to bulking.
8 - Proposed cycle - what would u recommend.
Thanks.....
1 - Age = 25
2 - Lifting off and on for 5 yrs, for the past year i've been working out hard
3 - Height = 5'6"
4 - Weight = 155
5 - Estimated BF% = approx 18-22%
6 - Diet = right now trying to lower some bf
7 - Goals = get jacked, a negetive i have, is im gaining alot of midesction weight in the stomach area. should i keep bulking and get to the weight i want , 185lbs. I've done deca and androl..it got me to 163. i came down cause i freaked about my stomach. Should i keep going for the bulk or start cutting and then go back to bulking.
8 - Proposed cycle - what would u recommend.
Thanks.....
i may not be the guru quadsweep , but im sure i can answer some of those questiions.. bf is 18-22... you def need to cut donw to at least 12 % before thinking about another bulker. If you are "on" you need to work out like its your job, none of thois working out once in a while.. if u dont work out, you will lose what u gained, and/or just gain more fat . so to get jacked.. get on a good diet and loose some lbs, watch what you eat, do some cardio, train natty for a while. then once your at al good point and have the deturmination to keep training , then u can get on a good cycle..
hope i helped
hope i helped
mikeymuscles
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Sweed said:
thanks, yea i just dont wana be one of those guys that are bulky with a gut. would winny help with the midsection or will that just rip me up?
RealDrill03
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Re: Newbies read this. Mods don't take this sticky down!
Thanks, I'm one of those Newbies! Just signed up a few minutes ago.
Thanks, I'm one of those Newbies! Just signed up a few minutes ago.
aikido_thefirstone
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Bump! Great post Quadsweep. I would love to see you repost the cycle recommendations you had for new guys or bros with few cycles under then belt.
Thanks!
Aikido
Thanks!
Aikido
underconst
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I have been lifting off and on for 5 yr's now i want to get serious and i would like to do it with some help can anyone tell me what is good to cycle with and how much. i am 39 5'7" 230lbs. 20%bf. 2400 cal. diet high protien/carb/low fat.any and all help will be greatly appreciated.thanks
underconst said:
read a lot on the boards... read some of the first cycle posts and theirs critiques people give them.
here is my post of my first cycle plan: this was said to be a great outline and cycle for a first timer.... http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4467224#post4467224
but u still have to do research and ask some questions.
good luck- hope this helped
shsrockshard
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where can i find *****************
You cannot ask that question on these boards!
RADAR
You cannot ask that question on these boards!
RADAR
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Choderboy
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i read them thouroughly. you will not have a problem from me.
New Guy Lookn for some info.
I'm a 6'7 basketball player looking to get some weight on my skinny frame. I've been lifitn gfor close to 7 years, but it's only ever been an on again off again cycle. I'm not looking to have a bodybuilders physique, but to put on some lb.'s of muscle and tone it up as well. Any info you could give a kid would be much appreciated. Keep in mind I'm a poor college student.
Z
I'm a 6'7 basketball player looking to get some weight on my skinny frame. I've been lifitn gfor close to 7 years, but it's only ever been an on again off again cycle. I'm not looking to have a bodybuilders physique, but to put on some lb.'s of muscle and tone it up as well. Any info you could give a kid would be much appreciated. Keep in mind I'm a poor college student.
Z
johnny1210
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Thanks for the advice, it is still hard to navigate, but thanks
athlete.03
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If only there was a way to force newbies to read this/have common sense... Not that all of them are retarted but sometimes it's pretty bad...
bicepts101
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was has this thread been reopened? all i see is where can i get this or thanks great info...better off closing it IMO...and there is a source post on the previous page you missed.
trinidad
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Another Newbie thread......
First off let me say welcome and I hope your stay here will be a pleasant one! There’s a whole lot of valuable information on this site and a lot of good brothers and sisters willing to help out and share their experiences and advice. There are a lot of posts that ask the same questions over and over where it would be easier to just use the search function or take some time and read through posts, but we are all here to learn and pass on what we might know. I’m posting this for newbies to the game and to this site but remember, whatever path you decide to take it’s YOUR decision!! No one here is forcing anything on you and the advice given is just that….advice. Should you decide to take the risk of using steroids than any consequences are your own. There are some terms at the bottom of this post for you to look up on your own. You will see them a lot. There are also a couple of sites for you to visit. Now, with that said let’s get started with some general advice:
Consult your physician-not everyone is comfortable with telling their doctor they use or are about to use roids and that is up to you but DO get a physical and have blood work done.
Workout naturally for as long as possible-building a good solid base and foundation is important to your growth and maintaining gains after a cycle.
Don’t start too young-it’s easy to want to jump on gear (steroids) when you’re in high school but don’t do it. Workout naturally and let your body develop as it should. Unless you’re competing wait until mid 20’s or so to start juicing, and have years of natural training already under your belt.
Know your steroids-when you have settle on a particular cycle, know what it is you’re taking and the potential side effects. If it’s a steroid that’s hard on the liver, cholesterol, prostate, heart, kidneys, gyno prone, etc…know this and take measures ahead of time. The Afstore is LOADED with goodies to help combat these things.
Starting-have all of your gear, ancillaries and post cycle therapy (PCT) before you start! It happens frequently where a bro will run out of his gear and not know what to do, or will panic because they start to experience signs of gyno (gynocomastia-bitch tits) and don’t have any anti-e’s (anti-estrogens) on hand. BE PREPARED!
Cycle-this advice may vary from person to person and is only a guideline but this is what I usually recommend: I usually say to start with a 10 week cycle of a long ester testosterone(cypionate, enanthate, sustanon) at a dose of 400-500 mgs. per week. These should be broken up in to 2 shots a week. As an example: 200-250 mgs. Every Monday and another 200-250 mgs. Every Thursday. By shooting twice a week, it will help keep your blood levels more consistent. This isn’t necessary as you could shoot the whole 500 mgs. once a week but it seems more beneficial from a body building perspective to run it twice a week. Running this will give you an idea of how your body will react to testosterone and if you encounter any side effects. If you were running a stack (2 or more steroids at once) and had some negative side effects, you might not know which one was causing it. Testosterone is used as a base for a lot of cycles so this is important. Your PCT is what you will run after your cycle is complete to help get your natural testosterone up and running quickly in hopes of keeping gains acquired will on cycle. The timing of your PCT is important and the start date will vary depending on the half-life of the drug. So on this site, this is what it would look like:
wks 1-10 test @ 400-500 mgs.
wks 12-15 pct
Consult your physician- After your cycle, check with your doctor to make sure all is well. Have more blood work done for a comparison.
Once you’ve successfully completed your first cycle, you’ll probably be anxious to start another one. I know I was, so the question becomes: How long do I have to wait between cycles? Well, the general rule of thumb is that time on=time off. So if you were on a 10 week cycle, you’d wait 10 weeks after the completion of your PCT before you’d start your next cycle. Again, this is a guideline.
When can you expect to see results? With this 10 week cycle, and with a lot of long ester cycles, usually around the 4th or 5th week.
You want to know how much weight you can expect to gain from your first cycle, right? Well that’s all going to depend on a few things like your genetics, diet, workout and rest habits. A testosterone only cycle might get you 8 lbs. or it might get you 20 lbs. Experiment to find out. It’s a trial and error type of thing.
How much of your gains will you keep after your cycle? Hard to say. Some believe that if you are already at your “genetic limit” than anything above that you won’t keep, or is difficult to keep. Some feel that a cycle will help you get to your genetic limit quicker and once there, you can maintain what you’ve gained. Don’t be surprised though if you gain 10-15 lbs. your first cycle and lose most of it. If not, great!! If so, maybe there are some adjustments you need to make. Trial and error.
Testosterone is testosterone is testosterone! Test is test! It’s the esters that are added to them that are different. Example: testosterone propionate, referred to as prop and testosterone cypionate, referred to as cyp. They are both testosterones, however when the ester cypionate is added to test, it can be shot less frequently ( once or twice a week) than prop because it’s a much longer, slower acting ester (slower time release). Prop on the other hand is fast acting and requires frequent injections of every day or every other day.
If you had a successful ride and would like to become a little more adventurous now, you can look in to stacking, or running a different cycle of a single steroid like anavar, or primo.
This is probably a good place to put this…..I had made a post asking fellow elitefitness brothers and sisters what single item they felt had the biggest impact on their physiques and do you know what it was? Food. Plain and simple. Food. You are what you eat. You can add size to your frame with it, or you can “cut” with it. Your diet is crucial. Steroids can aid in achieving your goals of bulking or cutting but don’t expect them to do all of the work. You can use various steroids in a cycle to cut with or to bulk with. Some steroids don’t add much mass but will harden you up or make you more vascular which is why they are often suggested when cutting but if your diet isn’t in check, it’s not going to matter. And let’s not forget about the importance of water. Drink a lot of water everyday, whether on or off.
Here’s some homework for you. Look these up, there are more but for now:
17-aa steroids
Half life
Esters
Gynocomastia
Estrogen
Progesterone
Ancillaries
Post Cycle Therapy
Stacking
A few sites to checkout:
Afstore- http://www.anafit.com/shop
Steroid profiles- http://www.steroid.com/drugprof.php
Ancillaries- http://www.ag-guys.com
Syringes- http://www.getpinz.com or http://www.ag-guys.com
Slang terminology (Newbies) posted by RADAR: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=414921
Newbies read this, posted by Quadsweep:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168809
PCT forum: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=81
posted by OMEGA: http://bulkmuscle.com/pct/
NEVER hesitate to ask a question! We all started at the beginning.
Moderators on this board are here for a reason and are in that position for a reason. Use secure email to them when you are doing a source check.
I hope I haven’t stepped on any toes with this post
First off let me say welcome and I hope your stay here will be a pleasant one! There’s a whole lot of valuable information on this site and a lot of good brothers and sisters willing to help out and share their experiences and advice. There are a lot of posts that ask the same questions over and over where it would be easier to just use the search function or take some time and read through posts, but we are all here to learn and pass on what we might know. I’m posting this for newbies to the game and to this site but remember, whatever path you decide to take it’s YOUR decision!! No one here is forcing anything on you and the advice given is just that….advice. Should you decide to take the risk of using steroids than any consequences are your own. There are some terms at the bottom of this post for you to look up on your own. You will see them a lot. There are also a couple of sites for you to visit. Now, with that said let’s get started with some general advice:
Consult your physician-not everyone is comfortable with telling their doctor they use or are about to use roids and that is up to you but DO get a physical and have blood work done.
Workout naturally for as long as possible-building a good solid base and foundation is important to your growth and maintaining gains after a cycle.
Don’t start too young-it’s easy to want to jump on gear (steroids) when you’re in high school but don’t do it. Workout naturally and let your body develop as it should. Unless you’re competing wait until mid 20’s or so to start juicing, and have years of natural training already under your belt.
Know your steroids-when you have settle on a particular cycle, know what it is you’re taking and the potential side effects. If it’s a steroid that’s hard on the liver, cholesterol, prostate, heart, kidneys, gyno prone, etc…know this and take measures ahead of time. The Afstore is LOADED with goodies to help combat these things.
Starting-have all of your gear, ancillaries and post cycle therapy (PCT) before you start! It happens frequently where a bro will run out of his gear and not know what to do, or will panic because they start to experience signs of gyno (gynocomastia-bitch tits) and don’t have any anti-e’s (anti-estrogens) on hand. BE PREPARED!
Cycle-this advice may vary from person to person and is only a guideline but this is what I usually recommend: I usually say to start with a 10 week cycle of a long ester testosterone(cypionate, enanthate, sustanon) at a dose of 400-500 mgs. per week. These should be broken up in to 2 shots a week. As an example: 200-250 mgs. Every Monday and another 200-250 mgs. Every Thursday. By shooting twice a week, it will help keep your blood levels more consistent. This isn’t necessary as you could shoot the whole 500 mgs. once a week but it seems more beneficial from a body building perspective to run it twice a week. Running this will give you an idea of how your body will react to testosterone and if you encounter any side effects. If you were running a stack (2 or more steroids at once) and had some negative side effects, you might not know which one was causing it. Testosterone is used as a base for a lot of cycles so this is important. Your PCT is what you will run after your cycle is complete to help get your natural testosterone up and running quickly in hopes of keeping gains acquired will on cycle. The timing of your PCT is important and the start date will vary depending on the half-life of the drug. So on this site, this is what it would look like:
wks 1-10 test @ 400-500 mgs.
wks 12-15 pct
Consult your physician- After your cycle, check with your doctor to make sure all is well. Have more blood work done for a comparison.
Once you’ve successfully completed your first cycle, you’ll probably be anxious to start another one. I know I was, so the question becomes: How long do I have to wait between cycles? Well, the general rule of thumb is that time on=time off. So if you were on a 10 week cycle, you’d wait 10 weeks after the completion of your PCT before you’d start your next cycle. Again, this is a guideline.
When can you expect to see results? With this 10 week cycle, and with a lot of long ester cycles, usually around the 4th or 5th week.
You want to know how much weight you can expect to gain from your first cycle, right? Well that’s all going to depend on a few things like your genetics, diet, workout and rest habits. A testosterone only cycle might get you 8 lbs. or it might get you 20 lbs. Experiment to find out. It’s a trial and error type of thing.
How much of your gains will you keep after your cycle? Hard to say. Some believe that if you are already at your “genetic limit” than anything above that you won’t keep, or is difficult to keep. Some feel that a cycle will help you get to your genetic limit quicker and once there, you can maintain what you’ve gained. Don’t be surprised though if you gain 10-15 lbs. your first cycle and lose most of it. If not, great!! If so, maybe there are some adjustments you need to make. Trial and error.
Testosterone is testosterone is testosterone! Test is test! It’s the esters that are added to them that are different. Example: testosterone propionate, referred to as prop and testosterone cypionate, referred to as cyp. They are both testosterones, however when the ester cypionate is added to test, it can be shot less frequently ( once or twice a week) than prop because it’s a much longer, slower acting ester (slower time release). Prop on the other hand is fast acting and requires frequent injections of every day or every other day.
If you had a successful ride and would like to become a little more adventurous now, you can look in to stacking, or running a different cycle of a single steroid like anavar, or primo.
This is probably a good place to put this…..I had made a post asking fellow elitefitness brothers and sisters what single item they felt had the biggest impact on their physiques and do you know what it was? Food. Plain and simple. Food. You are what you eat. You can add size to your frame with it, or you can “cut” with it. Your diet is crucial. Steroids can aid in achieving your goals of bulking or cutting but don’t expect them to do all of the work. You can use various steroids in a cycle to cut with or to bulk with. Some steroids don’t add much mass but will harden you up or make you more vascular which is why they are often suggested when cutting but if your diet isn’t in check, it’s not going to matter. And let’s not forget about the importance of water. Drink a lot of water everyday, whether on or off.
Here’s some homework for you. Look these up, there are more but for now:
17-aa steroids
Half life
Esters
Gynocomastia
Estrogen
Progesterone
Ancillaries
Post Cycle Therapy
Stacking
A few sites to checkout:
Afstore- http://www.anafit.com/shop
Steroid profiles- http://www.steroid.com/drugprof.php
Ancillaries- http://www.ag-guys.com
Syringes- http://www.getpinz.com or http://www.ag-guys.com
Slang terminology (Newbies) posted by RADAR: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=414921
Newbies read this, posted by Quadsweep:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168809
PCT forum: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=81
posted by OMEGA: http://bulkmuscle.com/pct/
NEVER hesitate to ask a question! We all started at the beginning.
Moderators on this board are here for a reason and are in that position for a reason. Use secure email to them when you are doing a source check.
I hope I haven’t stepped on any toes with this post
jacked clown
New member
Re: Another Newbie thread......
Jack and Clown give you 4 fuckin thumbs up
Jack and Clown give you 4 fuckin thumbs up
crunkjuice
New member
Re: Another Newbie thread......
Great post Hvywghtchamp
You must spread some Karma around before giving it to hvywghtchamp again.
Great post Hvywghtchamp
You must spread some Karma around before giving it to hvywghtchamp again.
growthspurt
New member
Re: Another Newbie thread......
Awesome post Brotha! I motion to "Sticky" this thread! What'ya say Mods?
Awesome post Brotha! I motion to "Sticky" this thread! What'ya say Mods?
JovanLS400
New member
Re: Another Newbie thread......
So let's start off with the first newb question...Can someone please explain the different units of measurement and how they are converted?CC,mg,IU ...thanks guys
So let's start off with the first newb question...Can someone please explain the different units of measurement and how they are converted?CC,mg,IU ...thanks guys
Hillmachine
New member
Re: Another Newbie thread......
Thank you
Thank you
RADAR
Well-known member
Re: Another Newbie thread......
Say the concentration is 200mgs
On the Needle is mesurememts of 1-5
200mg=1CC on the pin
IU's are measured Via Slin pin measurememts of 1-10 are charted on the needle.
so to break that down 1iu =.01cc
200ml=1cc=10iu's
RADAR
JovanLS400 said:
Say the concentration is 200mgs
On the Needle is mesurememts of 1-5
200mg=1CC on the pin
IU's are measured Via Slin pin measurememts of 1-10 are charted on the needle.
so to break that down 1iu =.01cc
200ml=1cc=10iu's
RADAR
djsf
New member
Re: Another Newbie thread......
Here is another great link for newbies: An outstanding thread on PCT how-to. No newbie should go without reading and absorbing this material.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327879&highlight=radar's+sticky
A gave him karma for 'ya! ;-)crunkjuice said:
Here is another great link for newbies: An outstanding thread on PCT how-to. No newbie should go without reading and absorbing this material.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327879&highlight=radar's+sticky
Re: Another Newbie thread......
I know u guys probably dont wanna hear this but im a newb and a friend recommended this cycle for first time.tell me what u think of it. thanks
wks 1-4 D-bol 30-35mg/day
wks 1-8 Test E 250/week
wks 1-9 Deca 400mg/week and wks 11-14 Nolvadex PCT.
I know u guys probably dont wanna hear this but im a newb and a friend recommended this cycle for first time.tell me what u think of it. thanks
wks 1-4 D-bol 30-35mg/day
wks 1-8 Test E 250/week
wks 1-9 Deca 400mg/week and wks 11-14 Nolvadex PCT.
nomad05
New member
Re: Another Newbie thread......
Most would reccomend that when running Deca to keep the test dose higher to avoid Deca Dick. If its your 1st cycle go w/just Test/Dbol. That way you will know which substance is causing gyno, bloat other sides.
Also I would run Test E at minimum of 10 weeks.
Wks 1-4 Dbol 35mg/day
Wks 1-10 Test E 500mg week
Wks 11-16 (HCG, Nolva)
Also keep Nolva on hand durring the cycle in case of sensitive nips (gyno)
On your 2nd cycle you could throw in some Deca (400mg )
Good luck
Nmd
Jon01 said:
Most would reccomend that when running Deca to keep the test dose higher to avoid Deca Dick. If its your 1st cycle go w/just Test/Dbol. That way you will know which substance is causing gyno, bloat other sides.
Also I would run Test E at minimum of 10 weeks.
Wks 1-4 Dbol 35mg/day
Wks 1-10 Test E 500mg week
Wks 11-16 (HCG, Nolva)
Also keep Nolva on hand durring the cycle in case of sensitive nips (gyno)
On your 2nd cycle you could throw in some Deca (400mg )
Good luck
Nmd
trinidad
New member
Re: Another Newbie thread......
Another link that I should've added:
http://www.spotinjections.com/index3.htm
Also, when you do decide to post a question about a cycle try and include these things:
Age
height
weight
bodyfat %
years of training
cycle history
cycle goals
Another link that I should've added:
http://www.spotinjections.com/index3.htm
Also, when you do decide to post a question about a cycle try and include these things:
Age
height
weight
bodyfat %
years of training
cycle history
cycle goals
studlife22
New member
Re: Another Newbie thread......
just a small side note, only platinum members can search
just a small side note, only platinum members can search
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Mr.X
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^^^^^ merged for all the newbies
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