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[hottxjock28]

Hey guys, I'm in Louisiana and totally new to the site. I've been working out for 10 years now and am 6'1, 187#, 45c, 31w, 16a, and really wanting to hit 200lbs. I've been all natural so far and tried everything, but I've plateaued and can't seem to move forward. I don't know jack shit about steroids, so I'm here to learn and see if it's for me. If anyone has any advice, I'd be grateful.

Also, anyone on here from Louisiana?

 

[griznuts2004]

WELCOME! Read, read, and read! That is my advice to you. Firstly, start with the newbie sticky at the top of the board. Good luck!

 

[hottxjock28]

Thanks.....where should I start reading first? Again, I'm at step on here and don't want to keep bothering all you experienced guys...but I am anxious.

 

[griznuts2004]

Well, start by reading up on test. It's the base of most people cycles and usually one of the easiest to obtain. Take a look into anavar and winny if you are looking to cut up. Not being a platinum member will limit your search capabilities, so you may have to take your time and look through the posts on each page. Just take your time before you make the huge step of taking any AAS.

 

[hottxjock28]

Thanks for the advice. I've been looking at this site now for some time and reading up a bit but I still don't think I know anything. I'm a long way from making my first purchase--i'm a very careful shopper--but what would you recommend for a first-time basic cycle?

 

[griznuts2004]

what are you looking to do? Put on size or cut up?

 

[hottxjock28]

Both. I'm at 187# right now and have been there for a long time--my primary goal is to reach 200lbs., which is pretty modest. I'm at about 12% bodyfat and would like to cut-up but this is a secondary goal for now.

 

[griznuts2004]

Most people I know seem to go with dbol orals as the first step into the AAS world. You will carry a bit of bloat with it, but you can take arimidex to alleviate the bloat. Read the sticky on the top on PCT also. That is for your post cycle therapy, so that you boost your natural testosterone levels when you are done. This will allow you to keep a larger percentage of your gains. Hope this helps bro!

 

[hottxjock28]

Thanks for helping me get started! Be on the lookout for more questions.

 

[monkey arms]

Both. I'm at 187# right now and have been there for a long time--my primary goal is to reach 200lbs., which is pretty modest. I'm at about 12% bodyfat and would like to cut-up but this is a secondary goal for now.

You need to pick, one or the other, do want to get big OR get cut.

I would suggest two things before starting. First, Get a good understanding of your diet and what works for you. At 187 I highly doubt you are at your genetic limit. One of the things that took me along time to learn was to get bigger, I had to eat bigger. I always thought that if I kept training hard I'd just naturally get stronger and bigger. I myself plateaued around 190 (I'm 6'1"- 6'2" on a good day) Once started to eat like a big guy I was able to put on 35 additional lbs, naturally in a little over a year... not bad.

Second, learn to be consistant. Many people will train hard for 3,4 months and make good progress and then take a month or two off, get out of shape, get motivated and begin the cycle all over again. You cannot expect to make any progress without dedication day in/day out, week in/week out. Long work weeks, holidays etc.

Establish good habits that become 2nd nature, reach your genetic limit, and then consider using gear. Have specific goals set and stick with them. In that amount of time you will have enough knowlege to make an educated decision.

 

[evander1972]

You want to bulk and cut at the same time, Do one or the other but you cant do both Bro. For a first cycle I would go for test and maybe an oral. Try test e or cyp, I took sust for my first cycle because you dont need to do so many injections and when its your first cycle this is a bonus. If I were to do my first cycle again this is what Id do. You could even just give the Dbol a miss and just go with the sust.

Week 1 - 4 Dbol 25 mg ed
Week 1 - 10 sust 250 mg e4d

Have HCG and Nolva on hand for gyno and PCT

 

[hottxjock28]

Thanks for the replies. Great advice, guys.

Monkeyarms: I know what you're saying about eating big, but I can't figure out how to stuff anymore into my gut. As far as consistence, I've been 100% dedicated and loyal at the gym for the 10 years I've been working out, so I've got that working for me.

Evander1972: I have two concerns about the dbol: water retention and liver damage. I'd like to avoid both as much as possible and I'm pretty ignorant on the subject.

Thoughts?

 

[evander1972]

Liver damage is an issue with dbol thats why people usually dont take it for longer than 5 weeks. You can also take Milk thistle while on the dbol to give your liver a helping hand. 25 mgs per day isnt a lot of dbol and with the milk thistle youll be ok. But being your first just make sure theres no blood in your urine and youll feel your liver if its strugling and just discontinue use. You will get water retention but this goes away as soon as you discontinue use. If your that bothered about bloat then get some liquidex or armidex. You will get bloat with the sust but not as bad as the dbol but youll still hold water on the face.

 

[gonelifting]

But being your first just make sure theres no blood in your urine and youll feel your liver if its strugling and just discontinue use. .

I hope you don`t mind me jumping in here... One question, What do you mean by"you`ll feel your liver if it`s struggling"? How do you do that?

 

[Moderate_THIS]

The only advice I can give is to keep eating those baby crocs, a lot of lean protein in there

 

[hottxjock28]

Chaos Mage: We have alligators down here and I eat plenty of 'em, and coons, gars, nutria, squirrel, crawfish, crabs, frogs, and anything else that walks, runs, swims or crawls.

gonelifting: you stole my question.

I also have another one. What would yall estimate a cycle like the one evander1972 recommended cost? I've been reading all the scientific info I can about this but need to the practicality of it too.

 

[evander1972]

I hope you don`t mind me jumping in here... One question, What do you mean by"you`ll feel your liver if it`s struggling"? How do you do that?

No worrys bro, I dont know about anybody else but I can feel mine when Ive went over the score. Its not sore just feels uncomfortable

 

[griznuts2004]

as far as cost goes, it all depends on your source. There can be a huge markup depending on who you know...

 

[hottxjock28]

Well, I don't know anyone. That's why I asked if there were any bros in Louisiana. One reason I joined the site is I'm hoping to find some connections...