New user. A little help please :)

[ThinkTank87]

First time poster, long time reader
I want to thank everyone for all of the great advice on this site. Although this is my first post here, this site has been one of my most visited for research and the sticky's were especially helpful. That being said, I'm ready to take the leap (if the bodybuilding gods will it) into the Anabolic zone.

A little bio:

A year ago I was
6'3"
312 lbs
35% bf

Now i'm

23 years old
6'3"
246 lbs
Not sure on the bf now, but i'm a relatively stocky guy, still have a little meat on my bones though.

With nothing but pure motivation and great dieting I've lost a good bit of weight, and would now like to start a cutting cycle. I've read several site's sticky's (including this one) and contemplated running a beginner cycle they have listed (test E 500 mg/week for 10 weeks) but i'm worried about the water retention since i'm already a bigger guy. Most of what I've read is that Test E is for people around 15% BF that want to bulk, which I know I'm not close to. I also know that bigger people might develop gyno so using a short acting ester (test prop) might be better since it gets out of your body quicker compared to Test E in case symptoms occur. The only downside for prop is EoD injections, which i'm completely fine with if that's what needs to be done.

So i'm wondering if someone could help me build a cycle including PCT. I'm already decently built, so mainly I want to cut down to about 215-220 and gain a little bit of muscle if that's at all possible. Needles don't bother me, and I'm already dedicated to what I'm doing (straight dieting and cardio for almost a year) so I'm not a beginner, but definitely not a pro. I'm just a used-to-be-fat guy who's ready to take the next step. I've done my homework, I don't expect easy results without hard work, and i'm willing to do whatever it takes. Please help. Thanks again for everything.

This is the cycle i'm looking at, please critique or if you have any suggestions let me know.

Test Prop 100mg EoD
Tren Ace 75mg EoD
8-10 week cycle.

For this cycle what would you suggest for PCT? I've read the sticky's and I know about HCG, Nolva, and Clomid obviously, but I'm looking for the correct dosage amounts and how many times a day you'd recommend (since dosages change depending on what you took). Thanks guys, I appreciate everything!


P.S.-My diet has always been clean. I don't drink alcohol, the only thing that goes into my system is water (Haven't had a coke since I started dieting!). My diet consists of oatmeal, almonds, tons of tuna, chicken, turkey, fish, and occasionally a nice steak.

 

[zedhed]

Hey bro,
I konw youre a big guy and I understand your reasoning behind the above. But man you gotta remember too that Tren is like setting off a bomb in your system. Tren is a super roid. Because of that you really should leave the Tren for later on in your endeavors. The thing is that it is much easier to move up to more and more potent roids. But it is nearly impossible to go back down that same scale.
You have concerns about bloat, have you considered a longer ester of Test such as Deconate?
I tell you from expereince that one of the many nice things about this ester is that you really can use it in a cutter. For me I just decrease the weekly dosage and carry the cycle a little bit longer. Doing this I have had very good response in my body using it as a cutter.
As a first cycle it is much easier on you to go with a simple cyle like such as Test only.
Keep us posted on what you decide and how it works for you.
Good luck and best regards

 

[bgbay]

What is your bf% though. You said your not even close to 15%, maybe try to get it around 16 -18, I don't know if going anabolic is such a great idea yet.
You could always grab a bottle of Katanadrol 2.0 from mrsupps.com and a bottle of Need2Slin from needtobuildmuscle and shred that extra bit of fat than get on a cycle and enjoy some lean gains .

just an opinion.

 

[stevesmi]

dont run tren for a first cycle. let me repeat. DO NOT RUN TREN FOR A FIRST CYCLE! the shut down you will get will cause you major confusion.

a first cycle of test only is perfect for you. run a PCT. then test your blood to make sure you recovered. tren is very hard to recover from and you will wish you didn't run it and without experience you won't know what to do and will come back on here after the cycle and post "shut down, what do i do?"

i would even encourage you to keep up your training and get to an even better weight before cycling.

 

[Gamer2Be08]

I like the idea of you running test prop, add in winstrol and t3 and your gonna have one great recomp.

test-p wks 1-10 100mg EOD
Beastdrol wks 1-4 20mg ED
Winstrol wks 6-10 50mg ED
T3, research a dosing scheme.

PCT
Clomid 50mg ED wks 1-4
HCGenerate
Unleased
Forma Stanzol

 

[ThinkTank87]

Ok, point taken. Don't add in Tren for a first cycle, lol.

I like the idea of test/winny stack, (not sure what beastdrol is?) the only thing bad I've heard about winny is site injection pain and it's bad on the joints. What is Beastdrol, and if it's not available, should I just skip it and do a Test/Winny stack?

I'd say i'm at about 22%. I ate high amounts of protein (315g a day) with little to no carbs on my diet. My strength stayed relatively the same. After 11 months i'm still able to lift the things I could when I first started my diet. I've lost roughly 70 lbs, I'm well built, and i've always had "retard strength" as some people would call it .


EDIT: Steve--
Nice pic of Brandon Marshall, I'm a big dolphins fan myself
I just wanted to ask, if you encourage a test only cycle, which test would you recommend (E, Prop, etc) and for how many weeks and mg's?

 

[ThinkTank87]

Due to the advice here i've decided to go for a test only cycle.

Test Prop EoD 100mg, sound ok?

As for the PCT, do I start the clomid 50mg a couple days after my last shot or what? EDIT: I ask because I know you start it at different times depending on the half-life of the ester.

 

[ThinkTank87]

Ok, Last question

Since i'm doing a test only cycle, should my PCT be this'---


Start third day after last injection. ED for 30 days
Clomid 100mg
Nolva 20mg

 

[FreQ]

Start PCT 3 weeks after you last test shot, and run it for 4 weeks.

 

[ThinkTank87]

I don't mean any disrespect by doubting your advice, but 3 weeks after my last TEST PROP injection?

Isn't that a little late...if not, please let me know why. Thanks