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lefler said:
4.5 is fast.(depending on the position) legit time of course
read this
http://www.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=371822
when i went to stanford my first year (track and field) and all the football dudes would be like "yo i got a 4.2" then they get timed correctly and realize they were way off. alot of ppl are just stupid really believe they run ___ whatever time..
"I think the real answer is that you don't know anything."
This is coming from a guy who cannot even type a sentence with proper grammar. Like I said earlier, if you want to ask me questions, then I will be more than happy to answer or debate them with you on the diet board guy.
"I try my best to explain the what's and why so that you will have a full picture."
Show me a post of yours that has the kind of depth on diet and nutrition that you asked me to give. If you have ever went in to such depth, every time for that matter, then please show me this.
"Tell someone to eat more startches without knowing how many calories and carbs he's already eating is what's unnacceptable...."
Obviously you ARE NOT good at reading. I gave 3-5 minutes of my time to give the guy some TIPS, not write a book. Why would I go into such depth unless asked to do so....AGAIN, do you do this for every post or are you being a hypocrit here?
"If you don't know anytrhing about diet , don't give diet advsie , especially "well just eat more starches..." and probably not sure what a starch is."
Obviously you DIDN'T do a search like I suggested, did you? I can guarantee that I have helped many more people with their diet and nutrition than you hands down. Just because I haven't posted much these past 2 years doesn't mean squat. Anybody with any experience here at these boards knows that you do not put more into a post than what is being asked or taken in. It gets old answering the same old diet questions every day without other people putting any effort into learning themselves. Most just want answers and no explanations why something is done....you do know this don't you? Again, if the guy wants to ask me questions, i'll be more than happy to answer them. Until then, i'm not gonna do it. You either understand that or you don't.
About the "Just add in some more starches" statement....
Obviously you DIDN'T read where I mentioned that trial and error is important did you? I can give guestimates all day long, but for any of these people to be successful, they have to eventually be able to understand their own bodies in order for some of their goals to be met. If he wants specifics, then I can give him some. Also, like I mentioned at least twice already, if he were wanting to lean/trim up, I would go about doing things differently.
If you still want me to answer and define all your terms, then I will do so tomorrow. I might do it anyway to shut you the hell up. This is really retarded if you do not think I can answer those. Just in case you do not think I can, try doing a search under most of those terms using my name as a cross-reference (on the diet board) and I can guarantee that you will see that I HAVE went over most those in the past...at great depths.
Have a Nice Day!
BMJ
This is coming from a guy who cannot even type a sentence with proper grammar. Like I said earlier, if you want to ask me questions, then I will be more than happy to answer or debate them with you on the diet board guy.
"I try my best to explain the what's and why so that you will have a full picture."
Show me a post of yours that has the kind of depth on diet and nutrition that you asked me to give. If you have ever went in to such depth, every time for that matter, then please show me this.
"Tell someone to eat more startches without knowing how many calories and carbs he's already eating is what's unnacceptable...."
Obviously you ARE NOT good at reading. I gave 3-5 minutes of my time to give the guy some TIPS, not write a book. Why would I go into such depth unless asked to do so....AGAIN, do you do this for every post or are you being a hypocrit here?
"If you don't know anytrhing about diet , don't give diet advsie , especially "well just eat more starches..." and probably not sure what a starch is."
Obviously you DIDN'T do a search like I suggested, did you? I can guarantee that I have helped many more people with their diet and nutrition than you hands down. Just because I haven't posted much these past 2 years doesn't mean squat. Anybody with any experience here at these boards knows that you do not put more into a post than what is being asked or taken in. It gets old answering the same old diet questions every day without other people putting any effort into learning themselves. Most just want answers and no explanations why something is done....you do know this don't you? Again, if the guy wants to ask me questions, i'll be more than happy to answer them. Until then, i'm not gonna do it. You either understand that or you don't.
About the "Just add in some more starches" statement....
Obviously you DIDN'T read where I mentioned that trial and error is important did you? I can give guestimates all day long, but for any of these people to be successful, they have to eventually be able to understand their own bodies in order for some of their goals to be met. If he wants specifics, then I can give him some. Also, like I mentioned at least twice already, if he were wanting to lean/trim up, I would go about doing things differently.
If you still want me to answer and define all your terms, then I will do so tomorrow. I might do it anyway to shut you the hell up. This is really retarded if you do not think I can answer those. Just in case you do not think I can, try doing a search under most of those terms using my name as a cross-reference (on the diet board) and I can guarantee that you will see that I HAVE went over most those in the past...at great depths.
Have a Nice Day!
BMJ
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Great post.
I try to help as best I can with nutrition posts. I do not have a dietetic background, but try to provide information about what I have learned these last 8 years of training, competing and learning from various knowledgeable individuals.
It is a great thing to have someone take of their time to post replies who does in fact have this background and is also interested in fitness/training. It takes and additional knowledge to provide nutrition to an athlete who BB or PL, etc., because I think you also have to understand their mind - afraid of eating too much or will get fat syndrome (which is what I come across most often). Thanks for your input.
"You must spread some Karma around before giving it to MR. BMJ again."
Take care.
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Mythicwrld
"We deceive ourselves when we fancy that only weakness needs support. Strength needs it far more."
I try to help as best I can with nutrition posts. I do not have a dietetic background, but try to provide information about what I have learned these last 8 years of training, competing and learning from various knowledgeable individuals.
It is a great thing to have someone take of their time to post replies who does in fact have this background and is also interested in fitness/training. It takes and additional knowledge to provide nutrition to an athlete who BB or PL, etc., because I think you also have to understand their mind - afraid of eating too much or will get fat syndrome (which is what I come across most often). Thanks for your input.
"You must spread some Karma around before giving it to MR. BMJ again."
Take care.
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Mythicwrld
"We deceive ourselves when we fancy that only weakness needs support. Strength needs it far more."
gjohnson5
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MR. BMJ said:
Whatever , like one said it's a waste of time arguing. Especially here where it's obvious that your hiding... The original poster has given me his thanks for the diet advise I gave him. If you extent of advise is "eat more starch" then you type of help is not helpful.
Anyway I wasted my time and searched for your name on some of the terms that I mentioned on all of elite fitness boards and the search returned 0 (zero) hits. You haven't even used the word "glycemic". Maybe you outta go get your blood sugar checked then...
I wonder how many hits it will bring up when I look up the word starch for you
I'm through... The search proves you don't know anything about diet as I suspected.
Have a nice day
mrp3652
Banned
I didn't see his pics but his strength stats aren't out of this world at 19. When I was 18 I hit 480 back squat all the way down at a natural weight of 197. Also even though I didn't make it my top priority I still hit a 320 bench at the same weight. As you can see those stats are very possible.
"If you reread your own diet advise you don't explain anything about the main nutrients to be gotten at breakfast , lunch , pre workout , port workout or evening."
LOL @ "to be gotten at." Grammar is definately not your strong point is it?
"You didn't explain why each time period is significant. You didn't explain anything about protein , fat or carb calories"
Anyway...because he is only 19 years old, I was trying to give him some EASY tips to follow, and not something too complicated. Basically, I was just trying to add in a few extra calories to his diet, as he really wasn't eating too much. Remember, my whole thread was based on something that would be more benificial towards adding more weight and hopefully strength. Therefore, I tried to add in more starches early on in the day and end it with more veges and slow absorbing foods in the evening and night. YES, I did add to my post that if he wasn't getting any and/or the results he was wanting, he could add in more starches if it helped with progress. This would take some trial and error on his part depending on his goals and maybe appearance if it bothered him. In other words, if he was feeling "flat" he could always add in more starches if it didn't negatively effect him. Adding in healthy fats and EFA's would also be benificial throughout the day and at night. I also try not to add sugary foods with fatty foods, especially if eating above maintenance calories. I don't stress on mixing carbs with fats, only unhealthy fats (i.e. saturated, etc) with sugary/high glycemic carbs. Therefore, I would never add much, if any, fat to my postworkout meal if I was also having a sports drink with it. This is due to any negative effects on insulin resistance and/or sensitivity issues. I feel protein should be ingested throughout the day every few hours for optimal results. The amount for this will vary depending on who you ask. I generally try to consume anywhere between 1.2 to 2.0 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. This has been the optimal range for ME. You could probably go lower when bulking though, as total ingested calories is probably more important when trying to add in strength and muscle gains.
You may notice that I am not going into very much detail, and that is because, like I mentioned earlier, I wasn't trying to add anything to his post that would make things too difficult for him to try out. How can I get elaborate on a few tips?
In a nutshell....I was trying to add in more starches (low GI/load) and healthy fats to the diet for more calories. For starches, I like to eat most of them early on in the day and with protein and healthy fats. I like to eat more fibrous veges later on in the day, BUT, if I feel that I need to add in more carbs, I am not afraid to do so...CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? This is where a person's own trial and error has to come into play and on the goals they are trying to accomplish. When I did my original "tips," I didn't have much to go on...Do you agree? My pre-workout meal 'normally' consists of some easily digestible proteins, a low GI starch, and a little bit of healthy fat. I'll usually eat this about an hour before my workouts. Sometimes, i'll sip on a Dextrose drink or even a Gatorade drink throughout my workouts. When I do this, I will not add any more of these drinks to my post-workout meal. Instead, I will just drink a fast digesting/absorbing whey protein drink. NOW, If I do not sip on a dextrose/Gatorade drink during my workouts, then I will usually just have one with my whey protein drink post-workout. This is what I do when trying to add a little muscle and strength and do not care of adding a little fat to my frame. When I am dieting, it is different as I will not even drink a dextrose/sports drink. Instead, i'll have my pre-workout meal (which the composition will vary depending on what type of diet I am following) and a whey drink after.
One thing on proteins. I have found it beneficial to eat easily digesting proteins for all my meals preworkout. After my post-workout meal, I will usually concentrate more on eating solid proteins like chicken, beef, steak, beans, cottage cheese, etc. This has made it easier on me for getting more protein in for the first part of the day, then ending it with proteins that will continue to release amino acids for longer periods of time and throughout the night. This is not set in stone either, if I want chicken or red meat during the day, i'll eat it.
"nor did you explain a diet that has these macronutrients in percentages."
I am not gonna cover every damn diet and the benefits of each. I just added a few pointers to what he had written and that was it. I am also not gonna give him a diet with exact amounts and percentages on the info he gave. He has got to do a little bit on his own here. If he needed help, then I would/will do so on helping him. Remember, I originally gave pointers to add in a few extra calories. I am not too ANAL when following a hypercaloric regimine. Get your protein in throughout the day, add in your fats and starches, and toy around with pre/post-workout meals. I can get anal if he wants me too, but until asked, I will not do so. When leaning-up, I DO get anal though.
"You didn't explain what are good sources of the 3 macronutrients or subdivisions of those macronutrients."
Actually, you are forgetting about water, vitamins, and minerals as well. Since you are being so anal on a post like this, don't you think there should have been mention of these as well? OR, are not important?
"What is a Monosaccharide ?"
I don't know how anal you want me to get but in simple terms a monosaccharide is the simplest form of the carbohydrates. Examples of these are glucose (the basic sugar-unit by which carbohydrates are built and broken down to), fructose (found in most fruits), and galactose (a milk sugar). Of course, you could also add in other pentose derivitives such as ribose, arabinose, and xylose if you wanted to.
"What is a Disaccharaide??"
A disaccharide (please spell it write next time) can be thought of as two single sugars (monosaccharides) linked together (by condensation if you wanted to know). These sugars can undergo hydrolysis and be broken back down into monosaccharides. Examples of disaccharides are:
1.) Sucrose (glucose molecule + fructose molecule).
2.) Maltose (Glucose molecule + glucose molecule).
3.) Lactose, a milk sugar. (glucose molecule + galactose molecule).
Uhhhh....aren't you forgetting about oligosaccharides? You know, the ones that are commonly found in most sports bars nowadays?
"What is a Polysacchararide??"
Again you misspell what you are trying to ask.... Polysaccharides are the long chains of monosaccharides (mainly glucose) that form either starch (amylose and amylopectins) and nonstarch polysaccharides (fiber, glycogen, cellulose, hemicelluloses, inulins, lignins, and chitin) in foods.
What is the glycemic index and where does maltodextrin fit in it?
Instead of giving my definition, i'll just give the link to the site that is most commonly accompanied regarding the GI list and GI load of food(s).
http://www.mendosa.com/gilists.htm
What is a monoglyceride??
In order to understand what the next three terms are, you have to know that each are synthesized by a molecule of glycerol and fatty acids. Glycerol is basically a water-soluble alcohol with three carbons and 3 hydroxyl (oh groups) attached to it. Fatty acids are basically chains of carbons with an organic acid. Gee....i'm sure this will really help him with his diet huh?
When 1 fatty acid is reacted with a glycerol molecule it forms a monoacylglycerol
"What is a diglyceride??"
When 2 fatty acids react with a glycerol molecule is creates a diacylglycerol.
"What is a triglyceride??"
When all three hydroxyls of glycerol react with 3 fatty acids, then a triacylglycerol. If one of the three fatty acids are different, then it will become a complex triacylglycrol.
If you want to get into the different types of fatty acids, then you can contribute to this thread by doing so. I'm not gonna do it.
"You talked alot about starches... could I get you to explain what a starch is and how they relate to other types of carbohydrates???"
I already did this. The two basic forms of starch are amylose and amylopectins. You can throw in dextrins and glycogen as well. Amylose is basically an unbranched chain of glucose units (~600 or more) that are linked by alpha-1,4-glycosidic linkages. Amylopectins are branched-chain polysaccharides varying from 600-1500 glucose units linked together by alpha-1,4-glycosidic linkages (the linear portion of the starch) and alpha-1,6-glycosidic linkages (the links present when branching occurs).
Gee, I bet he feels a lot better know.....?...?...?
"You didn't explain anything to him about resting metabilc rate or basal metabolic rate and how you calorie consuption should revolve around these numbers."
If you really want to get anal and use these as your guide and "how you calorie consuption should revolve around these numbers," Then feel free. I don't really ever use them, but you can all you want. Instead, I just multiply my bodyweight by 12 to figure out a general 'range' of calories I will use this as a starting point for my maintenance intake for the day. Obviously, when I am "bulking," it will be much higher, and like I mentioned earlier, I do not get too anal on specifics as long as I am consuming 1.2 to 2.0 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. Once that is set, I will fill in my fats and carbs as needed. If somebody wants to use a specific diet using specific percentages of F/C/P, then i'll just calculate that out accordingly. There are people here on the boards that can eat 2-3,000 kcals and get fat or not gain muscle......Then you have people that can, and sometimes have to in order to gain muscle, consume 7,000 and above kcals and not even get too fat. It takes trial and error here...do you understand that? Nothing is set in stone.
When leaning-up, I get more anal. Depending on whether you are using a ketogenic diet (or CKD/TKD, etc), isocaloric, 20/30/50, zone, protein/carb cycling diet, etc...etc..., it will vary. Just depends on what is being used.
Just in case....A carbohydrate has 4kcals/gram, a protein has 4kcals/gram, and fat "generally" has 9kcals/gram.
"In other words , your diet advice sucks..."
Sorry i'm so stupid bro.
Have a nice day!
BMJ
LOL @ "to be gotten at." Grammar is definately not your strong point is it?
"You didn't explain why each time period is significant. You didn't explain anything about protein , fat or carb calories"
Anyway...because he is only 19 years old, I was trying to give him some EASY tips to follow, and not something too complicated. Basically, I was just trying to add in a few extra calories to his diet, as he really wasn't eating too much. Remember, my whole thread was based on something that would be more benificial towards adding more weight and hopefully strength. Therefore, I tried to add in more starches early on in the day and end it with more veges and slow absorbing foods in the evening and night. YES, I did add to my post that if he wasn't getting any and/or the results he was wanting, he could add in more starches if it helped with progress. This would take some trial and error on his part depending on his goals and maybe appearance if it bothered him. In other words, if he was feeling "flat" he could always add in more starches if it didn't negatively effect him. Adding in healthy fats and EFA's would also be benificial throughout the day and at night. I also try not to add sugary foods with fatty foods, especially if eating above maintenance calories. I don't stress on mixing carbs with fats, only unhealthy fats (i.e. saturated, etc) with sugary/high glycemic carbs. Therefore, I would never add much, if any, fat to my postworkout meal if I was also having a sports drink with it. This is due to any negative effects on insulin resistance and/or sensitivity issues. I feel protein should be ingested throughout the day every few hours for optimal results. The amount for this will vary depending on who you ask. I generally try to consume anywhere between 1.2 to 2.0 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. This has been the optimal range for ME. You could probably go lower when bulking though, as total ingested calories is probably more important when trying to add in strength and muscle gains.
You may notice that I am not going into very much detail, and that is because, like I mentioned earlier, I wasn't trying to add anything to his post that would make things too difficult for him to try out. How can I get elaborate on a few tips?
In a nutshell....I was trying to add in more starches (low GI/load) and healthy fats to the diet for more calories. For starches, I like to eat most of them early on in the day and with protein and healthy fats. I like to eat more fibrous veges later on in the day, BUT, if I feel that I need to add in more carbs, I am not afraid to do so...CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? This is where a person's own trial and error has to come into play and on the goals they are trying to accomplish. When I did my original "tips," I didn't have much to go on...Do you agree? My pre-workout meal 'normally' consists of some easily digestible proteins, a low GI starch, and a little bit of healthy fat. I'll usually eat this about an hour before my workouts. Sometimes, i'll sip on a Dextrose drink or even a Gatorade drink throughout my workouts. When I do this, I will not add any more of these drinks to my post-workout meal. Instead, I will just drink a fast digesting/absorbing whey protein drink. NOW, If I do not sip on a dextrose/Gatorade drink during my workouts, then I will usually just have one with my whey protein drink post-workout. This is what I do when trying to add a little muscle and strength and do not care of adding a little fat to my frame. When I am dieting, it is different as I will not even drink a dextrose/sports drink. Instead, i'll have my pre-workout meal (which the composition will vary depending on what type of diet I am following) and a whey drink after.
One thing on proteins. I have found it beneficial to eat easily digesting proteins for all my meals preworkout. After my post-workout meal, I will usually concentrate more on eating solid proteins like chicken, beef, steak, beans, cottage cheese, etc. This has made it easier on me for getting more protein in for the first part of the day, then ending it with proteins that will continue to release amino acids for longer periods of time and throughout the night. This is not set in stone either, if I want chicken or red meat during the day, i'll eat it.
"nor did you explain a diet that has these macronutrients in percentages."
I am not gonna cover every damn diet and the benefits of each. I just added a few pointers to what he had written and that was it. I am also not gonna give him a diet with exact amounts and percentages on the info he gave. He has got to do a little bit on his own here. If he needed help, then I would/will do so on helping him. Remember, I originally gave pointers to add in a few extra calories. I am not too ANAL when following a hypercaloric regimine. Get your protein in throughout the day, add in your fats and starches, and toy around with pre/post-workout meals. I can get anal if he wants me too, but until asked, I will not do so. When leaning-up, I DO get anal though.
"You didn't explain what are good sources of the 3 macronutrients or subdivisions of those macronutrients."
Actually, you are forgetting about water, vitamins, and minerals as well. Since you are being so anal on a post like this, don't you think there should have been mention of these as well? OR, are not important?
"What is a Monosaccharide ?"
I don't know how anal you want me to get but in simple terms a monosaccharide is the simplest form of the carbohydrates. Examples of these are glucose (the basic sugar-unit by which carbohydrates are built and broken down to), fructose (found in most fruits), and galactose (a milk sugar). Of course, you could also add in other pentose derivitives such as ribose, arabinose, and xylose if you wanted to.
"What is a Disaccharaide??"
A disaccharide (please spell it write next time) can be thought of as two single sugars (monosaccharides) linked together (by condensation if you wanted to know). These sugars can undergo hydrolysis and be broken back down into monosaccharides. Examples of disaccharides are:
1.) Sucrose (glucose molecule + fructose molecule).
2.) Maltose (Glucose molecule + glucose molecule).
3.) Lactose, a milk sugar. (glucose molecule + galactose molecule).
Uhhhh....aren't you forgetting about oligosaccharides? You know, the ones that are commonly found in most sports bars nowadays?
"What is a Polysacchararide??"
Again you misspell what you are trying to ask.... Polysaccharides are the long chains of monosaccharides (mainly glucose) that form either starch (amylose and amylopectins) and nonstarch polysaccharides (fiber, glycogen, cellulose, hemicelluloses, inulins, lignins, and chitin) in foods.
What is the glycemic index and where does maltodextrin fit in it?
Instead of giving my definition, i'll just give the link to the site that is most commonly accompanied regarding the GI list and GI load of food(s).
http://www.mendosa.com/gilists.htm
What is a monoglyceride??
In order to understand what the next three terms are, you have to know that each are synthesized by a molecule of glycerol and fatty acids. Glycerol is basically a water-soluble alcohol with three carbons and 3 hydroxyl (oh groups) attached to it. Fatty acids are basically chains of carbons with an organic acid. Gee....i'm sure this will really help him with his diet huh?
When 1 fatty acid is reacted with a glycerol molecule it forms a monoacylglycerol
"What is a diglyceride??"
When 2 fatty acids react with a glycerol molecule is creates a diacylglycerol.
"What is a triglyceride??"
When all three hydroxyls of glycerol react with 3 fatty acids, then a triacylglycerol. If one of the three fatty acids are different, then it will become a complex triacylglycrol.
If you want to get into the different types of fatty acids, then you can contribute to this thread by doing so. I'm not gonna do it.
"You talked alot about starches... could I get you to explain what a starch is and how they relate to other types of carbohydrates???"
I already did this. The two basic forms of starch are amylose and amylopectins. You can throw in dextrins and glycogen as well. Amylose is basically an unbranched chain of glucose units (~600 or more) that are linked by alpha-1,4-glycosidic linkages. Amylopectins are branched-chain polysaccharides varying from 600-1500 glucose units linked together by alpha-1,4-glycosidic linkages (the linear portion of the starch) and alpha-1,6-glycosidic linkages (the links present when branching occurs).
Gee, I bet he feels a lot better know.....?...?...?
"You didn't explain anything to him about resting metabilc rate or basal metabolic rate and how you calorie consuption should revolve around these numbers."
If you really want to get anal and use these as your guide and "how you calorie consuption should revolve around these numbers," Then feel free. I don't really ever use them, but you can all you want. Instead, I just multiply my bodyweight by 12 to figure out a general 'range' of calories I will use this as a starting point for my maintenance intake for the day. Obviously, when I am "bulking," it will be much higher, and like I mentioned earlier, I do not get too anal on specifics as long as I am consuming 1.2 to 2.0 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. Once that is set, I will fill in my fats and carbs as needed. If somebody wants to use a specific diet using specific percentages of F/C/P, then i'll just calculate that out accordingly. There are people here on the boards that can eat 2-3,000 kcals and get fat or not gain muscle......Then you have people that can, and sometimes have to in order to gain muscle, consume 7,000 and above kcals and not even get too fat. It takes trial and error here...do you understand that? Nothing is set in stone.
When leaning-up, I get more anal. Depending on whether you are using a ketogenic diet (or CKD/TKD, etc), isocaloric, 20/30/50, zone, protein/carb cycling diet, etc...etc..., it will vary. Just depends on what is being used.
Just in case....A carbohydrate has 4kcals/gram, a protein has 4kcals/gram, and fat "generally" has 9kcals/gram.
"In other words , your diet advice sucks..."
Sorry i'm so stupid bro.
Have a nice day!
BMJ
