New here.....got a motocross question

[rutdipper]

Hey guys, new here...great site with awesome info!

I did a search a found a few motocross related questions like mine but didn't quite find the answer I was looking for.

First off I have been racing motocross most of my life, at the highest level for a few years now. I'm in my early 20's and am a small guy 5'7 160lbs. A few years ago I began taking Dbols and anadrol, the doses I take are small enough from what I've heard to probly be considered a waste, but it works for me....I'm not looking to get huge, I'm just looking for some added strength and muscle and help in recovery which so far hs been working great. But to get to my main question is I Started getting really bad arm pump. I've tried cutting even more down on my dose (which is hardly anything) and still get it. my fitness is good which is normally a big cause of arm pump and I also get plenty of time on the bike.

So basically my main question is there any way to take Dbol/Anadrol and not get arm pump? if not is there any other suggestions? I kno the simple answer is to not take anything....but considering my size I notice a big improvement in my strength and being able to muscle the bike around when needed...like when things get sketchy! Lol

Any help is appriciated!

Thanks

 

[training700]

Switch maybe to anavar since seem to like an oral only.

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[hydez27]

I would probably drop the anadrol and just run the dbol and see how that goes

 

[C0LUMB0]

Good food and hard work in the gym is all you need .
drol ,dbol or any other compound is not the solution to needing size and strength for your sport brother.

read this : http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...-build-muscle-loose-fat-then-read-712503.html

 

[stevesmi]

AAS is used by bodybuilders to help build mass. you want to be a better motorcross or whatever driver then practice more. roids isn't gonna turn you into a champion man.

 

[BLM Shot]

The whole AAS is only for body builders is strange to me. He said he is taking low doses to aid in recovery and it is working for him. High level motocross get beat the F up. AAS is used in all kinds of sports including motorcross and it helps high level athletes. They even use AAS in cycling, mostly it is EPO (I know, not AAS), but in the off-season they cycle AAS. I know a mountain biker that used low doses and he started crushing it and bounced back from injuries way faster.

If AAS was only for BBers it wouldn't be in every sport and improving the athletes in every sport.

They are PED, it will increase his performance. It will shorten recovery. He will place better on than off.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ you missed my point.

i'm saying you get better as a motorcross driver by practicing and having the necessary skills. AAS is not gonna turn you into a champion. I'm not saying it can't be used to help a person recover etc.

its like people who think taking roids will turn them into Jay Cutler or Tom Brady. you need the talent and hard work to get there. steroids are not a magic pill. i'm not bashing the OP i am just letting him know this, he probably already knows this (i hope) but you never know the magic benefits people expect

hope you understand better now and I would think you would agree with this too

i used to be an endurance athlete myself and i laugh at guys who want to juice to get faster times. you want to get faster times, you RUN. thats the only way. taking roids and watching mtv with a beer in your hand all afternoon isn't gonna make you faster. just like if you want to be a better ballroom dancer, then practice dancing. taking roids and then wishing it to improve you at a certain finite skill doesn't work.

i fully expect in another 5 years we will hear people come on here and ask if they can take roids to become better at warcraft video games or whatever. thats the society we live in today, take a drug for everything

 

[BLM Shot]

OK, I got ya Steve. I agree 100% BTW a juiced up ballroom dancer would be entertaining. LOL

He did say he is at the highest level of motorcross now. Being at the highest level, he has skills. Weather it be just great talent and genes or hard work and dedication or some combo or all- he is there.

With that said, would a little AAS give him an advantage over, let's say, the guy he keeps finishing either right in front of or right in back of. So he is on par with this other guy. Now, he takes AAS- will he have the advantage more now than before?

Also, I am aware of your running background. I myself use to run marathons and half marathons. Not competitively, but yeah- runners that think AAS will help....well, they have a big surprise coming. BTW, do miss the running at all?

 

[shavas]

I used to race motocross as well in pro class so know how debilitating a bad arm pump can be in a race. You're probably getting it from having extra blood volume in your body causing the pump to come on sooner and stronger. How is your blood pressure? It's probably gone up some. You could try donating some blood to reduce some blood volume which could help for the pump. I know some guys who do HRT do that every 6 months or so to get rid of extra blood and RBC's. Or try swtiching to a milder steroid.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ i still run but i developed injuries so i cannot put in very much mileage. i used to be clocking in at 45 miles per week.. yes i miss the competition, i miss the last quarter mile trying to catch the person ahead of you.. bodybuilding you pretty much compete with yourself, unless you want to go on stage or enter a lifting competition... right now I compete against the mirror lol.

AAS will give him some advantage in some areas, but also some disadvantages. i would think the higher RBC would cause him to hurt his endurance a bit, and the pumps could hurt him as well.. i know when i run on dbol my calves start getting pumps at half a mile, so not sure if his arms would start bothering him as well the same way? ... i'm not an expert in motorcross though .. its probably a good idea for him to try low doses and see if it makes a difference, there is also the supression issue when you cycle off to deal with. so if he is a year round competitor that will be a problem.

 

[BLM Shot]

Yeah, the endurance part of motorcross is huge. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the top guys with a doctors assistance are running EPO. Seems to me that they would run similar to top cyclists. A little AAS & HGH in the off season, then move to EPO with a little HGH coming into season and tapering to keep levels low enough to pass tests and keep crit levels high but passable in season.

IDK this is just an educated guess from what I have read.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^did u use EPO when you were running marathons/halves?

we would train in high elevations ourselves.. a buddy of mine had a chamber he would sleep in the night before .. we were pretty hardcore but I really think the difference is so small that just training a tad better leading up to the race trumps all that.

the more mileage i put in the better i felt on race day to a tee.

 

[BLM Shot]

No on on the EPO. I was running at 6,000-10,000ft with some trail runs on 14er's and my crit is pretty high anyway. I would love to try a chamber.

I may do E down the road, when I feel I can do it safely. It's actually not too bad if done properly and monitored. I think all the deaths were because EPO just hit the racing scene and if you didn't do it, you weren't going to win. All these guys that thought if they just slammed enough EPO they would win, but ended up dying. Cyclists are still using EPO, just smarter.

I train hard and felt I ran pretty good. From what I understand, though, is normally when you would be gassed, if on EPO- you would power through with no issues.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ yea from what i've read the EPO sides can be tremendous. maybe one day if i get back into running i will try it.

 

[jimp]

I don't want to disagree with the elites here I have gotten tons of great advice from this board over the years.
I have professionally run motocross, as well as GP road racing. I'm also on HRT and have plenty of experience with Dbol.

forearm Pump is a big problem in these sports. when your arms get so pumped you can't feel the throttle and brakes any longer your in the weeds pretty quick. and these guys will use the muscles in there forearms thousands of times in a session.

shavas
has the great point about the red blood cells and giving blood regularly is the fix for that, but personally I also think the extra water you retain from the dbol is a contributing factor as well. I know with me a bit of Arimidex seems to tame the dbol pumps. You can search for dosage.

I have also found at my age (mid 40's) that warm ups and "real" stretching prior to the activity and immediately after helps greatly in both the pumps and recovery.

just my 2 cents
good luck

 

[rutdipper]

Just to clear up a few things and to help you get a better understanding of why I first started taking AAS, I had some really bad injuries a few years ago and trying to rehab them all at once in a timely fashion was almost impossible, I started using AAS the help recover faster and regain the muscle and strength I lost. which it worked great!........in no way did I expect this to make all my dreams come true lol. I decided to continue using it after I noticed how it also helped me on the bike with strength and recovery after long practice weeks

@shavas...my blood pressure is higher than is has been, I was also wondering if that could be a cause of why my armpump is worse. Also what is HRT? and what milder steroid would you recommend? thanks

@jimp...I too have found out that warming up real good and stretching does help alot, did you ever use AAS when racing? if so do you mind telling me what you used? thanks

I feel that Dbol gives me worse armpump and hurts my endurance more than when I take super low amount of Anadrol, I was under the oppression that maybe the higher red blood cell from anadrol might help me more if I can take a small enough amount to where I don't retain much water...seems to be working decent, but from what you guys are saying that may be causing me more problems??...... I'm all for trying something different, if it will work better. Is there anything that will still help me recover but give me less armpump?

Thanks for all your help! Im starting to really like this forum

 

[shavas]

Just to clear up a few things and to help you get a better understanding of why I first started taking AAS, I had some really bad injuries a few years ago and trying to rehab them all at once in a timely fashion was almost impossible, I started using AAS the help recover faster and regain the muscle and strength I lost. which it worked great!........in no way did I expect this to make all my dreams come true lol. I decided to continue using it after I noticed how it also helped me on the bike with strength and recovery after long practice weeks

@shavas...my blood pressure is higher than is has been, I was also wondering if that could be a cause of why my armpump is worse. Also what is HRT? and what milder steroid would you recommend? thanks

@jimp...I too have found out that warming up real good and stretching does help alot, did you ever use AAS when racing? if so do you mind telling me what you used? thanks

I feel that Dbol gives me worse armpump and hurts my endurance more than when I take super low amount of Anadrol, I was under the oppression that maybe the higher red blood cell from anadrol might help me more if I can take a small enough amount to where I don't retain much water...seems to be working decent, but from what you guys are saying that may be causing me more problems??...... I'm all for trying something different, if it will work better. Is there anything that will still help me recover but give me less armpump?

Thanks for all your help! Im starting to really like this forum

Your higher blood pressure is most likely the result of increased blood volume/fluid volume/ RBC count caused from the dbol and anadrol. These steroids cuase a lot of retention of fluid. HRT stands for hormone replacement therapy which a lot of guys here are on in which a relatively low dose of a longer acting testosterone is used to boost blood serum test levels into the higher ranges. HCG can also be used to keep the testes working and arimidex or another AI used for estrogren control if needed.

For motocross, I would think you would want to use a steroid that doesn't have much water retention like equipoise or winstrol. Id probably pick equipoise though as winstrol is known for causing sore joints. I experienced that the one time I cycled it and wouldn't do it again. Anavar is an oral which is pretty mild, low water retention but pretty expensive. If it was me I'd probably just use a low weekly dosage of testosterone cyp/enthanate like at about 150mg/ week which should give you all the strength and recovery you need for motocross with minimal water retention/increased blood pressure. Remember any cycle will shut you down and you would have to do post cycle therapy after to get you test levels back up to normal. In that time you're more likely to loss some stength and could also feel low and moody, decreased sex drive.

 

[jimp]

HRT is "Hormone replacement therapy" ie. doctor prescribe testosterone.

Yes I have used both Testosterone C and dbol when racing. I also still run a BMX bike a couple times a week. the leg and calf pumps on a BMX bike from the dbol is down right crazy sometimes.

The test alone for me dose not seem to produce the pumps I get from dbol, even when taken alone. If an injectable test is an option, you may find it still gives you the recovery and strength your looking for but not quite the pump from the dbol.

Also since your in your 20's keep in mind, old guys like me are "ON" HRT all the time. You need to be familiar with how long you can cycle, what you can use and how to do proper post cycle therapy. Other wise you may pay for it later in life.

 

[rutdipper]

Thanks for the input guys. I'll keep all that in mind.

just a couple quick questions tho. first: I heard that Dbol doesn't increase RBC count and even lowers it, which is why it hurts endurance so much...is this true?

Any other motocrosser's on here with experience with taking some kind AAS and not getting armpump?? feel free to chime in! THanks!

 

[Judo Tom]

not a motocross guy but in my sport gripping is very important and can ruin you during a tournament and we do lots of grip training, etc etc and if you dont manage pumps you will be done for or get injured.

if you are not using roids for bodybuilding the best advice I can give you is to use nice simple mild compounds first and foremost, 2nd is keep the dosage LOW, very low for bodybuilding standards. anything more will just cause problems.

it might sound crazy but try 250mg of test and 100mg of deca per week. run it for 6 weeks and see how you feel.

now on keeping pumps low you are gonna wanna drink a ton of water.. get near 1.5 gallons and see how that goes.. dont be surprised if you get above 2. supplement with calcium, mag, zinc and TAURINE. salt and potassium as well. I would look up 'homemade gatorade recipes" and make a bunch every day or a huge amount every few days.

hope that helps.. please try the low dose route if you are gonna do this.. remember you are not looking to pack on slabs of muscle..

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks for the input guys. I'll keep all that in mind.

just a couple quick questions tho. first: I heard that Dbol doesn't increase RBC count and even lowers it, which is why it hurts endurance so much...is this true?

Any other motocrosser's on here with experience with taking some kind AAS and not getting armpump?? feel free to chime in! THanks!

RBC count will go up on virtually all AAS. it is merely kidney strain. hemaglobins as well will be elevated. but high RBC count doesn't necessarily mean better endurance. research how EPO works and learn why it increases RBC but also improves endurance.. has a lot to do with oxygen and the way it works in the body. too complicated for me to sit here and explain just click on it and read the info from drug profiles to better understand. people used to blood dope before EPO came around in the mid 80's, taking blood out of their body then putting it back in. now people have oxygen chambers, and train at high altitudes to get an edge.

the AAS to avoid that give the most pumps are tren, many orals (especially dbol), and even test can give pumps.

 

[Deltoid_87]

Hey guys, new here...great site with awesome info!

I did a search a found a few motocross related questions like mine but didn't quite find the answer I was looking for.

First off I have been racing motocross most of my life, at the highest level for a few years now. I'm in my early 20's and am a small guy 5'7 160lbs. A few years ago I began taking Dbols and anadrol, the doses I take are small enough from what I've heard to probly be considered a waste, but it works for me....I'm not looking to get huge, I'm just looking for some added strength and muscle and help in recovery which so far hs been working great. But to get to my main question is I Started getting really bad arm pump. I've tried cutting even more down on my dose (which is hardly anything) and still get it. my fitness is good which is normally a big cause of arm pump and I also get plenty of time on the bike.

So basically my main question is there any way to take Dbol/Anadrol and not get arm pump? if not is there any other suggestions? I kno the simple answer is to not take anything....but considering my size I notice a big improvement in my strength and being able to muscle the bike around when needed...like when things get sketchy! Lol

Any help is appriciated!

Thanks

I used to ride motocross.. those were the days when I didn't juice.. and shit I suffered from arm pump without I can't imagine how it would be on dbol. I had a friend who juiced tho and I think it only held him back.. however that was down to what he was using. Always bloated and full of water. more size and weight won't help u in motocross it'll only effect ur agility. However if u were to use something that doesn't aromatase like var, tbol, winstrol, halo, Epi, maybe even beast, could help a lot with strength, handling the bike and definately for aggression which is good when racing mx. Personally id use a little test with some mast and halo thatd be sweeet on the track id have loads of balls! (figuratively speaking)